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#1. Re:Warning 95 Northbound for 4th of july - from shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:54:48 -0400 From: shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com Subject: Re:Warning 95 Northbound for 4th of july >Just got a message from a friend northbound on 95 through maryland, >cops, cops, and more cops....just about every turn around was a trap. >be careful out there kids! You say this as if this is something out of the ordinary. IMHO, in 12 years of driving through that god-forsaken state, this is absolutely status quo no matter what time of the year it is. YMMV. Shane Kleinpeter <-- hates Maryland Tarheel Chapter (with Parents in Philly) '96 M3
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#2. TC (was:Anyone got one 245/40ZR17 MXX3 for sale?) - from Joe Tan
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: TC (was:Anyone got one 245/40ZR17 MXX3 for sale?) >Funny you should mention that in your tag line. >My '97 came with a >combination of limited slip and ASC+T, I believe. I >have always been >very >impressed with this combination. It never appears to >intrude in the dry, >only when I do something lead-footed in the wet. I agree, I drive pretty aggresive on some backroads and never cames on, and saved my butt a few times in the wet. Well worth it to to have it. >On to my question: >What year M3s came with this combination? '96 and up M3 only. >Was DSC ever implemented in an E36 M3? No -Joe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#3. Cheap tires - from Ed Tang
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> Subject: Cheap tires Joe wrote: "Why go thru the trouble of buying the best handling sedan and spend more money improving it just to put some cheap tires on it?" True that. I drove a 328 with suspension mods at an autocross over the weekend shod with Kumho Ectsa 712's. They're about $102 at the Tire Rack. However, coming out of the corners the wheels would spin trying to find traction. And it was at steady throttle. The tires are decent but as they heat up they get real greasy and it literally fights to maintain traction. I will admit it was fun dirt tracking it. Ed Tang 95 Cosmos M3 Bridstone S-02 PP (waiting for the storm today) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Cheap tires - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:30:17 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Cheap tires But what does this matter when the tires are only used on the street. I mean if you honestly push your car to the absolute limits on city streets then I don't want to be anywhere near you. Yes I have driven my car hard on the street but not as hard as you do when tracking it or autox it. So for a cheap street tire, they are perfect. For a track tire to bring out the finely tuned suspension on our cars then they suck. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com -----Original Message----- From: Ed Tang [mailto:etangf1@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:14 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Cheap tires Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> Subject: Cheap tires Joe wrote: "Why go thru the trouble of buying the best handling sedan and spend more money improving it just to put some cheap tires on it?" True that. I drove a 328 with suspension mods at an autocross over the weekend shod with Kumho Ectsa 712's. They're about $102 at the Tire Rack. However, coming out of the corners the wheels would spin trying to find traction. And it was at steady throttle. The tires are decent but as they heat up they get real greasy and it literally fights to maintain traction. I will admit it was fun dirt tracking it. Ed Tang 95 Cosmos M3 Bridstone S-02 PP (waiting for the storm today) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Cheap tires - from Ed Tang
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Cheap tires Let me clarify. It's sounds to me like a lot of people are trying to get away with one set of tires this season with the dual purpose of street driving and autocrossing. I'm in the same boat. I have diverted a ton o funds on my maiden season karting. I'm specifically targeting those who can't afford two sets of tires/rims for autocrossing. The 328 I drove was a dual purpose car. I think it would have been better if he got S-02 PP, especially since the price has gone under $170. You'll pay about $60 more/tire but if you're using only one set of tires for two different things, I would not compromise for a few extra $$. Ed > So for a > cheap street tire, they are perfect. For a track > tire to bring out the > finely tuned suspension on our cars then they suck. > > Seth Thomas > www.m3ltw.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Cheap tires - from John Stoj
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John Stoj <John_Stoj@excite.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cheap tires Joe wrote: "Why go thru the trouble of buying the best handling sedan and spend more money improving it just to put some cheap tires on it?" I'll just bore you with another second to this. I bought my M3 used and it was shod with Sumitomo HTRZ's. I hate these tires. I really can't wait to replace them. Unfortunately, I had to replace a pothole damaged tire this weekend. I went back and forth as to whether I should replace them all with a better tire, or just replace one. In the end, I couldn't reconcile replacing three tires that had around 7k miles on them just to get a set of good rubber on the car. so, I'm stuck with these dogs for another year or so. - John S. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Cheap tires - from peter@guagenti.com
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:34:58 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cheap tires > True that. I drove a 328 with suspension mods at an > autocross over the weekend shod with Kumho Ectsa > 712's. They're about $102 at the Tire Rack. The scary part about all of this is, there _are_ very good performing tires at a moderate price. The Bridgestone RE730, Toyo FZ4, and old Pirelli P7000's are a great example. They're nowhere near as expensive as their up-scale siblings ($140 for the RE730, $240 for the S-02), but perform as well in moderate-to-aggressive driving. At the limits you'll notice the difference, but at that point we're talking about getting close to R-compound country. There's no reason to autocross seriously on cheap rubber. One of my pet peeves about the whole Firestone thing is the fact that the recalled tires were mostly H-rated tires. H-rated! I believe that's recommended to 85? A large number of the accidents that started with the tire shedding its tread were closer to 95. Regardless of whether the tire was defective or not, you are driving at a dangerous speed on a tire not built for it. The same idea rolls over to our cars -- its easy to find the limits of your tires on the M3, whether by intent or stupidity. Why get cheap about finding good rubber? It's the _only_ thing connecting you to the road. > I will admit it was fun dirt tracking it. If you ever get a chance to autocross in the rain, do it. Nothing like kicking off a huge rooster tail, trying not to slide sideways through the course, while you cackle your head off. And there's no risk of eating a wall. But then again, I think the most fun form of pro racing would rally. ;-) -p ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Cheap tires - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:19:10 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cheap tires ----- Original Message ----- From: <peter@guagenti.com> > The scary part about all of this is, there _are_ very good performing tires at > a moderate price. The Bridgestone RE730, Toyo FZ4, and old Pirelli > P7000's are a great example I know it is funny to listen to folks argue back and forth about 'cheap' tires for a car such as an M3. I currently have a set of the Kumhos on my street wheels for my race car. I would say they are ok in the rain, decent grip but are nowhere near a Pilot Sport nor even close to a P7000. The P7000 SS is a super underrated tire, I found that it is within a sec of what my R compound Kumhos are at Road Atlanta. In the Porsche club, it has been a long time 'secret' about the P7000, get a few laps on them at the track and they stick like glue. They are bad about getting greasy when hot, but for a street tire, I put them up with the Pilots. The problem with the Kumhos, I would say they approach the limit of my typical street driving. On several ocassions on On/Off ramps, I would experience some sliding that with the P7000s I didnt. And I think someone stated they had better straight line grip than a Pilot????? WTF, your set must be much different than mine. I can light up the Kumhos 1st, thru 2nd and they finally grip going into 3rd. Even if I am already moving in 1st, nail the throttle, they will just go up in smoke. THEY ARE THE Worst tire I have personally used for straight line accelration on an M3. But I also laugh out loud really hard when I see people talking about getting over 8k miles on a set of tires. YOU DONT NEED TO BE DRIVING AN M3 IF YOU BABY IT THAT MUCH, I think an 328 would do you fine for the little hard driving you do then. I love going to club meetings and hearing someone talking about getting 25k + out of tires on an M3. Makes me want to slap them, "Man that car is made for driving" Where are the M-police when you need them, haha mike
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Cheap tires - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:41:27 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Cheap tires So much for that secret..... Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lawrence [mailto:95m3ltw@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:24 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cheap tires Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:19:10 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cheap tires ----- Original Message ----- From: <peter@guagenti.com> > The scary part about all of this is, there _are_ very good performing tires at > a moderate price. The Bridgestone RE730, Toyo FZ4, and old Pirelli > P7000's are a great example I know it is funny to listen to folks argue back and forth about 'cheap' tires for a car such as an M3. I currently have a set of the Kumhos on my street wheels for my race car. I would say they are ok in the rain, decent grip but are nowhere near a Pilot Sport nor even close to a P7000. The P7000 SS is a super underrated tire, I found that it is within a sec of what my R compound Kumhos are at Road Atlanta. In the Porsche club, it has been a long time 'secret' about the P7000, get a few laps on them at the track and they stick like glue. They are bad about getting greasy when hot, but for a street tire, I put them up with the Pilots. The problem with the Kumhos, I would say they approach the limit of my typical street driving. On several ocassions on On/Off ramps, I would experience some sliding that with the P7000s I didnt. And I think someone stated they had better straight line grip than a Pilot????? WTF, your set must be much different than mine. I can light up the Kumhos 1st, thru 2nd and they finally grip going into 3rd. Even if I am already moving in 1st, nail the throttle, they will just go up in smoke. THEY ARE THE Worst tire I have personally used for straight line accelration on an M3. But I also laugh out loud really hard when I see people talking about getting over 8k miles on a set of tires. YOU DONT NEED TO BE DRIVING AN M3 IF YOU BABY IT THAT MUCH, I think an 328 would do you fine for the little hard driving you do then. I love going to club meetings and hearing someone talking about getting 25k + out of tires on an M3. Makes me want to slap them, "Man that car is made for driving" Where are the M-police when you need them, haha mike ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Cheap tires - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:51:30 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jbassett@geysernetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Cheap tires > But I also laugh out loud really hard when I see people talking about > getting over 8k miles on a set of tires. YOU DONT NEED > TO BE DRIVING > AN M3 IF YOU BABY IT THAT MUCH, I think an 328 would do > you fine for the > little hard driving you do then. I love going to club > meetings and hearing > someone talking about getting 25k + out of tires on an M3. > Makes me want to > slap them, "Man that car is made for driving" Where are the > M-police when > you need them, haha <rant> <soapbox> Since when is tire life an indication of whether or not you "baby" a car? If you're getting less than 8K miles on a street tire, used solely on the street, you're abusing the equipment and need a driving style change. With proper tire care (rotating, swapping side to side, proper tire pressure), I got 40K out of a set of Pilot Sports (I was getting similar mileage out of the AVS Sports before they were all replaced from the "loose caliper" incident). I have a 100-mile roundtrip commute, and if you think I "baby" the car, you are sadly mistaken. But then, I don't do drag-racing starts and I don't slide the car around corners. If that's your definition of "driving the car" then YOU need to be slapped. There's a difference between "use" and "abuse" - some people seem to think they are the same, but they're not. </rant> </soapbox> Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - 95,000+ of fun, un-babied miles