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#1. RE: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer - from =?iso-8859-1?Q?Magnus_Thom=E9?=
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:50:54 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Magnus_Thom=E9?= <magnus.thome@envox.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer I'm very surprised! My -96 M3/4 3.2 has a MK Motorsport chassie which is extremely stiff in the front and way softer in the back. I run 245 PZero-C all around on 8,5x18. With stock wheel alignment it understeered slightly in slower to mid speed corners but actually got a bit nervous in the back at high speed corners. There's no added aerodynamics on the car... Then I did the strut mount swap in the front to add more camber. Now the car has tremendous bite in turn in, no understeer at all if not pushed way way to hard. The car actually lifts the inner front wheel in turns... but gorgeously balanced all the same. MK did a good job! The only downside is some wearing of the inner edge of the front wheel LEAST busy on the track, the one mostly in the air! So, I'm more than surprised hearing about your problems. Do you have stock shocks and springs? What are the sway bars? To me it sounds you must have front/rear swaybars not matched to one another. Or mismatched front and rear shocks/springs. Very odd indeed. Just my two öre (don't have cents in Sweden ;-) /Magnus Thomé > -----Original Message----- > From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] > Sent: den 23 april 2001 16:56 > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer > > > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:34:10 -0000 > From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> > Subject: Dreaded Understeer > > How do I remove this NASTY understeer from my 98? I am running > 1) Camber -2.2 > 2) 17*8 with 245 Hoosiers all around > 3) X-Brace > 4) RD Swaybars with front full soft and rear full stiff > > Its sooo annoying becuase the car wont toss around. I shot my > front left > tire at Lime Rock in 3 sessions. Yes some will say drive > slower but even > climbing up the uphill the car would understeer. It is > extremely frustrating > and I want to neurtralize the car and have it to be a little > bit more tail > happy so I can drift it around than just have it plow plow > plow like a pig. > Any suggestions? > Thanks in advance > > Ahmad > 98/4 > > PS: for street, I have no problems its only the track where > this thing is > bothering the hell out of me. Also I run on street and a > reasonable camber > setting needs to be used as to not kill those tires in <3000 miles. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the > mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:52:38 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer I think the handling of the car has a lot to do with the "talent" level of the driver. Bora > From: "John Van Houten" <jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com> > Reply-To: "John Van Houten" <jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com> > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:45:56 -0500 > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:44:40 -0500 > From: "John Van Houten" <jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer > >> RX7s are one of the best handling cars out there. (Check out SCCA SOLO 2s) > > May want to tell Bob and Patty Tunnell that. They've been cleaning up in > SoloII/ProSolo with their 95 M3 (10 National titles) so far, and a few > victories on the National Tour this year. > > M3's don't handle too bad., me thinks... > > John > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#3. stupid heat shield - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:27:43 -0700 From: "Kit Wetzler" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: stupid heat shield I've been trying to track down a rattle for about 6 months now. I think I finally found it. one of the heat shields on the midpipe, on the kink before the car seems to be rattling around. Anyone have a fix for that, short of buying a new midpipe? Also, I seem to have lost the heater circuit on my one of my rear O2 sensors... darn. is bank 1 the one closest to the front of the car? which side of the car is the bank 1 sensor on? (passenger or driver's side, assuming a US spec left hand drive car) thanks all. -kit 97 m3/4 who had a really fun track weekend...
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#4. Alignment - from Eric Fesler
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:36:12 -0700 From: "Eric Fesler" <fesler@nsc.com> Subject: Alignment Hi all, Taking the car in for an alignment tomorrow. Can somone post recommended alignments for agressive-street/track/autocross. I have already added some front camber so I guess I just need front and rear toe and rear camber. Any of the stuff about weights in the car apreciated as well. Thanks, Eric
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#5. please delete me from the digest - from JSDONE@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:48:34 EDT From: JSDONE@aol.com Subject: please delete me from the digest
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Alignment - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:04:00 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Alignment Eric You need to figure out if the shop requires loaded or unloaded specs. Dinan specifies camber on an unloaded car with full tank of gas. On some cars BMW specifies certain weighting on the car. Bora > From: "Eric Fesler" <fesler@nsc.com> > Reply-To: "Eric Fesler" <fesler@nsc.com> > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:36:00 -0500 > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: [E36M3] Alignment > > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:36:12 -0700 > From: "Eric Fesler" <fesler@nsc.com> > Subject: Alignment > > Hi all, > Taking the car in for an alignment tomorrow. Can somone post recommended > alignments for agressive-street/track/autocross. I have already added some > front camber so I guess I just need front and rear toe and rear camber. > > Any of the stuff about weights in the car apreciated as well. > > Thanks, > Eric > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer - from Mount, Mike
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:13:23 -0700 From: "Mount, Mike" <JMMn@pge.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer I think it's the other way around. A newbie asked me what to change for the understeer he was having. My first comment was "modify your technique", I wasn't having any problems with my stock '95. I approach car mods by asking myself if Ralf Schumacher/Boris Said could drive my car faster than I could. That's an easy answer, of course they could! Ergo, work on me the driver before the car. Work on my technique (slow hands?). It's also helpful to ask a really fast instructor/club racer (Richard Biscevic, Ralf Warren, Sherman Koo, Blaine or Robyn McNutt, etc etc) to drive your car. It can be an 'eye opening' experience. Just my .02 worth Mike Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer I think the handling of the car has a lot to do with the "talent" level of the driver.
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#8. 255/40r17s - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:18:15 -0700 From: "Kit Wetzler" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: 255/40r17s Thanks for everyone who responded to my questions about fitting a Kumho 255/40r17 on my M3/4. They didn't fit at least not before me and my sledgehammer had something to say. :) My car has H&R coilovers, I'm running the kumhos on 17x8.5 stock M-contour wheels. I had to roll the rear fenders almost half an inch out... it took lots of banging on the fender lips with a 2.5lbs sledge hammer to get them to fit. They still rubbed on the inside of the wheel well, too. Sorry to those at the buttonwillow motel 6 that I might've kept up on friday night. They also rubbed in the front, on the spring perch of my H&R coilovers. I didn't notice this until the end of the weekend... had a nice groove in the sidewall, but it didn't go that deeply luckily enough. blah. But, I really do like the 255/40r17 kumhos. my last tires were the 245/40r17 BFG G-force R1As... they are good tires, but much more tricky to drive at the limit. I felt much more in control of the car with the Kumhos. The Kumhos don't hold up to abuse as well, though... the R1As stayed sticky no matter what but the Kumhos got greasy after a 6-7 hard laps (on a low 2 minute course. -kit 97 m3/4
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#9. Re: [E36M3] "M" aluminum pedals for your E30, E36, E46, E34 - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:14:33 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] "M" aluminum pedals for your E30, E36, E46, E34 In a message dated 4/23/01 5:17:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RDORFFER@CleIndians.com writes: Rob, you are obviously missing out on the "M sticker" upgrade for your pedals, they appear to add a minimum of $77.50 to the price. Yea...even the Motorsport slashes are in the wrong color order. I notice those things ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 #13 BSP 2001
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#10. Stock Brake Rotors '95 = '96+ ? - from kmcleaster@iquest.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:36:33 -0500 From: kmcleaster@iquest.net Subject: Stock Brake Rotors '95 = '96+ ? Are the stock brake rotors for '96+ M3 interchangable with a '95 M3? I did my first track event at Putnam Park this past weekend and the brakes are now making a bit of a grinding noise, but only under moderate or heavy pedal pressure. The stock pads look fine and the brakes work fine. I'm thinking that I may have a bit of rotor warpage. Looking forward to lots of advise and comments. Regards, Kevin D. McLeaster WB9HMI '95 M3 Arctic Silver