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#1. RE: [E36M3] Inspection II pricing - from Tom Tice
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:57:10 -0400 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Inspection II pricing FWIW, around $625 is what the dealer here quotes for an Ins. II. Interestingly enough, when I had my Ins. II, I was only at about 35K miles so it was on BMW. The amount that the dealer charged BMW in this case was in the neighborhood of $350. Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 > > I just scheduled my first InspectionII for my '98 M3/4. I was quoted a > price of $638.46. How does this compare to anyone else's > experience in the > midwest area (I live in Columbus, OH)? > > Also, recently it appears that the shielding on my cat is > rattling at idle. > I'm assuming if the cat needs to be replaced that it would be > covered under > the emissions warranty. Has anyone experienced this issue, and the > cooresponding warranty issue? > > Thanks! > > --Sean > '98 M3/4
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#2. RE: [E36M3] extending life of PF90 pads - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:57:53 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jbassett@geysernetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] extending life of PF90 pads > > I called Porterfield and they are sold out of PF90s, which have been > > discontinued. They are now recommending the PF97--anyone > used these? > > Different? Better? > > Interesting news. Sure hope the new compound is at least as good. I'll let everybody know how they work later this month. I ordered a set of fronts, and will be running them on the car for 3 days at Laguna Seca (25th, 26th, 27th). The PF97s are supposed to be very similar to the PF90s, with a bit better cold bite performance. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Control arm bushings - from Tom Tice
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:07:22 -0400 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Control arm bushings Assuming that you are talking about the rear control arms, a great compromise is the Ground Control bushing reinforcements. They have no noticable effect on ride quality and from the looks of it this would be the last time you would ever have bushing failures. These are rather simple in that they essentially eliminate the lateral motion that over time rips the stock rubber bushings. I stand to gain nothing from this recommendation - just a satisfied customer. Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juan Carlos Bruce-Novoa [mailto:jbruce@stanford.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:54 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Control arm bushings > > > Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:53:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: Juan Carlos Bruce-Novoa <jbruce@stanford.edu> > Subject: Control arm bushings > > I know this issue has probably been beat to death but I need to figure out > what parts to replace my worn out control arm bushings with. I definitely > need more heavy duty parts than the stock '95 bushings. These wore out > a little over a year ago at 69k and now they are worn out again 15k later > at 84k. Just to give you background I run about 5-6 drivers schools a > year plus relatively smooth street driving in the south bay. I have H&R > coilovers and street tires (S02s) on the track. Has anyone else had the > bushings wear out this quickly? > > What should I go with? later E36 M3 4dr bushings? E46 bushings? TC kline > spherical ball joint bushings (now only $399)? Is the ride really that > terrible with these things? > > Juan Bruce > BMW CCA GGC > '95 M3 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] re: stripes on leather - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:30:39 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] re: stripes on leather In a message dated 5/16/01 2:55:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fourfa@mindspring.com writes: due to the M stripes not being on the >seatbacks, but instead on the headrests (I don't know if this affected any >'97s or not). I'm not sure if this was a sedan only thing, or affected >coupes as well. Well my 97 Luxo coupe (10/96 make date) has no stripes on the seatbacks or headrests and I did not get a credit. Always thought that was odd, am I entitled to at least headrests with stripes??? This would jazz up the inside some more ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 #13 BSP 2001
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#5. Rear camber - how much is too much? - from Rob
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:52:56 -0600 From: "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com> Subject: Rear camber - how much is too much? Just got my car back from getting a pre-track alignment and the front came out great with almost 0 toe and -2.5 camber. The rear however is also set to -2.5 camber which I think may be too much. Is it possible to have too much rear negative camber, at least in terms of cornering grip?. BTW, the car has stiff coil-overs and RD sway bars. TIA, Rob
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#6. RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value - from dahermann@alum.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dahermann@alum.mit.edu Subject: RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value Mel Silva wrote: >"trade-in" value for your car. Real world values, or what you can get >someone to pay for "your baby" are somewhere in between. I believe that due >to the fact that the E46 platform does not have an "M" version to offer that >the E36 M cars are appreciating, if only by a slight margin. That's my >$0.02. Try Kellie Blue Book http://www.kbb.com/ and N.A.D.A. >http://www2.nadaguides.com/ mel, i would have to disagree. i've seen M3 prices fall dramatically in the last 6-9 months. i would imagine that the introduction of the E46 M3 has something to do with that, but i can't say for sure. i see lots of enthusiasts with unrealistic expectations of what they can get for their cars. often, the prices come down 10-20% before the car is sold. as much as i would like to think my car is appreciating in value, it's closer to following the rule of thumb for auto depreciation -- 50% loss in value every four years. from what i've seen, KBB and NADA aren't even close to reality for the M3. the only caveat i would add is that prices seem to vary dramatically by region as well. in any case, i have to just consider it the cost of driving a fantastic car. regards, dan 88 325is 96 M3
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#7. RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value - from Dave Spragg
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:35:49 -0400 From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value I agree with the sudden depreciation in recent months but now prices are climbing back to where they were again and quickly. The way it works out a similarly equipped E46 M3 usually costs about $8-9K more than an E36 M3 would have cost in 1999. And I think it's worth that much more but when faced with the reality of a $35K used car with 40K miles of factory warrantee left or a new car (if you can get one) with 90 more hp for $52K for instance... Many times a buyer for one is not a buyer for the other, the price disparity is too large. When the story was that the E46M3 would have all the goodies included for $45-46K I thought my car had lost a chunk of value but now I don't think so. Not that I think it has appreciated in ANY way since I bought it. I know 11 folks who have sold or bought M3's in the past 7 months and prices are back to where they were a year or so ago minus standard depreciation they were getting hit for... if that makes any sense at all. :) If I sell my M3 it will be to get a MUCH cheaper street car to help pay for racing sickness that has overcome me... so I ain't selling! (if you dig my drift) It's great fun to get out of the track car and into the stock 99 (shark intake only) and enjoy the wonderful combo do it all car BMW built for me... and I don't have to wear a kidney belt in Boston. ;) Dave Spragg dave@spragg.com Natick, MA 99 M3 Sharked 92 330is Sharked and Supercharged -----Original Message----- From: dahermann@alum.mit.edu [mailto:dahermann@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:04 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dahermann@alum.mit.edu Subject: RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value Mel Silva wrote: >"trade-in" value for your car. Real world values, or what you can get >someone to pay for "your baby" are somewhere in between. I believe that due >to the fact that the E46 platform does not have an "M" version to offer that >the E36 M cars are appreciating, if only by a slight margin. That's my >$0.02. Try Kellie Blue Book http://www.kbb.com/ and N.A.D.A. >http://www2.nadaguides.com/ mel, i would have to disagree. i've seen M3 prices fall dramatically in the last 6-9 months. i would imagine that the introduction of the E46 M3 has something to do with that, but i can't say for sure. i see lots of enthusiasts with unrealistic expectations of what they can get for their cars. often, the prices come down 10-20% before the car is sold. as much as i would like to think my car is appreciating in value, it's closer to following the rule of thumb for auto depreciation -- 50% loss in value every four years. from what i've seen, KBB and NADA aren't even close to reality for the M3. the only caveat i would add is that prices seem to vary dramatically by region as well. in any case, i have to just consider it the cost of driving a fantastic car. regards, dan 88 325is 96 M3 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************
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#8. RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value - from Mel Silva
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:38:22 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value Oops! I meant that the E46 platform does not have an "M" version with 4 doors so the 4dr M3's have appreciated slightly. D'oh! BTW. Since I just bought an M3 I ran these numbers on both KBB and NADA for my options and mileage on my '97. I paid around $1000 over the "Trade-In" value as listed on both of these sites. Which, I'll grant you, is MUCH lower than the "Retail" figures. The numbers are not that far fetched, for my geographic area anyway. I just suggested you use them as a baseline. Anyway, have fun, Mel -----Original Message----- From: dahermann@alum.mit.edu [mailto:dahermann@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:04 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dahermann@alum.mit.edu Subject: RE: [E36M3] 98 M3 value Mel Silva wrote: >"trade-in" value for your car. Real world values, or what you can get >someone to pay for "your baby" are somewhere in between. I believe that due >to the fact that the E46 platform does not have an "M" version to offer that >the E36 M cars are appreciating, if only by a slight margin. That's my >$0.02. Try Kellie Blue Book http://www.kbb.com/ and N.A.D.A. >http://www2.nadaguides.com/ mel, i would have to disagree. i've seen M3 prices fall dramatically in the last 6-9 months. i would imagine that the introduction of the E46 M3 has something to do with that, but i can't say for sure. i see lots of enthusiasts with unrealistic expectations of what they can get for their cars. often, the prices come down 10-20% before the car is sold. as much as i would like to think my car is appreciating in value, it's closer to following the rule of thumb for auto depreciation -- 50% loss in value every four years. from what i've seen, KBB and NADA aren't even close to reality for the M3. the only caveat i would add is that prices seem to vary dramatically by region as well. in any case, i have to just consider it the cost of driving a fantastic car. regards, dan 88 325is 96 M3
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#9. Camber vs. Toe Question - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:58:38 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Camber vs. Toe Question Hi All. I was wondering how large negative camber affects toe (F & R). I was thinking that as you increase front camber, you probably want to reduce front toe. Rear toe can probably be considered independent of camber. I ask because my LWT has -3.5 up front and is maxxed out (?!?) at -1.0 in the rear, and I get really weird wear patterns, especially on the fronts -- it's like the inner 2/3rd of the tire are wearing just due to camber (i.e it's worn most on the inner edge, and rises up to little wear 2/3's of the way to the outside), and then it "falls off" down to the wear bars on the outer edge. I suspect my toe settings are wrong, but I can't confirm it. If anyone knows about this stuff in depth, I'd love to hear it -- thanks. -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com
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#10. Key found at April San Diego Auto-x - from Jim Powell
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:27:06 -0700 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Key found at April San Diego Auto-x One more time before I toss it... A small brass colored key was found at the San Diego auto-x. The blade is about 1" long. The head of the key has a brown rubber edge around it. One side is imprinted Hudson. The other side is imprinted with the number 8471. It was loose, not on a keyring. If it is yours, contact me. I will be tossing it within a week. Jim Powell