E36M3 #1352

Tuesday, June 05, 2001 19:54:04

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#1. Re: Insurance coverage for wheels? - from Neil Maller
#2. Re:rear tire wear - from Joe Tan
#3. Re: [E36M3] rear tire wear - from Joe Dyer
#4. rear tire wear - from Dorffer, Rich
#5. Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Ron Buchalski
#6. Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Andbmw@aol.com
#7. Re: Insurance coverage for wheels? - from S Lafredo
#8. : Mixing Mobil 1 Viscosities - from Paul Elliott
#9. Re: Replacement Windshield - from S Lafredo
#10. rear tire wear - from Paul Elliott

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#1. Re: Insurance coverage for wheels? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:46:10 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Insurance coverage for wheels? on 6/5/01 4:03 PM, S Lafredo <slafredo@yahoo.com> wrote: > Lets say you were to hit your stock rear wheel on the curb going around > a turn. It would cost ~$800 for the wheel, ~$150+ for the 4 wheel > alignment plus labor to install the wheel. Let's say ~$1200 for the > entire incident (not accident!). Then subtract your $500 deductible. > That leaves you w/ ~ $700 for a claim. This is WELL below the current > ~$950+ threshold for a chargeable accident! Which pays for the wheel. > You still have to eat the deductible, alignment and labor. Or you could > just have the wheel repaired and probably come out ahead. What is meant by "chargeable accident?" Neil 96 M3

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#2. Re:rear tire wear - from Joe Tan
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re:rear tire wear Boy, If you think that the RE730 wears fast wait until you try a set of Michelin Pilot Sports or Bridgestone S02 Pole Position. The RE730 are hockey puck by comparison:) If you think about it the previous owner got only about 10k mi from the stock Michelin MXX3 you are now getting twice the mileage on your current set. How many mileage do you expect to get out of you next set of tires? Maybe you might want to go to 16" wheel so you can get to choose some hi mileage tires. Joe. ---------------------- Hi- I've owned a 100% stock 97 M3 coupe for about 7 weeks now. This is my first BMW. The car has about 34200 miles on it. The second set of rear tires (245/40/17 Bridgestone Potenza RE 730s on the factory wheels) are almost worn out. (I haven't measured how many 32nds of tread are left but there aren't many!) The previous owner put these tires on the car in October 2000 when it had 23,300 miles on it. The fronts have very little wear. The rear tires are wearing evenly across the face of the tire (no excessive wear on inner or outer edge). The tires are not over/under inflated. I don't drive the car hard... no smoky burnouts and not too many jackrabbit starts. The car is my daily driver... maybe 35 miles/day roundtrip highway commute to work. No road racing. No autocross. No drag racing. I understand that the RE 730 tires are a soft compound and have great grip (which I enjoy a lot). But….they wear out too quickly for my tastes. What is it about the M3 that causes the rear tires to wear so quickly? Thanks, Kevin kevingregg@home.com http://members.home.net/kevingregg 1997 BMW M3 Estoril Blue coupe http://members.home.net/kevingregg/m3/ Columbia, MD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#3. Re: [E36M3] rear tire wear - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:15:26 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear tire wear ----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:53:43 -0400 From: "Kevin M. Gregg" <kevingregg@home.com> Subject: rear tire wear Hi- (snip) The rear tires are wearing evenly across the face of the tire (no excessive wear on inner or outer edge). The tires are not over/under inflated. I don't drive the car hard... no smoky burnouts and not too many jackrabbit starts. .... No road racing. No autocross. No drag racing. ..... But..they wear out too quickly for my tastes. What is it about the M3 that causes the rear tires to wear so quickly? ANSWER: cheap tires, jackrabbit starts, road racing, autocrossing, drag racing, under-inflation, poor alignment. Any and all of the above. I consider 10,000 miles on a set of tires average for me! Joe

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#4. rear tire wear - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:29:28 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: rear tire wear I have the RE 730's on my E30 325is and I think they are a great tire in my limited experience so far. They are notorious for not (i.e., read NOT) wearing as fast as many performance alternatives sacrificing some dry grip although with great wet grip. I hear people complain about how fast the MXX3s wear out but I have some on my E36 M3 (which I use for spirited driving and track...5 school/ten days on the current tires and nearly 20,000 road miles) and they are still not worn out. Granted, the first 13,000 miles on these tires were not hard at all and the track days have been either cool and/or wet but these tires should not last this long from what I am told. Anyway, they will be toasted later this year after a couple more schools and some more spirited driving. I believe the compound has hardened some (they are nearly seven years old) causing the decelerated wear and loss of grip. I find it unusual you are wearing out the RE730's that fast and I would venture to say it may have something to do with your rapid rate of acceleration/deceleration (even without smoky burnouts, popping the clutch or locking the brakes/engaging ABS), your use of the cornering grip of the tires (do you really enjoy on and off ramps frequently and twisty road) and the road surfaces (are they extra grippy like dry concrete with a rough/porous surface or smooth like well worn asphalt). In addition, since you are not rotating your tires front to rear, the rears are probably wearing much faster than the fronts. It still seems like they are wearing fast. Maybe the compound was extra soft on your set. Tire manufacturing does have some variation in the compounds from one tire produced one month versus another month. Or, maybe the PO really wrung them out, likely in a straight line :-) Sorry I could not be of further help. Regards, Rich

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:36:46 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield Colin, I replaced my windshield last month. My insurance deductible was $100, so the remainder ($160, I think), was covered by insurance. My insurance company recommended Safelite as the local glass repair shop. I dropped my car off at 8:30AM, and it was ready at lunch time. They have the option of installing the windshield in the parking lot, but recommended bringing it to the shop. They liked my M3, and treated it very well. :-) Regarding factory (BMW) glass versus 'other' glass... BMW does NOT make their glass. They have several different glass manufacturers who make the glass for them, and put the roundel on them. These same brands of OEM glass (without the roundel) are available from Safelite (and others, I'm sure). Some of the manufacturers include: Sekurit Sicursiv Sigla Other than the lack of a roundel, my replacement windshield is a perfect match, including the shadow trim along the edges. Safelite even replaced the rubber trim around the windshield. -rb >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 07:24:49 -0400 >From: Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com >Subject: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield > > >Group, > >It's almost time to replace the front windshield due to numerous little >chips and bulleyes. I know the original BMW glass is quite soft, but also >of good optical quality. Mostly I'm worried about a good installation, >with no leaks and rattles/squeaks. I know the BMW dealers here subcontract >glass work out to local companies who install the factory BMW glass. Here >in MA, insurance should cover free glass replacement, so I was thinking of >just taking it to a dealer. Any thoughts of factory vs aftermarket glass? >Does the aftermarket glass have the BMW roundel on it? > >Thanks! >Colin >'98 M3 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Andbmw@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:12:05 EDT From: Andbmw@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield if the glass company even moved the car with in 9 hours they broke a comandment. i would'nt even drive a car unless it sat for 24 hours. body flex can cause the windshield to move and alow air to get traped in the adhesive used to seal the windscreen. weaking the structural integrity of the a-piller!

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#7. Re: Insurance coverage for wheels? - from S Lafredo
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:12:40 -0400 From: S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> Subject: Re: Insurance coverage for wheels? My understanding, read: you should call your agent and talk, is that it is an accident in which the insurance company PAYS out more than the "forgiveness" amount (~$950) and they hold it against you. The "forgiveness" amount is adjusted every year. Basically they know stuff happens and if it doesn't drain there coffers paying for it they will not penalize you. Now I suppose if you have too many "non-chargeable accidents" they would want to "re-evaluate" your policy :( On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 05:53 PM, Neil Maller wrote: > What is meant by "chargeable accident?"

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#8. : Mixing Mobil 1 Viscosities - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:19:05 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: : Mixing Mobil 1 Viscosities Kevin, >>Does anyone know is its ok to mix viscosities of Mobil 1 engine oil, eg. 15W50 with 10W30 ?<< Forget about it...Use Mobil1 5W-30 or 10W-30 year round, and you'll have no problems, such are the characteristics of this synthetic. Go to the mobil1 site, and check the MSDS sheets....One of the beauties of using synthetic is that either of these weights can truly be used as a year round wt. If you want to persist in thinking you should mix them, go ahead, no harm done. However I do NOT believe the resulting mix will be a direct average of the two. --------------------------------------------------------- Paul Elliott '99 White M3; < 30K miles; Dinan stage II sc kit; Rotex pads; Steiger SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio

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#9. Re: Replacement Windshield - from S Lafredo
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:17:59 -0400 From: S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> Subject: Re: Replacement Windshield In reading a brochure and from talking w/the installer. They can use two different adhesives. One takes longer than the other and is not as good. He said the stuff they use is spec that you can drive w/in an hour (?). The only warning was to not drive crazy or to slam the doors and to leave the tape alone for the 24 hours. I drove the car home and put it in the garage for the weekend. S On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 07:13 PM, Andbmw@aol.com wrote: > if the glass company even moved the car with in 9 hours they broke a > comandment. i would'nt even drive a car unless it sat for 24 hours. > body flex can cause the windshield to move and alow air to get traped in > the > adhesive used to seal the windscreen. weaking the structural integrity > of the > a-piller!

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#10. rear tire wear - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:47:28 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: rear tire wear Kevin, >>I've owned a 100% stock 97 M3 coupe for about 7 weeks now. This is my first BMW. The car has about 34200 miles on it. The second set of rear tires (245/40/17 Bridgestone Potenza RE 730s on the factory wheels) are almost worn out. << Here's a datapoint for you to consider.....My '99 has 28K miles. I replace my stock Pilots each winter, for 3K miles. I've been through 2 winters. So, I've gone 22K miles on these stock tires, and, I still have approx 5/32 left on the rears, meaning I'll probably net about 27K miles on these. >>. The car is my daily driver... maybe 35 miles/day roundtrip highway commute to work<< So is mine, only I go about 40 mi per day round trip. >>No road racing. No autocross. No drag racing. ...What is it about the M3 that causes the rear tires to wear so quickly? << Well, I'm pretty happy with the wear I've gotten on mine...In addition, as you can see from my sig line, I'm FAR from stock, including a Supercharger! I'm sure I'm at least as hard on mine as you are on yours....Clearly, I cant account for the different wear rates, only to suggest that you are perhaps driving harder than you think....Same tires....Different wear rates....Hmmmmm. --------------------------------------------------------- Paul Elliott '99 White M3; < 30K miles; Dinan stage II sc kit; Rotex pads; Steiger SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio

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