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#1. Survey question for San Diego Driver's School participants - from Jim Powell
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:48:29 -0700 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Survey question for San Diego Driver's School participants Hello SoCal track junkies, I have a question for you. For the past couple of years we have had the registration form for San Diego Driver's Schools available on the web. This last school we moved to online notification of registration acceptance and also online school feedback forms. The next step would be to go totally electronic. Yes, we can step solidly into the '90s here in the 21st century :) My question to you, the participants is, would you prefer to pay electronically for the school using PayPal? It would probably involve a small surcharge over writing a paper check to cover the fees PayPal charges. Sending in a paper check would still be an option and involve no extra charge. Please let me know your opinions offline. Jim
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:48:37 -0000 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer >From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> >To: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com>, "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:41:04 -0700 > >Ahmad, > >Set front swaybar to soft, rear bar to hard. Set front tire pressures to >45 >PSI, rears to 35 PSI. Front and rear set as above. Pressure is 40 on the dot (hot) both front and rears. I will try running lower pressure in the rear next time (Summit Point here I come :) Your camber angle may be a bit too extreme, are you >resetting your toe when you change the camber for track? I have Korman camber bolt (shims) with 1/16" toe out and -2.1 to -2.2 camber front. -1.9 camber with 0 toe at the rear. Ahmad PS: I miss my RX7 Twin Turbo which was much more nuetral :( > >YMMV, >Joe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> >To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 7:55 AM >Subject: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer > > >| Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:34:10 -0000 >| From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> >| Subject: Dreaded Understeer >| >| How do I remove this NASTY understeer from my 98? I am running >| 1) Camber -2.2 >| 2) 17*8 with 245 Hoosiers all around >| 3) X-Brace >| 4) RD Swaybars with front full soft and rear full stiff >| >| Its sooo annoying becuase the car wont toss around. I shot my front left >| tire at Lime Rock in 3 sessions. Yes some will say drive slower but even >| climbing up the uphill the car would understeer. It is extremely >frustrating >| and I want to neurtralize the car and have it to be a little bit more >tail >| happy so I can drift it around than just have it plow plow plow like a >pig. >| Any suggestions? >| Thanks in advance >| >| Ahmad >| 98/4 >| >| PS: for street, I have no problems its only the track where this thing is >| bothering the hell out of me. Also I run on street and a reasonable >camber >| setting needs to be used as to not kill those tires in <3000 miles. >| _________________________________________________________________ >| Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >| >| >| ************************************************************* >| List Commands >| UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >| DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. >| GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). >| >| To issue a command/request to the server: >| Send a message with the command you wish executed as the >| subject of the message. >| ************************************************************* >| >| > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Toyo Ra-1 - from twisty M3
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:41:40 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Toyo Ra-1 Try these... Still haven't ordered mine yet. =( http://www.evosport.com or email: brad@evosport.com or SOUTHERN PACIFIC DIVISION (800) 251-0017 G.T. INTERNATIONAL - JOHN NORRIS 2221 COLBY AVE WEST LOS ANGELES, CA 90064 (310) 575-4249 SOUTHEAST DIVISION Appalachian Race Tire Mike or Ted 1919 Airbase Rd. Louisville, TN 37777 (865) 681-6622 CENTRAL DIVISION VILVEN TIRE/CUT TIRE - BOB VILVEN 101 W. MAIN ROYAL, IL 61871 (217) 583-3277 >From: Michael Turgeon <turgeon1@yahoo.com> > >Hi Gruppe: > >Any input on where to get these tires in 235/40/17 >delivered this week? > >Alternatively, anyone have some Yoko A032s in very >good condition for sale, reasonable close to Chicago? > >Thanks, >Mike Turgeon >BMW CCA #166866 >95 M3 Avus > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:45:00 -0000 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer >From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> >To: Ahmad Lutfeali <m3_racer99@hotmail.com>, E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:35:43 -0700 > >This is a question: > >Are you sure you are not cooking the corners and not coming in faster than >you should? Can be the case, but exiting the Big Bend at Limerock (www.limerock.com) I tend to give gas and there is not throttle induced oversteer. The only way I can rotate the car a bit is by letting off the throttle and jerking the steering and power on but its not fun like this. Could the RD sway bar (even though on full soft) being bigger than the stock bar causing this understeer problem? Should I run stock bar front and RD full stiff in the rear? anyone doing this setup? Thanks Ahmad > >I have a 95M3 with 235/45s and similar mods to yours and my car rotates >really easily as long as I don't cook the corners (which I tend to do). > >Bora > > > > From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> > > Reply-To: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> > > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:55:57 -0500 > > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > > Subject: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer > > > > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:34:10 -0000 > > From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Dreaded Understeer > > > > How do I remove this NASTY understeer from my 98? I am running > > 1) Camber -2.2 > > 2) 17*8 with 245 Hoosiers all around > > 3) X-Brace > > 4) RD Swaybars with front full soft and rear full stiff > > > > Its sooo annoying becuase the car wont toss around. I shot my front left > > tire at Lime Rock in 3 sessions. Yes some will say drive slower but even > > climbing up the uphill the car would understeer. It is extremely >frustrating > > and I want to neurtralize the car and have it to be a little bit more >tail > > happy so I can drift it around than just have it plow plow plow like a >pig. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance > > > > Ahmad > > 98/4 > > > > PS: for street, I have no problems its only the track where this thing >is > > bothering the hell out of me. Also I run on street and a reasonable >camber > > setting needs to be used as to not kill those tires in <3000 miles. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > > > To issue a command/request to the server: > > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > > subject of the message. > > ************************************************************* > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#5. FS= UUC PEDAL SET AND DEAD PEDAL - from Altezza280TT@cs.com
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:26:09 EDT From: Altezza280TT@cs.com Subject: FS= UUC PEDAL SET AND DEAD PEDAL http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=582800 231
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:27:00 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer Ahmad, There is not much more you can do except buy a different car. You have less understeer than virtually every other E36 M3 out there. You could try a few minor things. 1) Stiffen up the rear suspension. Use a larger rear sway bar. UUC and Eibach have larger rear bars than RD. 2) Use stiffer rear springs. H&R is thought to be about the stiffest. 3) Soften up the front suspension. Use a smaller front sway bar. I think the RD front bar is 27 mm. I think UUC and Eibach are about 26 mm. Or use the stock 23 mm bar. Or even use a Dinan front bar. I think Dinan's bar is smaller than stock. 4) Use relatively soft front springs and struts. 5) You could even try to add downforce on the front end. Buy the LTW splitter and extend it all the way out for maximum effect. Do not add the LTW rear wing. 6) Do you have a rear spoiler? Take it off. Don't add any additional downforce to the rear end. 7) You could try a different differential with more lockup. The stock is only 25%. You could go to 50% or 75%. However, you may not like to hear this but probably the best solution is to slow down before the corner. Remember the saying "Slow in, Fast out" If you are destroying your front tire in 3 sessions, you are not driving correctly. There is no reason to burn up your tires that fast. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Dallas, Texas
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Questions about brakes and tire balance (Long) - from Steven Tom
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:51:50 -0700 From: Steven Tom <stom@qualcomm.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Questions about brakes and tire balance (Long) I was originally trying to get a pad that could do double duty. Hard street driving with a couple of track days and autocross's in there as well. Maybe I'm just asking too much for pads. As for OEM, everyone or most everyone hates the amount of dust generated. I think the answer to my solution is to go to with two setups, one for the street and one for the track. If anyone has found this type of pad, let me know. steve At 09:36 PM 4/20/01 -0500, Bora Akyol wrote: >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:35:15 -0700 >From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Questions about brakes and tire balance (Long) > >For the street, I don't see why anyone would not use the OEM pads. > >Yes, they do dust a lot, but I have found very good on the street and also >good on the autoX circuit. > >I trust BMW on their pad selection for the street. > >Bora
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:52:14 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer Here are a few things to do to help you solve the problem. If you dont have one yet, go get a Tire temp gauge, On a E-36 M3, you should try to get about -2.8 to -3.0 degrees of camber up front with about -2 in the rear. Also make sure that your alignment shop is a good one. I have only found 2 places that could ever do it right. Most places would do it, hand me a print out and then I would ask them to roll the car off and back on, the alignment would be way off, by alot!!! After doing several hot laps, have someone in the pits measure your pressure, you want to have about 45#s HOT then check temps. It takes about -2.9 camber for me to get even temps all way across the tire. It does change according to the track. Almost everyone I have instructed that complained of lack of turn in, just needed more front camber and sometimes a slower entrance speed into a corner. But if the car is set-up right, speed will not matter, then it is just a matter of going too fast, you will spin and not make the corner, but the car will turn in. Rule of thump, soften the end you want to have grip, stiffen to decrease grip. I think if you get more front camber, fix your tire pressures, you will find that the M3 has a degree of balance that an RX-7 never had. Mike
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:15:18 -0000 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer Lowell, thank you so much. Guess the bull's eye has been hit. I will try to run stock bar with stock rubber bushings to see how it well it goes. I have a set of Bilstein/HR and was waiting to install it because of this reason. Stock front spring rate 105 rear 335 HR Sport 200 380 The incremental gain in front stiffness offsets the rears (big time) and would not correct understeer (from my common sense not actual R&D). However, from another point of view, the front increase in spring rate and shock dampening would not put too much weight on the corner (balance it out) hence the camber I am running now would be more effiecently used because of the less weight transfer thus reducing the understeer (please correct me on this). I may have to swallow the fact that I am going in tooo hot and have to slow down entering the turns. Guess driving a car with 400 more pounds than the previous one would need some adjustment. Otherwise I love the car, its soo easy to drive that the car almost drives itself. Finetuning the suspenion and eliminating the weight would equal one great car. Ahmad 98/4 Boston, MA >From: LoweSeaton@aol.com >To: <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> >CC: <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:27:00 EDT > >Ahmad, > >There is not much more you can do except buy a different car. You have >less understeer than virtually every other E36 M3 out there. > >You could try a few minor things. >1) Stiffen up the rear suspension. Use a larger rear sway bar. UUC and >Eibach have larger rear bars than RD. >2) Use stiffer rear springs. H&R is thought to be about the stiffest. >3) Soften up the front suspension. Use a smaller front sway bar. I think >the RD front bar is 27 mm. I think UUC and Eibach are about 26 mm. Or use >the stock 23 mm bar. Or even use a Dinan front bar. I think Dinan's bar is >smaller than stock. >4) Use relatively soft front springs and struts. >5) You could even try to add downforce on the front end. Buy the LTW >splitter and extend it all the way out for maximum effect. Do not add the >LTW rear wing. >6) Do you have a rear spoiler? Take it off. Don't add any additional >downforce to the rear end. >7) You could try a different differential with more lockup. The stock is >only 25%. You could go to 50% or 75%. > >However, you may not like to hear this but probably the best solution is to >slow down before the corner. Remember the saying "Slow in, Fast out" If >you are destroying your front tire in 3 sessions, you are not driving >correctly. There is no reason to burn up your tires that fast. > >Lowell Seaton >'95 M3 >Dallas, Texas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#10. FS= M3 Embroidered trunk mat - from Altezza280TT@cs.com
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:20:26 EDT From: Altezza280TT@cs.com Subject: FS= M3 Embroidered trunk mat http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1298411&a=9631998&p=47110757&Seque nce=0& res=high