E36M3 #1158

Wednesday, April 11, 2001 21:10:55

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#1. Good source to buy Toyo tires online? - from Peter Chang
#2. RE: [E36M3] Hawk Brake Pad Supplier - from Roger Baker
#3. Auto-x in MA - from HYPERM3@aol.com
#4. Re: [E36M3] Good source to buy Toyo tires online? - from twisty M3
#5. WTB: used cd changer - from Mike Cornwell
#6. Buttonwillow April 21-22 - from Kit Wetzler
#7. Which direction do your rotor vents go? - from Paul Elliott
#8. Re: [E36M3] Which direction do your rotor vents go? - from John Van Houten
#9. Out of winter storage. - from TheBrinkmans@aol.com
#10. Re: [E36M3] Which direction do your rotor vents go? - from Peter Guagenti

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#1. Good source to buy Toyo tires online? - from Peter Chang
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Chang <shangpchang@yahoo.com> Subject: Good source to buy Toyo tires online? Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Hawk Brake Pad Supplier - from Roger Baker
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:03:10 -0700 From: Roger Baker <rbaker@velodyne.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Hawk Brake Pad Supplier I just picked up a set of Hawk's from them the other week. They had them all. Can't say I really love the Hawk's though. -- Roger Baker "Fadeev, Alex" <alex.fadeev@verizon.com> wrote: > Chris Brown [mailto:ChrisB@Drextec.com] wrote: > > > > TC Kline seems a bit busy these days, and I'm trying to get > > some Hawk Blues (fronts) for this weekend. Anyone have a > > suggestion of a list member or other that has 'em in stock > > and can ship today? > > Chris, > I had ordered a set of Hawk Blues a week or so ago and at that time > www.europeanracing.com had the best prices. > www.bimmerworld.com is the other usual suspect. > Someone recommended Porterfield, but they only list PF R4/R4S pads of E36 > M3s. > > alex f

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#3. Auto-x in MA - from HYPERM3@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:36:36 EDT From: HYPERM3@aol.com Subject: Auto-x in MA Hy all, Does anyone know of any auto-x races (not BMW related) in or around the area of Boston, MA Im looking for a few sites I can check out on the matter. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 97 Supercharged M3 Relocated Post Auto-x season to MA

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Good source to buy Toyo tires online? - from twisty M3
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:28:52 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Good source to buy Toyo tires online? For the most part, I think Toyos are really only available through dealers. The one online sourse that I know of is evosport.com Jonathan L. >From: Peter Chang <shangpchang@yahoo.com> > > >Thanks in advance. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#5. WTB: used cd changer - from Mike Cornwell
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Cornwell <mcornwell@yahoo.com> Subject: WTB: used cd changer I replaced my 6-Disc changer with a trunk mounted MP3 player, and sold the changer on eBay last month for $285, which is about the average selling price. -Mike > I'm in the same boat. I want to pick up a third-party changer for my > '96 rather than pay the dealer a million bucks for a changer with bmw > stamped on it. anyone have any advice? how do i tell if i have an i-bus > or an ai-bus and/or the "premium sound system" that most 3rd-party > changers apparently don't work with (i have the lux model with hk sound > -- don't know a thing about the head unit, though). anyone using an > adapter from http://www.soundgate.com/? > > i'm not averse to buying a bmw factory changer if anyone knows where to > get a reasonable deal on one... > > thanks! > > Jesse __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#6. Buttonwillow April 21-22 - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:05:43 -0700 From: "Kit Wetzler" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: Buttonwillow April 21-22 Anyone on the list going to the NASA-SoCal/Open Track HPDE on April 21-22? I'll be there. -kit, who guesses that he lied about not tracking the M3 anymore... :) 97 m3/4 with stuff

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#7. Which direction do your rotor vents go? - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:21:50 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: Which direction do your rotor vents go? I took my M3 to my service station this morning for my mechanic to mount my new Brembos from Steve, along with my new Rotex pads.....What can I say; I got lazy! Anyway, I was pleased that he charged what I consider a reasonable 1.5 hrs for the complete front job, which is half what the Dealer wanted. In addition, my guy gets $68/hr, and my dealer gets $94/hr! So, it wasnt too hard a decision. I have no problem paying $102 for new front rotors and pads. Especially when we can get the Brembos for an extremely fair $60 ea! Anyway, the job did indeed get rid of the shimmy. What was strange was that my Dealer, when I had them measure the rotors for runout a few weeks ago, claimed they were in spec. He said he felt what was happening was that when cool, as when they measured, they were indeed spec. But , under braking, they probably developed their warpage pattern, causing the shimmy. Since they did shimmy Worse after some long braking, I felt that perhaps there Might be something to this...But Id also bet a more careful measurement of both rotor surfaces on both front rotors should still have shown him something. Anyway, I have a question....Ive never changed rotors, just pads....And, I forgot to look at what direction the rotor vents were facing....Intuitively, I felt the 'swoop' of the curve of the vents should face forward, so that when moving forward, the curved vents would 'catch' the air and force it down and to the inside. However, when I picked up my car, I found that the vents were facing Backwards which at first I thought was a mistake, since I couldnt see how the air could possibly enter the rotors this way...He told me that in fact they should be facing backwards, and that he did it right.. I was hoping that when I got home, at least 1 of the 4 other M3s in my garage where I live would be home so I could check, but no go...When I got upstairs, I opened up one of my brake handbooks, and found that much to my surprise, all the pictures of cars with curved vents in their rotors had their rotors installed like mine, ie, vents facing back. On rotors with gas slots, they too were facing back, so that both vents, and slots face in the same direction...While its intuitive to me that the slots should face back , so as to 'throw' the gas backwards, it still wasnt clear why the vents would face that way....Until I examined the picture of a car with air ducts installed. From those pics, it seemed what was happening was that the air was entering the rotors near their inside center points, and flowed Outwards, following the backward sweep of the vents. All of a sudden it started to become clearer.....But just for the hell of it, could someone who still is on his original rotors take a look, and confirm which way his vents are curved? Look in the fronts, cause the rears are too hard to detect with the wheels on. Thanks.. _____________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3 <30000 mi Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift kit and Clutch Stop; Skaggs Pedals; X-brace; Sound by Kenwood Excelon, Polk, JL Audio

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Which direction do your rotor vents go? - from John Van Houten
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:43:01 -0500 From: "John Van Houten" <jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Which direction do your rotor vents go? > All of a sudden it started to become clearer.....But just for the hell of > it, could someone who still is on his original rotors take a look, and > confirm which way his vents are curved? Look in the fronts, cause the rears > are too hard to detect with the wheels on. Thanks.. They should face backwards. The Euro rotors have a L and R stamped on them and they face backwards. You explanation on your message was correct. John

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#9. Out of winter storage. - from TheBrinkmans@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:18:33 EDT From: TheBrinkmans@aol.com Subject: Out of winter storage. Drove my M3 for the first time since winter today. I forgot what a blast these cars are to drive. So well balanced and all the controls are right where they should be. Plus, with the right suspension set-up they are sooo neutral and easy to steer with the right foot. Can't wait for track days! Ken Brinkman 97 Silver M3

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Which direction do your rotor vents go? - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:03:50 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Which direction do your rotor vents go? on 4/11/01 5:29 PM, Paul Elliott at pelliott@rcn.com wrote: > However, when I picked up my car, I found that the vents were facing > Backwards which at first I thought was a mistake, since I couldnt see how > the air could possibly enter the rotors this way... I'm a creative guy, not by any stretch of the imagination an engineer, but having the vents "backwards" seems to make sense. Airflow starts at the center of the rotors, with centrifugal force spinning the air outwards. With the vanes facing backwards, the air exiting will go out in the opposite direction that rotors is spinning. That'll let the air out smoother and faster. -p

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