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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Fast and Furious - from peter@guagenti.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:14:46 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fast and Furious > I heard about it on another list. While I think that "The Fast and the > Furious" has the potential to be a very bad thing for legitimate amateur > motorsports in this country, I really hate the knee-jerk reaction of > some of the press. Amen. This movie is a pure case of art imitating life -- and the NY Daily News has reported most of the stories: - Illegal drag racing has been taking place in NYC for years -- Eddie Bello, one of the world's top drag racers started out doing exactly that. They do it for big money, making 110+ mph runs up the west side highway, and there have been many accidents. The NYPD even has a task force for it now, and have already seized cars. - The same Eddie Bello previously mentioned -- although a widely respected tuner and owner of one of the fastest Porsche's on the planet -- was arrested for running a car theft ring. You think this shit on screen doesn't have some roots in truth? - Drag racing in Long Island down by the beaches has been going on for longer than any of us have been alive. It's not right that it happens, but a movie doesn't affect that. I knew a 16-year-old (when I was 15) whose father was a Suffolk County Sherrif and he drove a highly-modified Mustang that his father bought him! Rather than blame these accidents on the one thing we refuse to accept in this country -- personal responsibility -- we blame it on the media. It's the same bullshit as saying "the devil made me do it". Lock the idiots up and call it a day. As someone who was born and raised in NYC, and as a former member of the press (photojournalist), I will tell you that the NY Daily News is as inflamatory as they come. They are a pure tabloid rag, known more for their "good art" (a euphemism for big, bold photos) than for any sort of journalistic integrity. These people are trying to sell papers, not provide the truth. The truly sad part about all of this is that the media is using the movie as an excuse to crucify both youth and car culture. It's the same old story that has gone on for years. Rather than blaming the illegal racing and crashes on an entire group of entusiasts, place the blame where it belongs -- on the idiots that think this is a good idea. Honestly, I'm just glad that the guys who were racing were over 25, well-off, white males. If this were young kids in rice-rockets, there would already be legislation going to raise the driving age to 30. And when it is kids who get caught doing this, the press always forget to ask _why_ the 17 year old with no job is driving a 300hp car, or what influence their parents had on teaching them the rules of the road. but why would we do that? It must just be that damn television's fault (my generation's babysitter). - peterg (absolutely disgusted by the press) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Fw: Summit Point Wreck [OT] - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:41:04 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fw: Summit Point Wreck [OT] Thank you, Jeff, for presenting your side of the story. It's always best to hear what happened from the source. Re: > and i will always be burdened by the guilt of almost > > taking another life. Its like pointing a loaded gun, very dangerous. ON SOAPBOX One of the primary rules of firearm safety is to only point a gun at something or someone you intend to shoot. A lot of people (pro- and anti-gun) don't quite understand this. There is no other reason -- ever -- to point a gun at someone, "loaded or not". Learn and follow these safety rules, or don't own a gun. I consider plenty of things (3000+lb masses moving towards me at a closing rate of over 100mph, chain-, table- and bandsaws, wood chippers, zealots, etc.) far more "dangerous" than any firearm in my possession. OFF SOAPBOX Regards, -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com
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#3. [E36M3] Bilst or H&R email addresses? - from twisty M3
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:46:36 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Bilst or H&R email addresses? Does anyone have any email addresses for Bilstein or H&R Reps that are specifically familiar with E36M3 applications? Thanks, Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Re: Fast and Furious - from Roman
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:58:47 -0700 From: Roman <roman@arteuro.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Fast and Furious Peter "110+ mph runs up the west side highway" ??? Wholly moly!!! I did a lot of consulting work in NYC. I also have family that lives in Long Island. I remember the West Side Highway usually being full of traffic. I remember hear about a car accident last year where a off duty police officer was racing down west side hwy in his BMW. He lost control at over 100mph and became a permanent part of the overpass support tower. I don't blame teenagers for some of these catastrophic accidents. Although, they have a greater tendency to get into a wreck, many older drivers are just as responsible. Many times it is the testosterone that makes men go beyond the limit of their abilities as well as their cars (been there done that). The fast and the furious is a fun movie. I'm sure that high performance parts manufacturers were inline to pay big bucks to have their stickers on some of these cars. I'm sure they will be making a killing on sales for the next 6 months. I don't think it is fair to blame a certain age group or a group of particular car owners ie(ricers). Roman S.
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#5. WTB: Racing Wheels - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:32:22 -0500 From: "Riley, Scott" <SRiley@CardinalCapital.com> Subject: WTB: Racing Wheels Group, Even though we are in the middle of the racing season, I wanted to see if anyone has any racing wheels for sale. I am currently running 17x8 RCs with Hoosier 245/40s all-around. My opinion is that the 17x8 wheel is too narrow for the 245s, therefore I am looking for some 8 1/2" wheels. That way, I can have the proper wheel for the 245s and then run 225/235s on the 8" wheels for the rain. My first choice would be either the Fikse FM/10s or SSR Comps in a 17x8.5. I don't necessarily need a pristine looking wheel since it will be a dedicated track wheel, but it has to be straight and somewhat clean. I am open for suggestions and/or comments from anyone. If someone damaged 1-2 wheels while racing and decided to upgrade rather than just replace the wheels, I would consider buying only 2-3 wheels since I can always go buy one or two more to complete the set. If preferred, please feel free to email me privately at sriley@cardinalcapital.com. Thanks. Scott S. Riley, CFA Cardinal Capital Partners, Inc. 8411 Preston Road, Suite 850 Dallas, Texas 75225 (214) 696-3600 phone (214) 696-9845 fax sriley@cardinalcapital.com
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#6. fuel starvartion - from Vince Leo
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:03:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Leo <m332is@yahoo.com> Subject: fuel starvartion I am getting fuel starvation at 1/2 a tank and below on hard left handers (i.e., the toe of the book at the Watkins Glen). Any reasonably priced fixes besides staying above 1/2 a tank for a a driver school/lapping day car - not a racer. I just ordered another set of the PF 90s (now 97) form Porterfield. They said the discount is now 15%. When did it change? Thanks, Vince 99 M3 89 M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#7. Re: [E36M3] cancel - from NickG
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:14:51 -0400 From: "NickG" <nikog@MediaOne.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] cancel ROFLMAO................ Sorry for the WOB, but I get a kick every time I see one of these make it to the list. Hello! McFly!! Anybody there??? ****Read the bottom of EACH AND EVERY MESSAGE you get from the list.**** LOL........Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "mitchellpatrick" <mitchellpatrick@email.msn.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: [E36M3] cancel > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:02:26 -0700 > From: "mitchellpatrick" <mitchellpatrick@email.msn.com> > Subject: cancel > > > cancel/unsubscribe > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#8. more on H&Rs on the bumpstops - from Andy Radin
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:26:08 -0700 From: Andy Radin <fourfa@mindspring.com> Subject: more on H&Rs on the bumpstops From H&R's website (http://www.hrsprings.com/site/technical/bumpstop.html): "The micro-cellular progressive jounce bumper, or simply put, the foamy bumpstop, is actually a supplemental spring. It works to make the suspension progressive, allowing a smooth transition to full compression. What most people don't realize is that the foamy bumpstop is an active part of the suspension. Let's say you're sitting in your M3, 996, Accord, Golf, S4, or Civic. (Hmm I can't decide). They all use the foamy. Ok, you're in your brand new Integra, just drove it off the showroom floor and are sitting at the stoplight waiting for the green. The foamy is actively engaged even while waiting at the stoplight. Car manufacturers use this brilliant piece of high-tech engineering for many reasons. By using an almost zero-weight supplemental spring, you can build the main (steel) spring with a reduced spring rate for a comfy ride. ... Think of the foamy as a little progressive spring over the shock rod. All car manufacturer bumpstops have a specifically calculated spring rate and compressed height. ..... When a spring is designed the spring rate must be calculated with the rate of the progressive bumpstop in mind. Otherwise the spring will not work in harmony with the bumpstop and the frequency of the suspension will be out sync The compressed height is what limits the wheel travel and controls how far the wheel and tire move up into the fender well. Aftermarket suspension designers must consider that enthusiasts will be upgrading the tires and wheels. Therefore, it is vital that these designers take into consideration the needs of tire and wheel fitment. By trimming the bumpstop you allow the tire and wheel to move further into the fender. This can cause the tire to rub where it did not before. If your application does not require bumpstop trimming and you are concerned about tires rubbing, just load up your car with your buddies and drive over some dips and speed bumps. If your tires do not rub with a full load in the car, they should not rub with lowering springs installed. So, what has little Johnny learned today? There is no such thing as a bumpstop in a modern suspension. The bumpstop has been replaced by a supplemental, active foam rubber spring, which is one of the essential components in the suspension." Perhaps some of the confusion on this issue comes from people using who-knows-what bumpstops when the springs kits are "designed" for something else? Sounds like these guys think it's totally normal to be resting on the bumpstops. I haven't seen the stock BMW bumpstops in person compared to the ones H&R advocates. Any thoughts? andy r. 98 m3/2
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#9. RE: MORE: [E36M3] Tire Mounting Q&A - from Tom Tice
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:11:39 -0400 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: MORE: [E36M3] Tire Mounting Q&A Hi Mel, The Hunter machine you are looking for is the TC350 or TC3500 as shown here: http://www.unofficialbmw.com/all/tools/all_hunter_tire_machine.html You might also want to quiz them as to how they use the machine or if they have had training on this machine. I found at least one shop that didn't really know how (or take the time to) properly use the machine. If you want to read up on it a bit further check out this: http://www.hunter.com/pub/undercar/4369T/4369T.htm HTHs, Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mel Silva [mailto:mel.silva@pdq.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:15 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: MORE: [E36M3] Tire Mounting Q&A > > > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:10:09 -0500 > From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> > Subject: MORE: [E36M3] Tire Mounting Q&A > > Thanks Tom. I was not willing to take my M3 to the two shops I > called that > were listed on TireRack's site. The others are well into the 35 > miles away > zone, so I didn't call them. I got a couple of recommendations > that I go to > my local dealer with my new tires in hand and another half recommendation > for Discount Tires. Can anyone provide more details on the > Hunter Machine? > This is my first time <grin> and I don't know yet what questions > to ask the > potential installer. What are the complications that require the Hunter > Machine? > > Thanks in advance, > Mel > >
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#10. Re: Fw: Summit Point Wreck - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:26:33 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Fw: Summit Point Wreck Jeff, Thanks for sending this note to the M3 Digest (via Michael Lawrence). I'm glad to hear that you and your instructor are okay. I just want to expand on one statement that you made... "When your(sic) in the moment, and about to launch off a track, all that training on the wet ring didn't come back to me." First a clarification (for list members who aren't familiar with Summit Point, FATT, BMWCCA schools run by NCC). The Summit Point FATT is NOT a BMWCCA event. It's an event run by BSR, a driving/racing school headquartered at Summit Point. http://www.bsr-inc.com/FATT.HTM There is a major difference between FATT and any BMWCCA school held at Summit Point by NCC. The NCC schools really DO stress safety on the track, and enforce the rules, too. I've never felt uneasy at a NCC school. I can't speak for other BMWCCA chapters who hold events at Summit Point since I've never attended them, but I imagine that they strongly stress safety as well. <soapbox> That said...at the NCC driver's schools, the chief instructor, as well as other classroom instructors, have repeatedly stressed how there is a growing disparity between "track" abilities (driving the line, smoothness, looking ahead, increasing corner entry speeds, etc), and car control skills (detect understeer or oversteer, skid control, recovery, etc.). However, a typical NCC driver school day provides each student with roughly SIX MINUTES of skidpad time. SIX MINUTES!!! How well can you learn, practice, and perfect your car control skills in six minutes? A two-day school provides you with TWELVE MINUTES of skidpad time. WooHoo!!! I still believe that the national BMWCCA organization (or the individual chapters, if the National organization is unwilling) should develop a series of CAR CONTROL schools that don't require a racetrack. They would be events where students could learn and practice car control skills. A large parking lot would be required, with a wet area and a dry area. The relatively confined environment of a parking lot would mean that the same skills could be practiced repeatedly, in quick succession, to really become familiar with the feelings and sensations of the car under these conditions, and it would help the students to become comfortable with tossing the car and being able to recover it. Either two or three levels of training could be provided, in order to satisfy the abilities of a wide range of students, and to provide a path to practicing more advanced skills. From personal experience, in February I attended Derek Daly's two-day school in Las Vegas that used some of the techniques described above, and it worked very well for me. Soon afterwards I also had the opportunity to spend about three hours on a snowy/icy parking lot, practicing car control skills learned at the school, with great success. It was clear to me that I was driving at a different level, and I was recognizing and responding to the car's motions in real time (most of the time...more practice is always a good thing!). Many of us enjoy the sensation of taking our cars around a road course, or dodging the cones during an autocross run, or even pushing the limits of driving a highway off-ramp or a mountain road, but driving on a track "at speed" isn't the best time to LEARN car control skills, and an autocross run is too short to LEARN car control skills. The track and autocross are places where we can USE the car control skills we've learned, and even refine them for the track or autocross environment. We really need more schools that focus on CAR CONTROL. </soapbox> Good luck with your search for another M3. -rb >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:59:18 -0400 >From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> >Subject: Fw: Summit Point Wreck > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff S Lee" <jeff_s_lee@fanniemae.com> >To: <95m3ltw@home.com> >Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:32 PM >Subject: Summit Point Wreck > > >>Mike, can you post this for me, I'm not at home and the digest won't let >>me post from a unverified email address and you seem to be following the >>thread. >> >> >> >>My name is Jeff and I was the one at Summit Point with the Green M3. <snip> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com