E36M3 #1339

Friday, June 01, 2001 17:00:43

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#1. [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Margaret Cheng
#2. euro motor vs. supercharger - from Marc.S.Edwards@QuestDiagnostics.com
#3. Re: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Donna Seeley
#4. Re: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Andrej Dolenc
#5. Bilsteins - from Bob Stommel
#6. RE: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Seth Thomas
#7. Re: Bilsteins, bumpstops, harsh, harsh, harsh, bouncy, bouncy, - from Mark Kelly
#8. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Saved!! - from twisty M3
#9. Re: [E36M3] Bilsteins, bumpstops, harsh, harsh, harsh, bouncy, bouncy - from Wen Liew
#10. Unsprung weight of Macpherson strut -inserts- from Jay Morris - from TFRM3@aol.com
#11. shocks - from Kit Wetzler
#12. RE: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Jim Bassett
#13. Bilstein Sports - from ERogers005@aol.com
#14. Latest on Laguna, err... Mazda Raceway - from Mel Silva
#15. Re: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Rich Gay
#16. 4%? Bad Math Day, try 0.4% (Jay Morris) - from TFRM3@aol.com
#17. FS: Koni SA Shocks/Struts for E36 3-Series - from peter@guagenti.com

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#1. [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Margaret Cheng
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Date: 01 Jun 2001 08:07:41 -0700 From: Margaret Cheng <Margaret.Cheng@kp.org> Subject: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench Hi, all. I am toying with the idea of buying a cordless impact wrench. I would like it to have enough power to loosen something torqued to 80-85 ft/lbs, (caliper bolts, etc.) Anybody have any recommendations? Thanks. Margaret 97 M3/4, white, debadged for stealth = )

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#2. euro motor vs. supercharger - from Marc.S.Edwards@QuestDiagnostics.com
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:13:35 -0700 From: Marc.S.Edwards@QuestDiagnostics.com Subject: euro motor vs. supercharger Rich; You also have to consider what you have at the end of the day: If you swap the US motor for a Euro motor you do have to sell the US motor. That will help as long as there are buyers out there (that overrev ;-(( With a Euro motor car if you ever want to sell it you have to find a true enthusiast that really wants a motor that is not sold in the US, not serviced in the US, and has additional maintenance associated with it (valve adjustments, yes??). And, if you are selling it to someone from a smog state then they may not be interested in managing that situation if they have to explain something to someone. With a SC, you can buy the kit, bolt it on, enjoy the effects. Then, when it comes time to sell the car, unbolt the SC and you are back to stock configuration and can sell the car as stock configuration for probably exactly what you would get if it had a euro motor in it. Then, you can also sell the SC for a fraction of what you bought it for, but nonetheless, someone will probably buy it. My .02$ Marc 1995 M3LTW stock US motor with "stock" JimC enhancements

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Donna Seeley
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:26:29 -0800 From: Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench Margaret, Spring for the Snap-On! You won't know how you lived without it. Donna ------- 88 M3, "Guido," #41 JP 95 330isA, super-commuter > > Date: 01 Jun 2001 08:07:41 -0700 > From: Margaret Cheng <Margaret.Cheng@kp.org> > Subject: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench > > Hi, all. > > I am toying with the idea of buying a cordless impact wrench. > I would like it to have enough power to loosen something > torqued to 80-85 ft/lbs, (caliper bolts, etc.) > > Anybody have any recommendations? > > Thanks. > Margaret > 97 M3/4, white, debadged for stealth = ) >

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:29:45 -0500 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench Margaret Cheng writes: > Hi, all. > I am toying with the idea of buying a cordless impact wrench. > I would like it to have enough power to loosen something > torqued to 80-85 ft/lbs, (caliper bolts, etc.) > Anybody have any recommendations? > Thanks. > Margaret > 97 M3/4, white, debadged for stealth = ) No personal experience with it, but I have been toying with getting this impact wrench: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=36175 I'm not 100% positive, but I think somebody on the list a long while back did use one and was able to get it to remove lug bolts. Andrej '97 M3

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#5. Bilsteins - from Bob Stommel
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:36:16 -0500 From: Bob Stommel <rstommel@iquest.net> Subject: Bilsteins I've used Bilstein Sports on three E36 M3s and one E30 M3 for everything from street to driving schools to racing. I have also used Koni single-adjustables on both model M3s. The problem with Bilsteins is not the internal bump stops. The harsh ride is caused by the stiff "bump" compression set by the factory. This is one of the things that can be done when Bilsteins are "re-valved" for the street -- soften the bump setting. The Konis come from the factory with softer bump settings. The hardest bump setting on a standard Koni double-adjustable is still slightly softer than the stock Bilstein Sport. So, if you don't like the "harsh" ride of an off-the-shelf Bilstein, get it revalved. Or choose the Konis. But keep in mind that for track use, depending on the smoothness of track surface and car setup, the stiffer bump setting of the Bilstein will actually give you better performance. HTH, Bob Stommel Indianapolis

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#6. RE: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:58:29 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench I have used the Snap On and love it. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com

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#7. Re: Bilsteins, bumpstops, harsh, harsh, harsh, bouncy, bouncy, - from Mark Kelly
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:03:00 -0400 From: Mark Kelly <mark@garden.net> Subject: Re: Bilsteins, bumpstops, harsh, harsh, harsh, bouncy, bouncy, bouncy Gang, I totally agree with John..although this in only my opinion on the matter, and I'm not an expert. Different people may be completely happy with the Bilsteins. I think that the Koni street ride is less "stiff" or "hyper" feeling than the Bilsteins...but I think the initial turn-in and steering feel of the Bilsteins is better (maybe because the "bump" valving is firmer in the Bilsteins?). I also agree with Lowell in that I think the Bilsteins are a higher quality product, for the money. I'm not saying the internal guts are better, as I don't really know about that, just that the packaging, finish and overall appearance of the Bilsteins is superior. Not to mention cutting open shocks to insert dampers is kind-of a pain..especially when Koni could build them complete like Bilstein if they wanted to. The Bilsteins come with new boots, bumpstops, and hardware front and rear. The Konis come..well, let's just say "some assembly is required". : ) Cutting the internal front bumpstops on the Bilsteins is a bear. The bottom of the shaft screw is kinda soft, and (as I later learned) heating it first to release the locktight helps. I also had to custom make a "tool" by taking a large-type screwdriver and grind down the blade to make it even wider and stronger. I deformed the blade on two screwdrivers before I decided to grind them. I bent the first one, and decided to try another one from a different maker. (both screwdrivers were made by the most expensive tool makers out there). Basically, you need lost of carefully applied torque. Leaving the nut on the shaft helps too. There is just too many options out there, and I don't have enough money or patience to try them all. I would really like to drive a bunch of other cars, like John did, and then compare before I jump into the water. John, how were the GC coilovers? mark >-------------------- 6 -------------------- >Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:38:44 -0700 (PDT) >From: John Bergstrom <john0990@yahoo.com> >Subject: Bilsteins, bumpstops, harsh, harsh, harsh, bouncy, bouncy, bouncy > > >>>>I later installed HR Bilsteins (with trimmed bumpstops), which raised up >the car about .5" and was initially happy with the way the car performed under >most conditions....except on the highway, where the car seemed too "bouncy" at >speed, particularly in the rear. I frequently hit bumps in the >road (Hoboken, >NJ) that would bottomed out the front suspension.<<<< > >OK, I just have to chime in here. I have been researching this. I had posted >to the list a month or so ago asking if anyone had reached the same >conclusions >as me, that the Bilstein / H&R 29910 setup was great on track, but really >sucks >crap on the street in terms of harshness and overly-quick reacting ("bouncy"). > >Since then, I have driven the following setups: > >Bilstein (bumpstops not trimmed) / H&R 29910 / Eibach sways >Bilstein (bumpstops not trimmed) / stock springs / RD sways >Bilstein (bumpstops not trimmed) / Dinan springs / stock sways >Koni SA / Eibach Prokit springs / Eibach sways >Ground Control coilovers: Koni DA / Eibach springs / Eibach sways > >The summary is, any car I have driven with the Bilstein sport shocks is HARSH >AND BOUNCY. That's the bottom line. However, I have spoken with Turner >Motorsport and 911 Enterprises (dealer for Bilstein's) regarding trimming the >bump stops and they both insist that unless you go much lower (H&R race >springs, for example) you are NOT going to hit the bump stops. > >Am I saying that Lowell is wrong? I don't know. But this is getting really >confusing. But the "data" that I have acculumated (particularly that I have >driven a car with Bilsteins/stock springs and it was still HARSH and BOUNCY) >suggests that trimming the bump stops WILL NOT HELP. > >Both cars that I drove with the Koni's . . . . street ride is >BEAUTIFUL. NEAR >OR BETTER THAN STOCK ON THE STREET. I did not drive these on track, so I >can't >compare the performance difference. > >I am seriously considering going to a Koni SA / Eibach Prokit setup. > >Anyone have Dinan's number? I agree with Mark, I have just about given up >trying to figure this out. > >John >'95 M3

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Saved!! - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:20:02 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Saved!! >From: "Wen Liew" <wwliew@hotmail.com> > >Yes, a year ago, I inquired and Bilstein San Diego would revalve shocks >for, >IIRC, $100 each and trim bumpstops for $25. Problem is, what would you >revalve it to? You couldn't just specify to Bilstein what springs/rates you'll be running and they could adjust accordingly? >Or a better deal would be >Bilsteins Coilover PSS or PSS-9 kits, which are on sale till 7/15 for $899 >and $1299, respectively. > They don't have them made specifically for M3s though, do they? Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Bilsteins, bumpstops, harsh, harsh, harsh, bouncy, bouncy - from Wen Liew
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:03:14 -0700 From: "Wen Liew" <wwliew@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Bilsteins, bumpstops, harsh, harsh, harsh, bouncy, bouncy >From: John Bergstrom <john0990@yahoo.com> > >The summary is, any car I have driven with the Bilstein sport shocks is >HARSH >AND BOUNCY. I'm no expert but I dusted off my "How To Make A Car Handle Better" by Puhn and quickly read the spring and shock section. According to Puhn, the rebound rate of the shock determines how quickly the spring will get back to it's original uncompressed length. The larger the rebound rate, the quicker the spring will get back to its original length. So, I compared the rebound rate for the rear Bilstein Sports with their PSS-9 kit. 1,855Nm vs a range of 1,200Nm and 1,600Nm. So, the Bilstein Sports gets the springs back or "react" quicker. Is this why many of us feel the bouncy ride at the rear when we ride on less smooth roads? I'm sure it is not as simple as that since shock compression rates, spring rates, car's natural frequency all play a role in ride comfort. But this is also coming from an author who said cutting springs to make the spring stiffer or compressing the spring and baking it in an oven to make it shorter but not stiffer are fine ;-) > >Am I saying that Lowell is wrong? I don't know. But this is getting >really >confusing. But the "data" that I have acculumated (particularly that I >have >driven a car with Bilsteins/stock springs and it was still HARSH and >BOUNCY) >suggests that trimming the bump stops WILL NOT HELP. Since you rode in cars with untrimmed Bilstein bumpstops, the ride would be harsh if the car is already sitting on the bumpstops. Trimming 2" out of the 3" bumpstop will allow for 2" of travel vs 0" travel, a big difference. I think Lowell (and Jim C) are right since they actually opened the shocks up and saw what was happening. That takes care of the front but I don't know what will help the rear. Lowell, did the front of your car drop even lower? Wen 96/2 Bilstein untrimmed/Eibach/ACS sways/stock wheels _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#10. Unsprung weight of Macpherson strut -inserts- from Jay Morris - from TFRM3@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:11:47 EDT From: TFRM3@aol.com Subject: Unsprung weight of Macpherson strut -inserts- from Jay Morris No offense to anyone, as always, but Bilstein shocks often have a GREATER unsprung weight than a Koni or Sachs. Assuming any oil is neither sprung nor unsprung weight, Koni unsprung weight consists of a 1mm wall thickness stand tube and a foot valve, just about 1.25 lb total. Bilstein consists of a 1mm outer housing, the same OD and length,a 12 mm shaft about 14 inches long, a steel piston with steel shims, and a bumpstop. The Bilstein rod itself is almost 0.5 pounds. total unsprung weight for a Bilstein is about 1.7 lbs. FYI Advance Design is 1.25 lbs, being a "Right side up" monotube design. So what does one do? If you can truly feel the difference in unsprung weight between 90 lbs and 90.4 lbs for the front of an e36, you should do the following: Go to any airport. Get on a plane to New York City. At the New York City airport, get in any line that says "London". When you get to London, find a cab (they're black over there) and tell you the driver you want to go to Rinky Dink Town-upon-Avon or wherever the hell Williams F1 team is. Ask for Frank Williams. Tell him you can detect a 4% difference in unsprung weight. He will give you lots of money and a shiny new drivers suit. Apoligies to Shel Silverstein, Jay Morris

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#11. shocks - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:28:07 -0700 From: "Kit Wetzler" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: shocks > Both cars that I drove with the Koni's . . . . street ride is BEAUTIFUL. NEAR > OR BETTER THAN STOCK ON THE STREET. I did not drive these on track, so I can't > compare the performance difference. Errr... wow. Dunno whose car with konis that you drove, but my M3/4 with 29910s and konis didn't ride all that well at all. I mean, it wasn't horrible, but clearly worse than stock. Boing boing! The H&R coilovers have a modified bilstein strut. It's revalved and shortened. But, you know what? They ride *really* nicely. I'm totally happy with mine. (although I'm having withdrawals, while the car is in the body shop... yikes!) -kit 97 m3/4 - only height adjustment 01 cbr-600 F4i - stock has preload, and separate compression and rebound adjustments

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#12. RE: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:40:04 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jbassett@geysernetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench > I am toying with the idea of buying a cordless impact wrench. > I would like it to have enough power to loosen something > torqued to 80-85 ft/lbs, (caliper bolts, etc.) > > Anybody have any recommendations? Yep, the Snap-On CT-350. It's marvelous :-) Get the charger & an extra battery as well, that way you'll always have a fresh battery. This weekend I'll dig out the info for a local Snap-On rep and send it to you. He's a CCA member, Club Racer, and I've bought a few items from him in the past. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4

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#13. Bilstein Sports - from ERogers005@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:43:42 EDT From: ERogers005@aol.com Subject: Bilstein Sports I would really like to hear from all of you that have Bilsteins currently (or previously) on your car. Are you happy with the Bilstein Sports? YES What springs are you running? HR 29910 Do you have the bumpstops trimmed? NO What is your main use for your M3 - i.e. daily driver, track, combo? COMBO W/A032R's How would you rate the smoothness of the roads that you typically drive on? SMOOTHNESS IS A RELATIVE TERM. THE SETUP IS PERFECT ON THE TRACK FOR ME. ON THE ROADS (BERKELEY, EAST BAY, ETC.) THE RIDE IS FINE OVERALL. ROUGH ROADS WILL GIVE A PRETTY FIRM RIDE, BUT I DON'T CONSIDER IT HARSH. MY WIFE HATES THE RIDE BUT OTHERS THINK IT'S GREAT. Ed Rogers 95 M3

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#14. Latest on Laguna, err... Mazda Raceway - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:02:11 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> Subject: Latest on Laguna, err... Mazda Raceway STOLEN from the Nor-Cal Shelby Club Mailing List.... Here is the latest info's on the "Mazda" racetrack. Laguna Seca Raceway is about to embark upon an ambitious $15 million makeover intended to address badly needed improvements to the track aging infrastructure. Among the scheduled upgrades will be 20 permanent garages, with 30 luxury suites perched overhead and an all new race control/media center. The plan also call for access, parking and landscaping improvements. Funding for the improvements became possible when the race track inked a deal with the Monterey County Board of Supervisors and the track's operating entity, the Sport Car Racing Association of the Monterey Peninsula (SCRAMP), providing a minimum 5 years term with a 25 years extension, contingent upon the completion of a sound financial plan. Mazda recently coughed up a large chunk of dough for title sponsorship of the raceway, rumored to be $7.5 million, which will go a long way toward helping the improvements materialize. "Mazda support will allow us to take the track to the next level and to embark an a capital improvement plan that will make it one of the finest racing facilities in the world" said Laguna Seca General Manager, John Stornetta. As of this writing, a contractor has been selected and ground breaking is scheduled for October 2001. The garages are expected to be ready in time for the 2002 season, with the luxury boxes to follow by the end of the year. I got an illustration from Laguna Seca Raceway and if it look very nice, you will have on the paddock side, from the bridge to almost turn 11, a 2 story high structure. (Reprinted from Motorcycle Magazine) PS: How much $ extra is that going to cost in entry fee and what about the BATHROOMS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#15. Re: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench - from Rich Gay
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:49:13 -0500 From: Rich Gay <rich_gay@mac.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cordless impact wrench on 6/1/01 10:29 AM, Andrej Dolenc at adolenc@erols.com wrote: > No personal experience with it, but I have been toying with getting this > impact wrench: > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=36175 > > I'm not 100% positive, but I think somebody on the list a long while back did > use one and was able to get it to remove lug bolts. I bought one of those a few years ago. It is junk. Lasted about two weekends and stopped working. Then I bought the snap-on unit, which is simply amazing. Sure it is more money, but it works. - Rich

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#16. 4%? Bad Math Day, try 0.4% (Jay Morris) - from TFRM3@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:02:44 EDT From: TFRM3@aol.com Subject: 4%? Bad Math Day, try 0.4% (Jay Morris) Time to get back to work.

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#17. FS: Koni SA Shocks/Struts for E36 3-Series - from peter@guagenti.com
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:49:11 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: FS: Koni SA Shocks/Struts for E36 3-Series Not 100% relevant to this list, but I know there are a few 325/328 owners lurking out there... ;-) -------------------------- For Sale: Koni Single-Adjustable Shocks for the E36 3-Series (92-99). I've had these on my wife's '96 328i for about 5k miles and have just converted to a full M3 suspension, so they are extra parts. Great upgrade, regardless of if you run aftermarket springs. I ran these with the factory sport springs and was able to dial-out a lot of the understeer inherent with the car. Asking $300 plus shipping. E-mail for further details. -peterg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com

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