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#1. RE: [E36M3]Mushy brakes? - from Tom Tice
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:42:48 -0400 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] <e36 M3>Mushy brakes? I haven't kept up with Brake fluid technology recently (or ever for that matter), but this is the second time that I have seen ATE Super Blue referred to as a synthetic on this list. I have always associated synthetic brake fluid with silicone. So are these (Super Blue, Type 200, etc) really synthetic and not silicone based? There is absolutely NO mention of synthetic on any of the ATE Super Blue cans that I have (unless its in German). I have purposely avoided the new Valvoline brake fluid because it mentions synthetic and I assumed silicone. The cost of Super Blue isn't that bad in the grand scheme of track costs anyway - on the other hand it would handy to be able to pick up decent brake fluid on a Sunday afternoon at Wal-mart if needed. BTW, my dealer got really excited and threatened to not perform my scheduled maintenance brake fluid flush when they saw the blue fluid. They claimed that was synthetic (implying silicone) and that in addition, my warrantee on any brake components was void. I calmed them down and assured them that it was not a silicone product and was in fact made by the supplier of BMW OE brakes and finally they went about their business of servicing my car. I also had to request that they remove any reference to synthetic brake fluid from the official service record so as to avoid any future confusion on potential warrantee work. I just love knowledgeable, enthusiast dealers! Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew E. Kalman [mailto:aek@pumpkininc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:55 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] <e36 M3>Mushy brakes? > > > Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:45:16 -0700 > From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] <e36 M3>Mushy brakes? > > Re: > > >Motul 600, Super Blue, Type 200 etc. > > Another good fluid is the new Valvoline synthetic stuff -- costs > about 1/3 of Ate Super Blue, and its boiling points are only a little > bit less than Super Blues / Type 200's. > > Note that this is not a _silicone_ product, and it is DOT3 / DOT4 > compatible. > -- >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] E46 LS Blue? - from Reid Conti
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:01:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 LS Blue? AFAIK, there's only one blue on the E46 M3, and that's LS Blue, AKA Smurf Blue. I have a poster on my wall (the perfection blinked one) and the car is VERY deep flat blue (like audi's nogaro blue for the S4), but it's really just a lighting issue apparently. I've also seen posters that are halfway between nogaro blue and smurf blue. Then I've seen posters that look like the actual car. Since I think it's a lighting issue, you may have seen one in person in the "right" light that made it look like a non-smurf blue. I'm starting to like smurf blue more, but I was in love with the nogaro blue on the poster.. it was just so electric! - reid > I just read a thread on that trashrag, Bimmer.org, and there's = > something > I dont understand....I've seen two distinct versions of what is = > commonly > called Laguna Seca blue. One looks similar to avus blue, or even to > that blue that the early S4s would come in...But the second is the one > I've known as Smurf Blue, ie, a much more washed out, pale version of > the former...People have said its due to the way different digital > cameras are catching the light, etc, etc.....But if I'm not mistaken, I > saw one at a distance on the road the other day, and it too, looked = > like > the darker S4 blue, and not the awful Smurf blue I've seen pictures = > of.. > =20 > So, does anybody know, is this simply a byproduct of the digital camera > revolution, or, has anybody seen in person this difference I've seen > pictorially?
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Brake Pad Selection - from Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:35:08 -0400 From: Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Brake Pad Selection Steve said: "It's almost coming to an end. I've narrowed my choices to either Porterfield R4S or Hawk HP+. Any input on these would be much appreciated. I plan on doing a couple of track days and some autox. Has anyone ever had these at the track? How do they perform? Fade? I've heard from a couple of people that use the R4S and they said that they like them quite a bit. I wouldn't mind any other input." Steve, I put the R4S and Euro on my M3 and have been very happy with the results. Call Porterfield at (800) 537-6842 and ask for the E36 M3 list discount. While you're in there, you might as well upgrade to Euro floating rotors. Alexander BMW (800-800-6425) has them for $107, which is the best price I could find. Get a couple of rotor set screws while you at it, just in case the old ones break coming off. The R4S pads will squeak a little, so make sure you use a fair out of anti-squeal on the backside of the pads. They are substantially more fade resistance and only give up a little bit of cold-bite compared to the stock pads. Much more linear though, which helps modulation. Some warn they won't hold up on the track too well. I use mine for the street and autocross, and they're great. Colin '98 M3 (JC, ITG, X, R4S, Euro...)
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#4. M3 Pictures..... - from Ben C. Tickner
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:47:47 -0700 From: "Ben C. Tickner" <ben@infofusion.com> Subject: M3 Pictures..... Wow , Thanks for the help everyone. I am getting lots of pics. I am going to create a really cool screensaver with everyones pictures from the list as well as the website (I have m-p-o-w-e-r.com and b-m-w-m-p-o-w-e-r.com). Let me know if anyone has any ideas or requests. I still need more pictures and if any one has a list of available colors and years that colors were available, that would be great. I am also going to try and collect all tech info and tips and put them in one place. The site will feature an area for each m-series. ben- 95M3/2
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#5. closing the box - from Jonathan Evans
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:19:34 -0400 From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: 'closing the box' Any suggestions for a brand of front strut tower brace? I'd prefer the non-hinged, as that seems to make my engineering side happy. I'd like an upstairs neighbor for my soon to be installed x brace. 95, so no ASC-T fancy shmancy stuff. I'd prefer the ///M LTW one, but talk of $100 nuts scares me. Where can I buy one besides TC Kline? At the stealer?? I liked the TCKline "strut dynamics" page. Thanks Jonathan 95 M3 avoiding work this morning.
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#6. New rear tires every 7k miles - from Jonathan Evans
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:13:18 -0400 From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: New rear tires every 7k miles With all the tire talk I was wondering how often they replace the rear tires. I have put RE71 and they disappeared in 6k miles. The RE730 have nearly gone after 7k miles. One autocross on the first set and one track day on the second. FWIW, the RE730 have help up a little better. With statements like "I got 25k miles out of brand X tires" posted, I feel I'm getting shafted somehow. I'm willing to buy tires twice as expensive if they last twice as long. Staggered setup, no rotating. Fronts last a LOT longer. Perfectly even wear on the rears. Thanks Jonathan 95 M3, LTW wheels, soon to be X braced.
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#7. Re: [E36M3] closing the box - from Carey Probst
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:39:09 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] closing the box Various places carry them. check hmsmotorsports.com bavauto.com turnermotorsports.com motorworks.com (Rockey Mountain) ultimategarage.com (maybe) All are reputable suppliers and I've dealt with each. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged Soon to be Hitched and Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: [E36M3] closing the box > Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:19:34 -0400 > From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> > Subject: 'closing the box' > > Any suggestions for a brand of front strut tower brace? I'd prefer the > non-hinged, as that seems to make my engineering side happy. I'd like an > upstairs neighbor for my soon to be installed x brace. 95, so no ASC-T > fancy shmancy stuff. > > > I'd prefer the ///M LTW one, but talk of $100 nuts scares me. Where can I > buy one besides TC Kline? At the stealer?? I liked the TCKline "strut > dynamics" page. > > > Thanks > Jonathan > 95 M3 > avoiding work this morning. > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > >
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#8. Floor Garage Jacks - from S Lafredo
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: S Lafredo <slafredo@yahoo.com> Subject: Floor Garage Jacks Group, I am in need of a floor jack for the garage. Requirements: - I need a jack which will allow me to SAFELY put the M3 up on 4 jack stands. - According to BMW the new M3 weighs slightly less than 3200 lbs The Lincoln mentioned at Ron's site is NLA. http://www.unofficialbmw.com/all/tools/all_hydraulic_jack.html Though in my conversation w/A&I, they felt Lincoln _may_ consider producing the jack again b/c of the poor reception to the Taiwan version. Then I decided to take a peak at race jacks. So I hoped over to Long Acre http://www.longacreracing.com/ Thinking about this jack... http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=158&catid=6 Once I learned that the above jack was just a private labeled Brunnhoelzl... http://www.Brunnhoelzl.com/ I then gave Brunnhoelzl a call. According the the person I spoke w/the jack mentioned above is only a 1 TON jack and he said he would rather that I not buy the jack b/c he felt it was not safe and that if I really wanted one I should purchase the 2 TON version, http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=161&catid=6, which is way more money. This is also confirmed in their instructions... http://www.longacreracing.com/instructions/inst.asp?instid=6 - Jacks are designed for race cars only. Jack capacity is 2000LBS. So, I took a quick hope over to Griot's Garage... http://www.griotsgarage.com/ Where I learned that they offer a nice 1 TON jack. I gave them a call, expressing my concerns about lifting the car and the sales associate felt it would work fine. Is a 1 TON jack safe for lifting our cars onto 4 jack stands? Any opinions? Experiences? Thanks! S __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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#9. RE: [E36M3]Mushy brakes? - from Mel Silva
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:22:43 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] <e36 M3>Mushy brakes? If you use Motul 600, you wouldn't have this problem because it doesn't have any strange color to it. Nobody, including the dealer would be the wiser and you would have a superior brake fluid in the system. I usually buy it by the case for around $120, but I GAVE away all my Motul to the friend who bought my open-track Mustang. Dopey me. Mel -----Original Message----- From: Tom Tice [mailto:tetice@triad.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:15 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] <e36 M3>Mushy brakes? Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:42:48 -0400 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] <e36 M3>Mushy brakes? I haven't kept up with Brake fluid technology recently (or ever for that matter), but this is the second time that I have seen ATE Super Blue referred to as a synthetic on this list. I have always associated synthetic brake fluid with silicone. So are these (Super Blue, Type 200, etc) really synthetic and not silicone based? There is absolutely NO mention of synthetic on any of the ATE Super Blue cans that I have (unless its in German). I have purposely avoided the new Valvoline brake fluid because it mentions synthetic and I assumed silicone. The cost of Super Blue isn't that bad in the grand scheme of track costs anyway - on the other hand it would handy to be able to pick up decent brake fluid on a Sunday afternoon at Wal-mart if needed. BTW, my dealer got really excited and threatened to not perform my scheduled maintenance brake fluid flush when they saw the blue fluid. They claimed that was synthetic (implying silicone) and that in addition, my warrantee on any brake components was void. I calmed them down and assured them that it was not a silicone product and was in fact made by the supplier of BMW OE brakes and finally they went about their business of servicing my car. I also had to request that they remove any reference to synthetic brake fluid from the official service record so as to avoid any future confusion on potential warrantee work. I just love knowledgeable, enthusiast dealers! Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew E. Kalman [mailto:aek@pumpkininc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:55 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] <e36 M3>Mushy brakes? > > > Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:45:16 -0700 > From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] <e36 M3>Mushy brakes? > > Re: > > >Motul 600, Super Blue, Type 200 etc. > > Another good fluid is the new Valvoline synthetic stuff -- costs > about 1/3 of Ate Super Blue, and its boiling points are only a little > bit less than Super Blues / Type 200's. > > Note that this is not a _silicone_ product, and it is DOT3 / DOT4 > compatible. > -- > ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Floor Garage Jacks - from Mel Silva
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:40:52 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Floor Garage Jacks Uh, I'm showing my grass roots here, but I have used one of these http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=4172 for over ten years to left up everything from my Mustang to A Ford Exploder (wife's car) without a problem AND, AND... it only cost me $60 and came with the o-rings and stuff to do a full rebuild of the cylinder. I never have used it in 10 years though. I have used this thing for everything from building my own car trailer to removal and installation of my transmission (about a dozen times to date, ACK!). As an added bonus, of all the jack stands I have ever used, I liked the Allied brand that Harbor Freight sells the best. They seem to have more bite on the pawl and they have less slop in the extension sleeve. Plus, you probably have a Harbor Freight Outlet in your city and you can go pick it up. But, I warn you, if you go in there expect to walk out with more than a floor jack. There are so many cool little tools that you wont be able to live without. I go there to stock up on wire brushes alone. Have fun, and don't break the bank. Mel -----Original Message----- From: S Lafredo [mailto:slafredo@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:15 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Floor Garage Jacks Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: S Lafredo <slafredo@yahoo.com> Subject: Floor Garage Jacks Group, I am in need of a floor jack for the garage. Requirements: - I need a jack which will allow me to SAFELY put the M3 up on 4 jack stands. - According to BMW the new M3 weighs slightly less than 3200 lbs The Lincoln mentioned at Ron's site is NLA. http://www.unofficialbmw.com/all/tools/all_hydraulic_jack.html Though in my conversation w/A&I, they felt Lincoln _may_ consider producing the jack again b/c of the poor reception to the Taiwan version. Then I decided to take a peak at race jacks. So I hoped over to Long Acre http://www.longacreracing.com/ Thinking about this jack... http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=158&catid=6 Once I learned that the above jack was just a private labeled Brunnhoelzl... http://www.Brunnhoelzl.com/ I then gave Brunnhoelzl a call. According the the person I spoke w/the jack mentioned above is only a 1 TON jack and he said he would rather that I not buy the jack b/c he felt it was not safe and that if I really wanted one I should purchase the 2 TON version, http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=161&catid=6, which is way more money. This is also confirmed in their instructions... http://www.longacreracing.com/instructions/inst.asp?instid=6 - Jacks are designed for race cars only. Jack capacity is 2000LBS. So, I took a quick hope over to Griot's Garage... http://www.griotsgarage.com/ Where I learned that they offer a nice 1 TON jack. I gave them a call, expressing my concerns about lifting the car and the sales associate felt it would work fine. Is a 1 TON jack safe for lifting our cars onto 4 jack stands? Any opinions? Experiences? Thanks! S __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Floor Garage Jacks - from Carey Probst
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:43:52 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Floor Garage Jacks I have 2 jacks I use regularly, 1 2 1/4 ton floor jack and a portable 2 ton floor I take to track events. Neither is a fancy brand name and both work fine to lift the car to change a wheel or 2 or put on stands. As long as you are lifting and putting on stands I don't think it's critical to have a hyper expensive jack. Even with the expensive ones I wouldn't get under without stands. With the 1 ton, you may want to lift 1 corner at a time to put on stands rather than the end of the car. IMO, the only thing you get from the big expensive jacks is stability(possibly, my cheapo is very good) and possibly a longer jack body to get under the lower car. Mine fits fine under the front of the '99 M3. I'd be more concerned about the quality of the jack stands than the jack. If you aren't working on tires/wheels/brakes, think about a ramp. I bought a nice set of ramps and replaced the inclines with 8 foot long 2x10s with supports every 2 feet to get under the front since it wouldn't clear the regular ramps. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged Soon to be Hitched and Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Lafredo" <slafredo@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: [E36M3] Floor Garage Jacks > Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: S Lafredo <slafredo@yahoo.com> > Subject: Floor Garage Jacks > > Group, > > I am in need of a floor jack for the garage. > > Requirements: > - I need a jack which will allow me to SAFELY put the M3 up on 4 jack > stands. > - According to BMW the new M3 weighs slightly less than 3200 lbs >