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#1. M3's @ Sears Point - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:45:03 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: M3's @ Sears Point For those who don't have Speedvision... Just got back from the ALMS races at Sears Point, where the BMW Motorsport and PTG teams finished 1-2-3-4, trouncing the Porsches. The order of finish was 42, 6, 43, 10 -- that's the BMW Motorsport cars taking 1st and 3rd. This was the first weekend that the PTG guys have the V8, so expect more wins as they learn the cars. - peterg
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#2. Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:09:31 -0700 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point On TV, they had the BMW factory cars taking 1 and 2, with PTG taking 3 and 4. ???? and I do think the V8's are unfair in my opinion. If I were Porsche, I would not even bother doing the series anymore. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Guagenti" <peter@guagenti.com>
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#3. Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:55:01 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point Well, how many V8 M3's does BMW have to sell to the "public" to field these super machines? It's only unfair if this version does not go into some kind of production run, and I think there are rules that force the car maker to manufacture a minimum number. The number that sticks in my mind is 300, use to be 2,000...right? Am I close???? Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe...wants a big V8 brother with SMG II ;-))...fat chance Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 #13 BSP 2001
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#4. Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:40:26 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point on 7/22/01 4:15 PM, Michael Lawrence at 95m3ltw@home.com wrote: > On TV, they had the BMW factory cars taking 1 and 2, with PTG taking 3 and > 4. ???? The leader boards all showed the BMW Motorsport cars flanking Hans Stuck in 2nd place. My view from the esses seemed to match that. As for the V8's being unfair, didn't Porsche race the GT3R's for almost two years before they became available? Porsche has "officially" protested it, and my understanding was that the rules committee threw Porsche's own past bending of the rules back in their faces. That seems to have ended it. BMW raced the E46M3 long before it was available on the street. Why should it be different for a V8 model that they plan on selling. BMW has won _every_ race at Sears since '96 (first with IMSA and then with ALMS), so this win was definitely not the new engine. In fact, if I remember properly last year was one of (if not _the_) only win for them. Sears is their track, and a win there is fitting. The McKenna Porsche's are still competitive. There was some great back-and-forth passing action between the Porsches and the BMWs. I think the new engines have evened the odds and now we're going to see some really interesting races. -peterg
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#5. Xenon HIDs - from Sean Ganess
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:53:04 -0400 From: "Sean Ganess" <Sean.Ganess@lostcluster.net> Subject: Xenon HIDs With all the past & present Xenon HID mods that are going around, has anyone done a comparison between all of them? How does the Phoenix Microlite mod compare to the do it yourself retrofit kit that Jim Powell & UUC Motorwerks (I will not call UUC Motorwerks for technical assistance on the HID conversion) outlined on their respective websites? I have a set of Euro headlamps that I would like to install with Xenon HIDs. I don't mind spending the $$$ for a quality install.
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#6. Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:46:04 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point I don't agree. The Porsche Street car is a much lighter car than the BMW and I am pretty sure that carries over to the race version. I am not 100% sure but I believe the Porsches make 350hp in race trim whereas the V8 is making somewhere near 400hp. I believe this is offset by the fact that the BMW weighs more... I could be wrong however... Mark From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Reply-To: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:15:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:09:31 -0700 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point On TV, they had the BMW factory cars taking 1 and 2, with PTG taking 3 and 4. ???? and I do think the V8's are unfair in my opinion. If I were Porsche, I would not even bother doing the series anymore. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Guagenti" <peter@guagenti.com> ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#7. Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:29:12 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point That's right, Team Schnitzer took 1-2, PTG following 3-4. Before us M3 owners start celebrating, note that this sweep will have pretty severe consequences for the next race with more restrictions placed on the new V8 M3s. I do believe that Porsche is pretty much screwed though since their next V8 based sports car (928 successor) is not due until 2005 or so. Bora At 6:15 PM -0500 7/22/01, Michael Lawrence wrote: >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:09:31 -0700 >From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point > >On TV, they had the BMW factory cars taking 1 and 2, with PTG taking 3 and >4. ???? > >and I do think the V8's are unfair in my opinion. If I were Porsche, I >would not even bother doing the series anymore. > >Mike >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Guagenti" <peter@guagenti.com> > > >************************************************************* >List Commands >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. >GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > >To issue a command/request to the server: >Send a message with the command you wish executed as the >subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. >************************************************************* --
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#8. FW: [CR] RESULTS - Sears Point ALMS race - BMW Motorsport - from Rich Gay
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:36:20 -0500 From: Rich Gay <rich_gay@mac.com> Subject: FW: [CR] RESULTS - Sears Point ALMS race - BMW Motorsport There is an explanation on the confusion about the finishing order of the #6 and #43 cars. - Rich ---------- From: SHUGHESBMW@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:15:08 EDT To: club-racing-list@bimmers.com Subject: [CR] RESULTS - Sears Point ALMS race - BMW Motorsport Race Sunday Round 3, American Le Mans Series 22 July 2001, Sonoma, Calif. BMW Motorsport victory in Sonoma GT class Munich/Sonoma. BMW Motorsport scored its second-consecutive GT victory in Le Mans Series racing, adding Sunday's American Le Mans Series victory on the 2.52-mile Sears Point Raceway road course to the team's May win in the European Le Mans Series at Jarama, Spain. JJ Lehto (FIN) started fourth in class in the No. 42 BMW M3 GTR and moved to third on the first lap. His co-driver Jorg Muller (D) took the wheel after the first hour of the two-hour 45-minute race and moved up to second place after a fast pit stop. Muller stopped during a subsequent caution period for four new tires, which gave him the speed he needed to take the class lead and hold it for the victory. Dirk Muller (D) started the No. 43 BMW M3 GTR from the pole position, but traded places with the No. 10 BMW Team PTG car driven by Bill Auberlen (USA) and Nic Jonsson (S). Fredrik Ekblom (S) took over at the one-hour mark and returned to the track in the lead. He held first until he was passed by Jorg Muller and by Hans Stuck in the No. 6 BMW Team PTG car. Ekblom passed Stuck on the last lap for second place, but the position was disallowed by series officials because of contact between the two cars. Ekblom and Dirk Muller finished third, the No. 6 BMW of Stuck and Boris Said (USA) finished second and the No. 10 finished fourth. BMW Motorsport team manager Charly Lamm: "The victory is a fantastic way to come back to America and continue our ALMS program. We saw very good drives from JJ and Jorg in BMW 42, and our decision for a second new set of tires which we put on Jorg's car during the second caution period paid off. BMW 43 had a strong race with Dirk and Fredrik, finishing second on the road, but we accept the steward's decision to put us back into third place after contact was made in the last corner by Fredrik." JJ Lehto #42: "It was surprising that we could be so competitive in the race. We've had problems all weekend, but in the race I just took it easy and kept up the pace. Jorg was fast right away and he won the class comfortably." Jorg Muller #42: "Never change a winning team -- don't forget JJ and Jorg! We struggled all weekend with our setup, but the key thing was that I took on new tires on the second stop. It was not easy, but thanks to the guys from PTG and Fredrik, they left me some space to overtake." Fredrik Ekblom #43: "Dirk drove well and I couldn't improve on it. Congratulations to our teammates for their victory. With Hans, it was a close racing incident. I tried to take second and we had slight contact. I congratulate Hans and Boris on second place, and I accept the steward's decision." Dirk Muller #43: "I'm really happy for the first place for our team again, same as Jarama. Congratulations to Jorg and JJ. They changed their tires and we didn't, and that was the race. But our car was perfect. Everybody on the team did a great job. We're coming back, race by race getting more points." _______________________________________________ BMW CR SIG Sponsors: http://www.motorsportimports.com (Motorsport Imports) http://www.hmsmotorsport.com (HMS Motorsport) http://www.bimmerworld.com (Bimmerworld) http://www.bmwcca.org (BMW Car Club of America) _______________________________________________ Reply to club-racing-list@bimmers.com http://lists.bimmers.com/mailman/listinfo/club-racing-list
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#9. Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:39:28 -0700 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> > I don't agree. The Porsche Street car is a much lighter car than the BMW > and I am pretty sure that carries over to the race version. I am not 100% > sure but I believe the Porsches make 350hp in race trim whereas the V8 is > making somewhere near 400hp. I believe this is offset by the fact that the > BMW weighs more... I could be wrong however... Uh? whos fault is that? Bmw didnt have to make the new M3 a fatass pig did they? No they COULD have made it lighter aswell. Those excuses dont fly at all. I am not anti BMW as some of you are trying to take this and run with it. I race a M3 LTW when I could have just as easily bought a 911. But I still dont think it is right they use a V8 and EVEN if they do produce a V8 M3, we will never see it, period. I just dont like seeing race cars that supposedly follow the street version turn into something that is not remotely compareable to what we can buy. I dont know the rules on the class but it should be to use the stock type motor with allowing displacement changes for competition purposes. I also dont like the idea of them using a V8 due to the fact, enough people are really going to bitch to the point the ruling body will do something that will put the M3s in a big disadvantage in the series. If they had stuck with the 6cylinders and petitioned a weight reduction, that would have made much more sense to me. Mike
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#10. Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:19:40 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3's @ Sears Point Re: >I also dont like the idea of them using a V8 due to the fact, enough people >are really going to bitch to the point the ruling body will do something >that will put the M3s in a big disadvantage in the series. If they had >stuck with the 6cylinders and petitioned a weight reduction, that would have >made much more sense to me. Unlike some of the BMW-oriented magazines, _Excellence_ (A Porsche magazine) often writes about the competition in a frank, repectful and unusually candid manner. As re the V8 M3s, they point out in the latest issue that Porsche has never even sold a street 911 GT1 (and I suspect Mercedes never sold a street CLK GTR), so there is a feeling that on this matter, Porsche will receive little sympathy from the governing bodies. To me the V8 M3 seems unfair in its class. That said, after driving a 2001 M5, all I can say is boy, would I like to race in a V8-powered BMW! Maybe my wife can cajole the guy who parks his Z8 at her work into loaning it for some club races ..... :-) -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com