E36M3 #1484

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 16:16:38

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. SMG II - from Toby Smith
#2. Re: Radiator Options - from Neil Maller
#3. Re: FS: H&R Sport springs for 95 M3 - from Neil Maller
#4. Re: Grinding - from Neil Maller
#5. 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from Todd Ogi
#6. Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from Chester Wong
#7. Air compressors - from Chester Wong
#8. Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from NickG
#9. RE: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from Seth Thomas
#10. Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from NickG

-------------------- 1 --------------------

#1. SMG II - from Toby Smith
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:10:30 -0700 From: "Toby Smith" <tobys@microsoft.com> Subject: SMG II Sounds pretty hard to beat - anyone have any negative info on this? http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/products/special/ , choose SMG II -Toby

Reply to: Toby Smith

Top

-------------------- 2 --------------------

#2. Re: Radiator Options - from Neil Maller
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:48:49 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Radiator Options on 7/18/01 12:45 PM, Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> wrote: It's about that time for a new radiator in my '95. I was going to just > replace the factory unit in the car now (which has 110k miles on it) with > another OEM radiator, but I'm wondering if I should consider any > alternatives. There's a company called Performance Radiator at: http://www.performanceradiator.com/ Phone: (800) RADIATOR which supposedly makes all aluminum radiators for BMWs and many other cars. I say supposedly because I've heard a report that the unit for our cars isn't all metal. Not needing one (yet...) myself, I haven't checked into it. Their web site is a little confused about the various BMW chassis, models and years. The company may or may not be aware that the US E36 M3 uses the same radiator as the rest of the range. Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> adds > There was this company that apparently made one for the E36 and it should fit > ours, but I think it still had a plastic neck. Someone prove me wrong please! Chester, is Performance Radiator the one you're thinking of? A phone call should clear it all up though, and I'm sure we'd all like to know the result. on 7/18/01 12:45 PM, "Birkhead, Rob" <rbirkhead@bb.directv.com> wrote: > Doesn't Dinan make a all-aluminum replacement for the E36? It was supposed > to be offer better cooling as well. I don't know much more about it than > that. But you might want to contact them. Boy, and I'll just bet that's an attractively priced option. <g> Neil 96 M3

Reply to: Neil Maller

Top

-------------------- 3 --------------------

#3. Re: FS: H&R Sport springs for 95 M3 - from Neil Maller
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:56:29 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: FS: H&R Sport springs for 95 M3 on 7/18/01 12:45 PM, "Dan Hermann" <dah328@hotmail.com> wrote: >> From: Geof McLaughlin >> All you need is upper spring plates from the 1995 model and they'll fit >> your 1996 M3. Pretty cheap too! > > thanks for the pointer. if that's the case, i'll keep the springs. i took > a look at the parts list for 95 vs. 96 M3 and it looks like the upper spring > plate and upper spring pad are the only two different parts between the > cars. do you know if i lose anything by going to 95 spring plates? i have > Kmac camber plates on the car if that makes any difference. BMW made the upper spring diameter smaller starting in 96, presumably to provide clearance for the highly offset bearing hats they introduced at the same time. In real life there doesn't seem to be any problem using the 95 spring parts in a 96+ car. In your case you have K-Macs, so the year-to-year issue doesn't apply anyway. I suppose it's conceivable that the range of adjustment of the K-Macs might be more limited with the larger top spring diameter, but no more so than if you just had a 95 M3 in the first place. Neil 96 M3 - Stock bearing plates swapped, again

Reply to: Neil Maller

Top

-------------------- 4 --------------------

#4. Re: Grinding - from Neil Maller
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:02:16 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Grinding on 7/18/01 12:45 PM, Mark Greene <gsa@arpinintl.com> wrote: > Hello: I am going to show my stripes here...... should I be asking for > an inspection I every time I ask for an oil change or is there an in > between oil only, etc. No no no noooo! Only if you want to shell out several hundred $ for each oil change. You can consult your owner's manual for Inspection I ($$) and Inspection II ($$$$) information, or the service indicator in the instrument cluster will tell you when an inspection is called for. Neil 96 M3

Reply to: Neil Maller

Top

-------------------- 5 --------------------

#5. 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from Todd Ogi
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:14:09 -0700 From: Todd Ogi <TOgi@etimecapital.com> Subject: 97 Stock fuel Injectors I wanted to know if anyone on the board has experience with this: I have a 10/95 build date M3 with the TMS Euro HFM package on there as well as a ss exhaust. I want to put in the stock fuel injectors from the 3.2L engine for my 3.0L engine (the 21.5lb fuel injectors vs. the 17.5lb fuel injectors) to see if that will work in concert with my HFM stuff. I called around, Turner said that it won't work, AA said they could make a custom chip but it'd be 400 bucks. Dynospot Racing said that I don't need to reprogram the chip because the chip does more timing of duty cycles vs. figuring out what lb fuel injectors I have...it's just an on/off switch for fuel. So my question is has anyone done this and am I risking messing anything up in my engine? Who's right, do I actually need a chip to take advantage of the extra fuel or will the JimC that's included with the HFM work with the injectors? I got this idea from the last issue of european car where AA had their 540HFM/intake/chip/injector package tested. The guy at dynospot (very knowledgeable) said that I shouldn't need a chip at all. Thanks for the help. T

Reply to: Todd Ogi

Top

-------------------- 6 --------------------

#6. Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from Chester Wong
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors Wasn't there someone who put Ford Mustang injectors into his car? Same Bosch manufacturer...but I think the injectors were rated higher. Chester --- Todd Ogi <TOgi@etimecapital.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:14:09 -0700 > From: Todd Ogi <TOgi@etimecapital.com> > Subject: 97 Stock fuel Injectors > > I wanted to know if anyone on the board has experience with this: > > I have a 10/95 build date M3 with the TMS Euro HFM package on there as well > as a ss exhaust. I want to put > in the stock fuel injectors from the 3.2L engine for my 3.0L engine (the > 21.5lb fuel injectors > vs. the 17.5lb fuel injectors) to see if that will work in concert with my > HFM stuff. > > I called around, Turner said that it won't work, AA said they could make a > custom > chip but it'd be 400 bucks. Dynospot Racing said that I don't need to > reprogram the chip > because the chip does more timing of duty cycles vs. figuring out what lb > fuel injectors > I have...it's just an on/off switch for fuel. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Reply to: Chester Wong

Top

-------------------- 7 --------------------

#7. Air compressors - from Chester Wong
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:37:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Air compressors Looking to buy an air compressor. Sears had a nice 60 oil-lubed vertical compressor for $450 or so. Campbell Hausfeld has a few good models as well. The only problem is that space is a bit tight and I'm not sure if I need such a big compressor immediately (maybe when I get a nice big house, etc). I then saw a stacked air compressor (like the Porter Cable in Griot's Garage) made by Ingersoll Rand that was oil-lubed, etc. Much more portable (perhaps more useful for other projects...dunno) and it was rated at 5.6 cfm (or so) at 90 psi. Any suggestions? Too many choices! Maybe a 13 - 15 gallon wheel barrel type? Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Reply to: Chester Wong

Top

-------------------- 8 --------------------

#8. Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from NickG
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:01:38 -0400 From: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors 1. Turner is right in a sense....as is, you can't just drop in the injectors. The chip needs to be custom burned to match. 2. AA is right. 3. The guy from Dynospot Racing is WAYYYYYYY off. The DME doesn't *figure out* what fuel injectors you have. It's programmed into the chip. Using the programmed injector size, it calculates how long it should turn the injectors on for in order to spray 'x' amount of fuel. If you install an injector that's sized differently from what the DME/chip thinks it has, the fueling will be wrong and the DME will *try* to correct it. It can only correct within a certain window though. Go beyond that window and you'll get a check engine light. Nick '95 M3 turbo (with 32+ lb/hr injectors) > I have a 10/95 build date M3 with the TMS Euro HFM package on there as well > as a ss exhaust. I want to put > in the stock fuel injectors from the 3.2L engine for my 3.0L engine (the > 21.5lb fuel injectors > vs. the 17.5lb fuel injectors) to see if that will work in concert with my > HFM stuff. > > I called around, Turner said that it won't work, AA said they could make a > custom > chip but it'd be 400 bucks. Dynospot Racing said that I don't need to > reprogram the chip > because the chip does more timing of duty cycles vs. figuring out what lb > fuel injectors > I have...it's just an on/off switch for fuel. > > So my question is has anyone done this and am I risking messing anything up > in my engine? > Who's right, do I actually need a chip to take advantage of the extra fuel > or will the JimC that's > included with the HFM work with the injectors? > > I got this idea from the last issue of european car where AA had their > 540HFM/intake/chip/injector > package tested. > > The guy at dynospot (very knowledgeable) said that I shouldn't need a chip > at all. > > Thanks for the help. > > T

Reply to: NickG

Top

-------------------- 9 --------------------

#9. RE: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from Seth Thomas
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:21:38 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors Yes, that is what RMS supplies with their superchargers. They will work as they are 24lb injectors that are pretty much like the BMW ones. And both are made by Bosch. But this does not mean they have the same flow characteristics. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:36 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors Wasn't there someone who put Ford Mustang injectors into his car? Same Bosch manufacturer...but I think the injectors were rated higher. Chester --- Todd Ogi <TOgi@etimecapital.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:14:09 -0700 > From: Todd Ogi <TOgi@etimecapital.com> > Subject: 97 Stock fuel Injectors > > I wanted to know if anyone on the board has experience with this: > > I have a 10/95 build date M3 with the TMS Euro HFM package on there as well > as a ss exhaust. I want to put > in the stock fuel injectors from the 3.2L engine for my 3.0L engine (the > 21.5lb fuel injectors > vs. the 17.5lb fuel injectors) to see if that will work in concert with my > HFM stuff. > > I called around, Turner said that it won't work, AA said they could make a > custom > chip but it'd be 400 bucks. Dynospot Racing said that I don't need to > reprogram the chip > because the chip does more timing of duty cycles vs. figuring out what lb > fuel injectors > I have...it's just an on/off switch for fuel. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

Reply to: Seth Thomas

Top

-------------------- 10 --------------------

#10. Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors - from NickG
Top
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:06:43 -0400 From: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors Some more info regarding those injectors.....they are made by Bosch and sold under the Ford Motorsport brand. They're rated at 24lb/hr @ 2.7bar, which turns out to be around 27.7lb/hr @ 3.5bar (the BMW app). Nick > Yes, that is what RMS supplies with their superchargers. They will work as > they are 24lb injectors that are pretty much like the BMW ones. And both > are made by Bosch. But this does not mean they have the same flow > characteristics. > > Seth Thomas > www.m3ltw.com > > > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 97 Stock fuel Injectors > > Wasn't there someone who put Ford Mustang injectors into his car? Same > Bosch > manufacturer...but I think the injectors were rated higher. > > Chester

Reply to: NickG

Top