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#1. [E36M3] E46 M3 test drive report - from David Hogg
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:30:24 -0700 From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> Subject: [E36M3] E46 M3 test drive report Drove the dealer's sold, 130-mile Smurf car yesterday, and my impressions are a little different from some of last week's posts. First, out of respect for the car, I didn't redline it or abuse it, but I was frisky at times to see what was there. Regarding push, the seat of the pants speed from my E36 is calibrated just about 5mph too low for this car. One familiar corner I took by "feel" resulted in a lot of push. A glance at the speedo told me why - I went in too hot, but it didn't feel like it on my E36 M3 butt gage. On another familiar corner I noticed some push from the apex out, but I realized this baby's putting down noticeably more power than mine. THAT, you can feel. AHA! I can't apply more power to the same situation and expect zero understeer! On a steady-state exit ramp corner I use for suspension testing, this thing just stuck. (Wow! I'd like to see some numbers on this machine at Summit!) Almost dead neutral, with just a hair more understeer than my car. And the Smurf was several mph faster. To test the fancy diff, I threw it into an on-throttle 90 degree turn that puts my car into an entertaining T.I.O. slide. This thing just hooked up and fired out like a slingshot, with a hint of wheelspin. Ben's right, it needs a clutch stop and a UUC comp evo shifter. And maybe same sized tires front & back. But this thing ain't no understeering pig! The Smurf owners of this world are going to eat a lot of P-car soufflé. It's awesome! Dave Hogg '98 M3/4, Shark intake & program, AA exhaust, X-brace, 8.5" Fikse with 245 Pilot Sports all around, front & rear tower braces, UUC shifter & clutch stop
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#2. [E36M3] CAI - from Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:47:01 -0400 From: Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com Subject: [E36M3] CAI Gruppe, I was wondering, if I presently have the JC software, but would like to upgrade to the CAI, do I need to get different software? Or is the software the same regardless of the CAI? Thanks! '98 M3/2 (Sharked, ITG panel, X-brace, Euro rotors...)
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#3. PF-90s with stock rears. - from Carey Probst
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:38:03 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: PF-90s with stock rears. I'm planning to put PF-90s on the front of my M3 and my son's 325 for driving schools this summer. Will there be a problem with the stock rears? (Pagids from Steve D.) TIA, Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged Soon to be Hitched and Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Re: [Strut Braces - from Mount, Mike
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:54:38 -0700 From: "Mount, Mike" <JMMn@pge.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: [Strut Braces $660 for 3 driving school weekends? Not on the west coast, that and a bit extra cash would pay for 2. Of course here in the Golden State, we get scenic summer schools at Willow Springs (avg August temp ~ 72) Thunderhill (avg Aug ~ 75) and of course beautiful Buttonwiller (76 on a scorching hot day). Laguna Seca is quite often booked with the races. Mike ps, all temps are Celsius, not Fahrenheit -----Original Message----- From: Ron Buchalski [mailto:rbuchals@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 10:36 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: [Strut Braces Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:34:08 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Strut Braces Lew, No, I'm not suggesting that BMW M supplies "eye candy". When you're racing an M3 LTW, the strut brace probably serves to add more stiffness. But, for 98+ % of the strut braces installed on street-driven M3s, they most certainly are "eye candy". The price of a front strut brace will pay for at least two weekend driving events (LTW brace is $550 from TC Kline... http://www.tcklineracing.com/OPC/swaybars.html#anchor160615 Oh, wait...you need to add $96 for hex nuts, and don't forget about shipping and handling... so, make that $660. But I digress...) I'm willing to bet that, given two identical cars, and two identical drivers, spending $660 on three driving school weekends will allow the trained driver to turn faster lap times than spending $660 on a strut brace. Strut braces don't let untrained drivers go faster... -rb >From: "Lew Becker" <lmbeckercfls@earthlink.net> >To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >CC: <rbuchals@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [Strut Braces >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:56:21 -0700 > >I don't intend to re-open this can o'worms, but: Are suggesting that the >factory included Motorsport strut braces in the trunks of the LTW's (along >with such other go fast pieces as the dual pick-up oil pans; splitters; >etc.) for eye candy? The guys at PTG observed that any brace with a hinge >or pivot will not serve any purpose (the factory Motorsport brace has none; >JTD's has none). Steve Dinan referred to his strut brace as eye candy; >but, his has a hinge/pivot design. I can't speak to faster track or auto-x >times, but I experienced a noticeable improvement in the way my car >cornered/turned-in (97 M3 w/Dinan Bilstein Stage 3; UUC bars; JTD RSM's; >18x8.5 BBS RC's) when I installed the JTD front brace. > >Lew Becker _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************
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#5. Wheel Lift-Second attempt - from Steve Hazard
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:29:42 -0400 From: Steve Hazard <SHazard@nhboston.com> Subject: Wheel Lift-Second attempt Since we're now talking about wheel lift again... I hope these shots are viewable. The 1st one is on my H&R C/O Front Race Springs and Rear H&R Sport Springs...the 2nd one is with the rear H&R Race Springs installed....I run aTC Kline H&R C/O DA KONI suspension.......Guess which setup is faster on a the tighter Autocross courses............the one with more wheel lift? YUP! As Ron K posted being able to put power down exiting a corner ASAP is critical on most Solo II courses....Crazy huh? BUT TRUE! I've been screwing around with my M3 for 1.5 years now and I'm finally getting it dialed in right..... The 2nd Pic is with the Rear 550lb Race Springs installed........Lots of wheel hop trying to exit a 180 degree Auto X corner....but not with the 1st pic...... I can put power down with NO WHEEL HOP much sooner with the softer springs in the rear. Strange stuff ;-) Regards, Steve http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/turn.jpg http://www.boston-bmwcca.org/bimmer/2000/10/autocross-photos.asp Scroll down to find the Picture
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer - from Sean W. Smith
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:36:57 -0400 From: "Sean W. Smith" <seansmith@nc.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer Seth, My E36 M3 will lift the front inside wheel of the ground at Oak Tree Turn at VIR with only a Strut Brace and X Brace... I have pics on zing. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Seth Thomas [mailto:porsche993@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 6:16 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:10:38 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Dreaded Understeer Here is a good picture of what a stock suspension M3 looks like on the track in a turn. This is at Turn 1 @ Road Atlanta. For those that don't know this is a very fast turn in an M3. I would say between 80-95MPH at is uphill. This photo looks to be right after the apex. Notice how compressed the front left strut is. This turn is not an understeer turn unless you turn in early. That is when it becomes trouble. But I guess what I am thinking about here is how can a stock car with just bars and xbrace be able to lift the front tire in a turn? I just don't see how it can be done. I mean the only E36s that I see lift the inside wheel in a turn is a race E36 LTW with a stiff race suspension and a full rollcage. And it did not lift it that much. Anyone care to chime in on this one? One thing to ask if you are getting understeer is are you sure you are not turning in either too early or maybe even too late? To me it would be more likely early. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com www.m3power.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************
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#7. FS: 2000 M5 - from Patrick Sarne
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:37:40 -0700 From: Patrick Sarne <patrick.sarne@hoylecapital.com> Subject: FS: 2000 M5 Posting for a friend...please contact him directly. Located in San Diego, I don't know the price. Thanks for the bandwidth. 2000 BMW M5 Silverstone Metallic exterior - Silverstone Sport Interior - Aluminum Trim Park Distance Control, Extended Warranty, Lo-Jack, Dinan Performance Software 18,000 Miles Email me for photos Earl Waud = ewaud@qualcomm.com <mailto:ewaud@qualcomm.com>
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#8. Re: [E36M3] PF-90s with stock rears. - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:52:49 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] PF-90s with stock rears. I thought mixing and matching pads in the front and rear were not recommended due to different friction properties of the pads. Any comments > From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Reply-To: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:45:49 -0500 > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: [E36M3] PF-90s with stock rears. > > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:38:03 -0400 > From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Subject: PF-90s with stock rears. > > I'm planning to put PF-90s on the front of my M3 and my son's 325 for > driving schools this summer. > > Will there be a problem with the stock rears? (Pagids from Steve D.) > > TIA, > > Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters > Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged > Soon to be Hitched and Braced > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#9. Rollcage question - from Brent95M3@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:53:08 EDT From: Brent95M3@aol.com Subject: Rollcage question I have heard that if you have a rollcage in a street car that you can hit your head on the bar. Will this still happen if you have 4 point belts, race seats, and a rollcage? How dangerous is it to run a rollcage in a street driven car without a helmet? Thanks, Brent Parks
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#10. Test Message - from Frank, Mike
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:25:45 -0500 From: "Frank, Mike" <mikefrank@lucent.com> Subject: Test Message Testing