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#1. [E36M3] Rubber Flexibility - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:39:33 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Rubber Flexibility I'm currently running 235/40s on stock staggered wheels. I was going to rotate the tires today by having them dismounted and remounted on opposite corners/axles. Being that the rears have been "stretched" out a bit more than the fronts, will that have an effect on their fitment onto the 7.5" wheels? With the rubber compounds used in tires, I'd assume that they maintain their original shape and that this is a perfectly safe thing to do, but I thought I'd double check to see if anyone on the list knows/thinks otherwise. Thanks in advance, Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#2. [E36M3] Enduro at Willow - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:41:58 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Enduro at Willow Any other list members going to Willow Springs for the club race or enduro this weekend? I'll be heading up to watch the enduro at 5 p.m., and maybe the tail end of the club race. Just wondering if any other listers are going as spectators or competitors. Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#3. [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:37:18 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel Chris said > There's no real overwhelming benefit to switching to staggered wheels on my 95 M3. It will indeed modify the handling on the car, by introducing some more understeer at the limit by slightly increasing grip in front and reducing it in back. Some have suggested this change to be pretty slight. In addition, the ability to rotate wheels is lost. You are on the right path but I think what you wanted to say is "....some more understeer at the limit by slightly DEcreasing grip in front and INCREASING it in the back." More tires in the rear in this instance will translate to more grip and less tire in the front will translate to less grip, resulting in push (favorite term of the NASCAR contingent) or understeer. Best regards, Rich
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Enduro at Willow - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:41:22 -0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Enduro at Willow Yeah I'll be heading up there! Working on a Miata enduro pit crew for the race... Won't be driving the M though...It's still in the shop :( If you want to hook up (or anyone else) just contact me on my cell 619-339-7832. Mark R. From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Reply-To: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: [E36M3] Enduro at Willow Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:46:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:41:58 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Enduro at Willow Any other list members going to Willow Springs for the club race or enduro this weekend? I'll be heading up to watch the enduro at 5 p.m., and maybe the tail end of the club race. Just wondering if any other listers are going as spectators or competitors. Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#5. Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:53:53 -0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel What about the setup I have on my car? I run 235's all the way around with staggered rim sizes. The PO bought the car with the lightweight forged rims as an option. Seems to handle A-Okay to me! :) Mark From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Reply-To: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:46:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:37:18 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel Chris said > There's no real overwhelming benefit to switching to staggered wheels on my 95 M3. It will indeed modify the handling on the car, by introducing some more understeer at the limit by slightly increasing grip in front and reducing it in back. Some have suggested this change to be pretty slight. In addition, the ability to rotate wheels is lost. You are on the right path but I think what you wanted to say is "....some more understeer at the limit by slightly DEcreasing grip in front and INCREASING it in the back." More tires in the rear in this instance will translate to more grip and less tire in the front will translate to less grip, resulting in push (favorite term of the NASCAR contingent) or understeer. Best regards, Rich ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#6. 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:14:36 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel Chris, >>It will indeed modify the handling on the car, by introducing some more understeer at the limit by slightly increasing grip in front and reducing it in back<< While I think it is true that using the stagger will tend to decrease oversteer or increase understeer, I think you have the second part of it wrong. Using wider tires in back will decrease oversteer because they will develop more friction, and hence, tend to keep the rear from swinging around as occurs with oversteer. So, instead of decreasing grip in back as you say, I believe it is the increase in rear grip which will tend to keep the rear more firmly planted. Please advise if you think this is wrong... --------------------------------------------------------- Paul Elliott '99 White M3; < 30K miles; Dinan stage II sc kit; Rotex pads; Steiger SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#7. RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:15:52 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel Mark, You should be about the same as having the 235/40/17 on 17" x 7.5" wheels at all four corners like the normal 1995 M3s. With the staggered lightweight (95 M3 LWT) set-up, presumably, the rear wheels/tires with 235/40/17 on 17" x 8.5" would get better traction than the front wheels/tires with 235/40/17 on 17" x 7.5" as the rears fit better than the fronts allowing the tire to grip better as the narrow wheel is really to narrow and the tread is not able to work quite as well as it was designed. I would say less than 1% difference (an uniformed untested opinion entirely) and clearly not perceptible. Basically, you have a very nice set-up (and nice wheels) indeed and BMW thought so with their 95 M3 LTW set-up as well. If you don't think so and are still concerned about your wheels, I will gladly swap you my 95 M3 OE wheels for yours, no charge and I will even pay for shipping because I am a nice guy ;-) Best regards, Rich 95 M3 with 235/40/17 MXX3's on 17" x 7.5" wheels at all four corners -----Original Message----- From: Mark Radelow [mailto:radelow@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 1:54 PM To: RDORFFER@CleIndians.com; e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel What about the setup I have on my car? I run 235's all the way around with staggered rim sizes. The PO bought the car with the lightweight forged rims as an option. Seems to handle A-Okay to me! :) Mark From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Reply-To: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:46:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:37:18 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel Chris said > There's no real overwhelming benefit to switching to staggered wheels on my 95 M3. It will indeed modify the handling on the car, by introducing some more understeer at the limit by slightly increasing grip in front and reducing it in back. Some have suggested this change to be pretty slight. In addition, the ability to rotate wheels is lost. You are on the right path but I think what you wanted to say is "....some more understeer at the limit by slightly DEcreasing grip in front and INCREASING it in the back." More tires in the rear in this instance will translate to more grip and less tire in the front will translate to less grip, resulting in push (favorite term of the NASCAR contingent) or understeer. Best regards, Rich ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Great HID price - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:07:13 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Great HID price From: http://www.osram.com/service_corner/glossary/index.html "Tungsten-halogen lamps operate in the same way as incandescent lamps and have a similar design. The small quantities of halogens (bromine, chlorine, fluorine and iodine) and their compounds added to the filler gas almost entirely prevent the bulb from blackening due to vaporizing tungsten atoms within a particular temperature range so there is no associated drop in luminous flux. The bulbs on tungsten-halogen lamps can therefore be made much smaller, which means the pressure of the filler gas can be increased and more economical use can be made of expensive inert gases, krypton and xenon, as filler gases." -rb >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:42:12 -0700 (PDT) >From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Great HID price > >From what I understand, standard halogen bulbs used to use bromide, but now >use a mixture of gasses. One of the gasses in standard halogens is xenon, >the better bulbs tend to have more xenon. I'm not sure about argon, but I >couldn't be surprised if there was some krypton involved. Why would a >noble gas not be used? > >- reid _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#9. Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:28:02 -0400 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispitude@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 - benefits/drawbacks of staggered wheel At 01:37 PM 7/6/2001 -0400, you wrote: >You are on the right path but I think what you wanted to say is "....some >more understeer at the limit by slightly DEcreasing grip in front and >INCREASING it in the back." Ack, how embarrassing when you think the right thing but type it completely backwards... Thanks for catching my goof, everyone! I'll be ordering a set of four refurbished M Contour 7.5"x17" wheels from The Wheel Collision Center today (http://www.wheelcollision.com/). They're refurbished previously-dinked wheels which have been restored to new condition, with a lifetime guarantee on the paint/clearcoat against oxidizing/chipping. I'll try to take some closeups with my digital camera when they come in, so everyone can have a look. - Chris
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Great HID price - from Bob Lenarcik
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:49:25 -0700 From: "Bob Lenarcik" <lenarcik@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Great HID price Ahhh, now I understand why they are called "Halogens" but always have the Noble gas names associated with the bulbs. Thanks for the info guys! Does anyone know how long the special prices are good for? - Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ron Buchalski [mailto:rbuchals@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:26 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Great HID price Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:07:13 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Great HID price From: http://www.osram.com/service_corner/glossary/index.html "Tungsten-halogen lamps operate in the same way as incandescent lamps and have a similar design. The small quantities of halogens (bromine, chlorine, fluorine and iodine) and their compounds added to the filler gas almost entirely prevent the bulb from blackening due to vaporizing tungsten atoms within a particular temperature range so there is no associated drop in luminous flux. The bulbs on tungsten-halogen lamps can therefore be made much smaller, which means the pressure of the filler gas can be increased and more economical use can be made of expensive inert gases, krypton and xenon, as filler gases." -rb