E36M3 #1169

Saturday, April 14, 2001 22:52:28

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#1. Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? - from Stan Shaw III
#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower - from Geof McLaughlin
#4. Auto-X technique questions - from Bora Akyol
#5. Re: [E36M3] euro transplant - from Bora Akyol
#6. Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions - from Chris Teague
#7. Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions - from Bora Akyol
#8. Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#9. Help attaching German front plate? - from Luis Veras
#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? - from Stan Shaw III
#11. Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions - from Chris Teague

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#1. Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? - from Stan Shaw III
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:42:41 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw III" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? I bought mine from http://www.bavarianautosport.com/ and it appears to be one piece. Regards, Stan Shaw Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0407 Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net http://www.excell.net/

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:05:17 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? In a message dated 4/14/01 6:42:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net writes: I bought mine from http://www.bavarianautosport.com/ and it appears to be one piece. Did you buy the one with the adjustable end links ($219.95)? This is the only one that's worth any money that BMP sells (IMO). I think the Dinan one is the same way according to BMP. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 #13 BSP 2001

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower - from Geof McLaughlin
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:38:06 -0400 From: Geof McLaughlin <gfmiiilist@usa.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? I took a look at the Bavarian Autosport catalogue and it doesn't list a *rear* strut brace. Am I missing something? Geof At 05:41 PM 4/14/01 -0500, Stan Shaw III wrote: >I bought mine from http://www.bavarianautosport.com/ and it appears to be >one piece.

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#4. Auto-X technique questions - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:49:21 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Auto-X technique questions I have two questions: 1) Long 180 degree sweeper turns: How do you take these? Today, I was turning in well, but at the end of the turn the car was plowing. Partly I am to blame (lead-foot syndrome), but other than this, anything I should do. 2) Front tire wear: I am finding out that my front tires (Bridgestone RE730s) are wearing at a much faster rate than my rears. Is this attributable to auto-Xing. I have the camber plates on now, but I only drove about 1000 miles since I had them. Also the wear seems to be even from side to side and across the tire. Thanks in advance. Bora Who's best time was hurt by stupidly hitting a cone on the slalom with the rear bumper.

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#5. Re: [E36M3] euro transplant - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:54:28 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] euro transplant Let us not forget the good old Turbo or S/C upgrades on the E36 M3. If I lived in Florida, my money would go to AA. Living here in CA, my money will probably go to Dinan or Mechtech in about a year. Bora > From: dHoleman@spooze.com > Reply-To: dHoleman@spooze.com > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:22:01 -0500 > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: [E36M3] euro transplant > > Date: 14 Apr 2001 07:13:35 -0700 > From: dHoleman@spooze.com > Subject: euro transplant > > I am chiming in a little late on this but as Seth and Dan commented there are > a lot of hidden issues with a euro motor transplant. These range from not > passing emissions to lots of hidden costs. > > Transplanting a motor means the old motor came from a wreck and you often > don't know the history. To play it safe you will have to dump some bucks not > only into the installation but you should have things inspected and replaced. > > It may take about a week to physically get the motor in but you will find that > you will be waiting weeks for various parts to come in that you need. Many > euro parts are not stocked in the US and most dealers won't order them for > you. So not only do you have to figure out what you need you have to find a > way to get the parts. > > Most motors these days are comming from contries with right hand drive. Here > is another hidden major cost. You have to convert the wiring loom as all of > the ECU and fuse connections need to be swapped to the other side. You will > have to splice and extend about 40 different wires of various gauges and them > be sure they work. Forget it - I just spent the grand and bought a left hand > harness. > > There are lots of hidden costs and headaches. If you want a track only car > that is faster than the new M3 a conversion is challenging way to go. If you > want a warrantee and you want to drive the car on the street go with a US spec > new M3. By the time you are done you will have spent more - believe me. > > You can read all about the conversion at www.racepad.com under projects. > > www.racepad.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions - from Chris Teague
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:11:18 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions #2 is due to understeer, as is #1. Since I have a car built to SCCA AS rules, I basically have the same problems. Since it sounds like you can modify the car, you probably need to start adjusting sway bars and shocks to tune out the understeer. Let me know what other mods you have made, and I can see I or others can help. I have just got a set of Koni DA's, and I have began to reduce the exit understeer. Chris 97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:51 PM Subject: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions > I have two questions: > > 1) Long 180 degree sweeper turns: How do you take these? Today, I was > turning in well, but at the end of the turn the car was plowing. Partly I am > to blame (lead-foot syndrome), but other than this, anything I should do. > > 2) Front tire wear: I am finding out that my front tires (Bridgestone > RE730s) are wearing at a much faster rate than my rears. Is this > attributable to auto-Xing. I have the camber plates on now, but I only drove > about 1000 miles since I had them. Also the wear seems to be even from side > to side and across the tire. > > Thanks in advance. > > Bora > > Who's best time was hurt by stupidly hitting a cone on the slalom with the > rear bumper. > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > >

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:21:53 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions I have Koni SA's in the front set 1.25 turns from full soft towards stiff. With the Dinan Stage III kit, I am not sure if I have understeer. Slower sharp corners are OK. Long fast sweepers are OK. It is the intermediate (2-3K rpms in 2nd gear) types of turns where I pick up a push exiting the turns. Let me know if I can play with the rebound to make this better. Bora > From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com> > Reply-To: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com> > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:11:58 -0500 > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions > > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:11:18 -0700 > From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions > > #2 is due to understeer, as is #1. > > Since I have a car built to SCCA AS rules, I basically > have the same problems. Since it sounds like you > can modify the car, you probably need to start adjusting > sway bars and shocks to tune out the understeer. Let me > know what other mods you have made, and I can see > I or others can help. I have just got a set of Koni DA's, > and I have began to reduce the exit understeer. > > Chris > 97 M3/4 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:51 PM > Subject: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions > > >> I have two questions: >> >> 1) Long 180 degree sweeper turns: How do you take these? Today, I was >> turning in well, but at the end of the turn the car was plowing. Partly I > am >> to blame (lead-foot syndrome), but other than this, anything I should do. >> >> 2) Front tire wear: I am finding out that my front tires (Bridgestone >> RE730s) are wearing at a much faster rate than my rears. Is this >> attributable to auto-Xing. I have the camber plates on now, but I only > drove >> about 1000 miles since I had them. Also the wear seems to be even from > side >> to side and across the tire. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Bora >> >> Who's best time was hurt by stupidly hitting a cone on the slalom with the >> rear bumper. >> >> >> ************************************************************* >> List Commands >> UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >> DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. >> GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). >> >> To issue a command/request to the server: >> Send a message with the command you wish executed as the >> subject of the message. >> ************************************************************* >> >> >> > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:39:04 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions In a message dated 4/14/01 9:52:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, akyol@akyol.org writes: 1) Long 180 degree sweeper turns: How do you take these? Today, I was turning in well, but at the end of the turn the car was plowing. Partly I am to blame (lead-foot syndrome), but other than this, anything I should do. Bora, Have you had any experience driving a skidpad (360 degree) circle. As you enter and build speed, g-forces try to force the car away from a tight circle. There comes a point as your speed increases that understeer comes on. Now what you must do is counter intuitive, but make small steering corrections away from the circle, then back, and continue working the wheel like heck. This has something to do with slip angles, I think? You will find that you can build even more speed by doing this and it's fun. The big plus here is once mastered, you pick up big chunks of time over most competitors ;-)) At least that my take on the situation. Other experts wiser than me should chime in here. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 #13 BSP 2001

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#9. Help attaching German front plate? - from Luis Veras
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:46:32 -0300 From: "Luis Veras" <veras@tricom.net> Subject: Help attaching German front plate? I'm planning on getting authentic german front plates for my US specs '96 M3/2. Like most of our cars, in the front they have a small hinge where to place a US sized license plate (where it says BMW in black plastic). If I want to put the German front plate, should I drill this black plastic part, or is the black plastic part replaceble with one that has the wholes? The seller of the plates suggested that I use very strong double sided tape. Is this viable? Has any of you done it?

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower  brace? - from Stan Shaw III
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:51:52 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw III" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? It is on their website... http://www.bavarianautosport.com/spec1.html#3 Regards, Stan Shaw Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0407 Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net http://www.excell.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geof McLaughlin" <gfmiiilist@usa.net> To: "Stan Shaw III" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net>; "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Does anyone make 1-piece rear shock tower brace? > I took a look at the Bavarian Autosport catalogue and it doesn't list a > *rear* strut brace. Am I missing something? > > Geof > > At 05:41 PM 4/14/01 -0500, Stan Shaw III wrote: > >I bought mine from http://www.bavarianautosport.com/ and it appears to be > >one piece. >

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#11. Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions - from Chris Teague
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:44:50 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions Bora, I have found that increasing the rear rebound helps this a lot. If you increase the rear rebound too much, the car will be too "twitchy" in transient moves/corner entry. I have never got that far yet, so far my car likes lots of rear rebound. The best place I have found for handling problem solving is: http://www.wtrscca.org/tech.htm Scroll down to the solving handling problems table, then look for Corner Exit Understeer. I run my rear rebound closer to full stiff to solve this problem, and then adjust the fronts to balance the car. YMMV. You also may want to play with the toe-in/out adjustments. A little toe out in front may help. If you had the DA's, increasing the rear compression may help. Chris 97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> To: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com>; "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Auto-X technique questions > I have Koni SA's in the front set 1.25 turns from full soft towards stiff. > With the Dinan Stage III kit, I am not sure if I have understeer. > > Slower sharp corners are OK. Long fast sweepers are OK. It is the > intermediate (2-3K rpms in 2nd gear) types of turns where I pick up a push > exiting the turns. > > Let me know if I can play with the rebound to make this better. > > Bora > >

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