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#1. RE: [E36M3] Fuel Gauge Tango Uniform - from Mel Silva
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:36:24 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fuel Gauge Tango Uniform Check the Jim Powell web page http://www.apexcone.com/ and I think you will find the answer to your questions. Apparently the resistive coil that is used to measure the fuel in the tank can actually "wear" out. Think of it like the bad mating of a toilet "float valve" and a slot car throttle control. A wiper "floats" up and down on this coil and as the fuel level drops the wiper descends this resistive coil changing the voltage returned to the gauge. Let's assume that someone never let their fuel level go below 3/4 full. As soon as they used 1/4 tank, they filled up again, this is exaggerated to make a point. Then the top 1/4 of the coil is all that they would ever utilize and it they could find significant wear in this area. Jim found it in his fuel level sending unit, check his pages or send him an email and ask him. The address is on his page. Have Fun, Mel > -----Original Message----- > From: Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR > [mailto:chris.darling@scott.af.mil] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:22 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Fuel Gauge Tango Uniform > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:18:38 -0500 > From: Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR <chris.darling@scott.af.mil> > Subject: Fuel Gauge Tango Uniform > > I petition the collective wisdom of the group. > > It appears the fuel gauge in my 95 M3 (87K miles) is shot. For days after > every fill-up (in last 2 months) the gauge will alternate with showing > either completely empty (with light on) or completely full. And > the needle > won't move a significant amount as fuel is burned. Once the tank > gets about > half empty (based upon mileage traveled since fill up) the gauge will > suddenly seem to come to life again and function correctly until > the rest of > the tank is empty. > > Any ideas? What might be wrong? Does this sound like an > electrical problem > or mechanical one? What kind of repair bill am I facing? Any > advice would > be appreciated! > ------------------------------------ end > Cod > Major Chris Darling > HQ AMC/CEXR > DSN 779-0698, Comm (618) 229-0698 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:45:59 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 I just wish they would release these games for PC. They would be so much better on PC. BOO. Need for Speed : Porsche Unleashed is pretty top notch. And of course the greatest car game of all time, Gran Prix Legends, is on PC. Mark Radelow 95 ///M3 91 GTi 16v 88 Chevy Fullsize From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> Reply-To: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:32:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:28:36 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 If the physics in GT3 are anything like GT2 and GT, then they are appropriately accurate. I have GT2 and GT and have marveled at the accuracy of the physical model. Of course they do limit things like roll-overs, car damage, and being able to pull a Jeff Gordon, and tap the rear quarter of your opponents and make them spin off. While I was still in CA, the GT2 team contacted the Norcal Shelby Club that I also affiliate myself with, to get some of the clubs more "remarkable" cars out to do some testing at Laguna Seca. They had a very sophisticated accelerometer, G-force accumulator systems that they used to "record" an electronic model of the handling characteristics of several cars. The GT350, GT500, GT40, Shelby Cobra, among a few others that are available in GT2 "are" electronic models of club member cars, as well as the electronic model of Laguna Seca. If you check the credits electronically or on page 41 of the User Manual, you will find the names of several Norcal Shelby Club members. Bottom line, I'm sure it's worth the $50, but YMMV. Mel > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff_Wingstrom@jackmorton.com > [mailto:Jeff_Wingstrom@jackmorton.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:12 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Re: GT3 > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:58:39 -0500 > From: Jeff_Wingstrom@jackmorton.com > Subject: Re: GT3 > > > <<And be sure you get the Logitech Steering Wheel & Pedals designed for > the game. Amazing! Laguna Seca looks and feels like Laguna Seca.>> > > I've heard a lot about the graphics, but how about the physics? I've > seen a few reports that 1) you can't spin other cars by hitting them, > and 2) there's no car-damage in the game. Also heard the AI is really > dumb, the opponents travel in packs.. I'm still dying to try the game > though. > > I'm still a Sports Car GT addict, dates from 1999 and is still eerie it > seems so real.. anyone else play this one? Logitech wheel/pedals > required for best effect, of course. It's as close as I've gotten to > driving on a real track and probably as close as I'll get in the near > future.. my '97's going out of warranty next month.. :0 > > -Jeff > '97 M3 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#3. Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:00:05 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? on 7/25/01 1:42 PM, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > Just wondering what's the likelihood of getting a bad flywheel covered under > warranty? a) Beats me <g> b) What are the symptoms of a bad flywheel? Neil 96 M3
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#4. GT3 Opponents - from Ed Tang
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> Subject: GT3 Opponents Jeff wrote: > I've heard a lot about the graphics, but how about > the physics? I've seen a few reports that 1) you > can't spin other cars > by hitting them, > and 2) there's no car-damage in the game. Also > heard the AI is really > dumb, the opponents travel in packs.. I'm still > dying to try the game > though. The physics are good. The Logitech steering wheel does enhance the game although it has that gear teeth gnashing that you have to get used to. Bottom line is that the steering is light years from any column you tried to calibrate for GT or GT2. You just can't use a column for those two. Opponent AI is still terrible. I never liked it on the previous games and they remain the same. It seems that they have a pre-programmed line through the track and if you happen to be there you WILL get bumped. You can be half a car length in front them and they WILL turn in on you. I still prefer the Sega Ferrari 355 opponents (if anyone has ever played it, especially the arcade console). And why the heck didn't BMW put the ///M in the game? All you get is the 328 Ci. Seriously, are they just depending on real world magazine shootouts to platform the new ///M? GT3 obviously had a LOT of factory support b/c of the potential of the game to whet consumer appetites. You really can't give out secrets on the cars b/c anyone can get their hands on one and reverse engineer the car. It just blows my mind that there is only one BMW model in the game. Ed Tang 95 Cosmos M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 - from Juan Rico
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:03:04 -0700 From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 Have you tried "Formula 1" form EA Sports for PC? With a steering wheel and paddle shifter it's unbeatable... Simply amazing. Juan. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Radelow [mailto:radelow@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:52 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:45:59 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 I just wish they would release these games for PC. They would be so much better on PC. BOO. Need for Speed : Porsche Unleashed is pretty top notch. And of course the greatest car game of all time, Gran Prix Legends, is on PC. Mark Radelow 95 ///M3 91 GTi 16v 88 Chevy Fullsize From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> Reply-To: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:32:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:28:36 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: GT3 If the physics in GT3 are anything like GT2 and GT, then they are appropriately accurate. I have GT2 and GT and have marveled at the accuracy of the physical model. Of course they do limit things like roll-overs, car damage, and being able to pull a Jeff Gordon, and tap the rear quarter of your opponents and make them spin off. While I was still in CA, the GT2 team contacted the Norcal Shelby Club that I also affiliate myself with, to get some of the clubs more "remarkable" cars out to do some testing at Laguna Seca. They had a very sophisticated accelerometer, G-force accumulator systems that they used to "record" an electronic model of the handling characteristics of several cars. The GT350, GT500, GT40, Shelby Cobra, among a few others that are available in GT2 "are" electronic models of club member cars, as well as the electronic model of Laguna Seca. If you check the credits electronically or on page 41 of the User Manual, you will find the names of several Norcal Shelby Club members. Bottom line, I'm sure it's worth the $50, but YMMV. Mel > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff_Wingstrom@jackmorton.com > [mailto:Jeff_Wingstrom@jackmorton.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:12 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Re: GT3 > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:58:39 -0500 > From: Jeff_Wingstrom@jackmorton.com > Subject: Re: GT3 > > > <<And be sure you get the Logitech Steering Wheel & Pedals designed for > the game. Amazing! Laguna Seca looks and feels like Laguna Seca.>> > > I've heard a lot about the graphics, but how about the physics? I've > seen a few reports that 1) you can't spin other cars by hitting them, > and 2) there's no car-damage in the game. Also heard the AI is really > dumb, the opponents travel in packs.. I'm still dying to try the game > though. > > I'm still a Sports Car GT addict, dates from 1999 and is still eerie it > seems so real.. anyone else play this one? Logitech wheel/pedals > required for best effect, of course. It's as close as I've gotten to > driving on a real track and probably as close as I'll get in the near > future.. my '97's going out of warranty next month.. :0 > > -Jeff > '97 M3 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? > a) Beats me <g> > b) What are the symptoms of a bad flywheel? - When the car is started for the first time in a while, a loud rattling noise can be heard...sounds like a more pronounced VANOS failure problem - When the car idles a few minutes after initial startup, a rattling can be heard like a LTW flywheel except a bit more subdued. - Moving the car from a standstill very slowly (very light acceleration without being aggressive with the clutch) will lead to a back and forth herky-jerky motion. Cla-Clunk...Cla-Clunk...Cla-Clunk...Cla-Clunk...Cla-Clunk... Basically, the friction material between the two masses is shot. Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Fuel Gauge Tango Uniform - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:26:18 -0400 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fuel Gauge Tango Uniform Here is the actual BMW bulletin: Situation: Three separate, but related complaints may be encountered: A) The fuel gauge displays an incorrect level. For example, the gauge appears to stick at approximately 1/2. B) The fuel gauge does not show maximum level when the tank is filled. C) The fuel gauge reading "drops" during cranking. Causes: Three causes may exist for these complaints: A) Left-hand side fuel level sender (P/N 16 14 1 180 517) sticking (causes gauge to appear to stick at approximately 1/2). B) Pump nozzle shuts off prematurely when filling fuel tank, creating the incorrect impression that the fuel tank is full, and the fuel gauge does not show the maximum level. C) Instrument cluster misinterpretation of low voltage at "ti" signal input causing a drop in fuel gauge reading during cranking. This misinterpretation is caused by the Instrument Cluster being kept "awake" with ignition switched off (for example, "Key in Ignition" warning), and interpreting low voltage at pin 21, connector X16 as "continuous injection" and therefore adjusting the displayed fuel level downwards. This only applies to Instrument Clusters with Hardware Number less than 5.4 (VDO) or 10.6 (MotoMeter). Corrections: Because several different causes could result in the complaint of "Fuel Gauge Displays Inaccurate Fuel Tank Level," a troubleshooting chart is attached to aid in accurate and efficient diagnosis. Before making a decision as to which of the corrective measures listed below is applied, follow the attached troubleshooting chart. For Situation A: E36 vehicles produced prior to 08/91 and exhibiting complaint "A" as described above should have an improved left-hand side fuel level sender (P/N 16 14 1 180 517) installed. The improved fuel level sender bears a date code stamp of "9.91" or later. Note: This complaint will usually cause Fault Code 10 to be stored in the Instrument Cluster Fault Memory. For Situation B: E36 vehicles exhibiting complaint "B" as described above should have the breather line inspected for restriction and position. Refer to Service Information bulletin 16 01 92 (3553) for this procedure. For Situation C: For Instrument Cluster with HW Number less than 5.4 (VDO) or 10.6 (MotoMeter) only: Troubleshoot system as per attached chart and install resistor harness adapter (P/N 62 11 9 066 812) as per attached instructions. Notes: 1) The Parts Department only stocks P/N 16 14 1 180 517 bearing date code stamps of "9.91" or later. 2) Situations A & B cannot be rectified by the replacement of the Instrument Cluster. Instrument Cluster replacement should only be performed for an inaccurate fuel gauge complaint when troubleshooting by the attached chart reveals the gauge as defective (step 2a). 3) Situation C can be resolved by the installation of the resistor adapter harness (P/N 62 11 9 066 812) if the Hardware Number is below 5.4 (VDO) or 10.6 (MotoMeter). Clusters with Hardware Numbers above these limits should not have this adapter harness installed. The latest part numbers for the sending units are: LEFT: 16 14 6 758 255 RIGHT: 16 14 6 758 736 Cheers, Jim E. Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:18:38 -0500 From: Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR <chris.darling@scott.af.mil> Subject: Fuel Gauge Tango Uniform I petition the collective wisdom of the group. It appears the fuel gauge in my 95 M3 (87K miles) is shot. For days after every fill-up (in last 2 months) the gauge will alternate with showing either completely empty (with light on) or completely full. And the needle won't move a significant amount as fuel is burned. Once the tank gets about half empty (based upon mileage traveled since fill up) the gauge will suddenly seem to come to life again and function correctly until the rest of the tank is empty. Any ideas? What might be wrong? Does this sound like an electrical problem or mechanical one? What kind of repair bill am I facing? Any advice would be appreciated! ------------------------------------ end Cod Major Chris Darling HQ AMC/CEXR DSN 779-0698, Comm (618) 229-0698 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? - from NickG
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:35:05 -0400 From: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? > > b) What are the symptoms of a bad flywheel? > > - When the car is started for the first time in a while, a loud rattling noise > can be heard...sounds like a more pronounced VANOS failure problem This doesn't make sense to me. There's nothing in the flywheel that could 'settle' or be influenced by sitting for a long time with inactivity. Maybe you really do have a VANOS noise, or even a bad chain tensioner or lifter. Or, like my car, your catalytic converter could be breaking up, causing a rattling noise upon startup. > - When the car idles a few minutes after initial startup, a rattling can be > heard like a LTW flywheel except a bit more subdued. Like I said above, it might be the converter breaking up. > Basically, the friction material between the two masses is shot. There's no friction material in the dual-mass flywheel. It has springs and gears within to mate the two masses. Check out the Sachs website for a detailed description and diagram of it. Nick '95 M3 turbo
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:35:16 -0400 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:00:05 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? > > > b) What are the symptoms of a bad flywheel? I'm not sure about the symptoms but could the cause be Chester's left foot? LOL! :-) Jim
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? True, there are springs in the flywheel, but there is also fluid (supposedly). Here's some literature: "Damping is accomplished by a hydraulic system. Damping chambers and spring housings are filled with a special temperature-resistant grease and are permanently sealed. This grease is carried in the outer cavity between the flywheels and is uniformly distributed by centrifugal force. The grease is forced into all available gaps and spaces by the normal motion between the primary and secondary flywheels, and this produces a constant damping effect during operation." Do you think the hydraulic fluid might affected by temp? Yes, it's temperature resistant, but I'm sure the properties of the fluid varies with temp. I've had a bad VANOS in the past and this noise is definitely not it. Your theory of a failing cat might be right...dunno. But the other night after pulling out of the garage and driving about 3 blocks, I stopped at a red light. There were no other cars or any other noises for that matter, ...and I was able to hear a rattling (very similar to what I heard from a fellow list member's LTW flywheel equipped car) echoing off of the parked cars. Do you think it would be possible to rotate the two masses with your bare hands with minimal effort? I have a shot flywheel on my hallway floor...and it's pretty easy turning the outer wheel w.r.t the inner wheel. I think my flywheel is shot as well. Chester --- NickG <nikog@mediaone.net> wrote: > > > b) What are the symptoms of a bad flywheel? > > > > - When the car is started for the first time in a while, a loud rattling > noise > > can be heard...sounds like a more pronounced VANOS failure problem > > This doesn't make sense to me. There's nothing in the flywheel that could > 'settle' or be influenced by sitting for a long time with inactivity. Maybe > you really do have a VANOS noise, or even a bad chain tensioner or lifter. > Or, like my car, your catalytic converter could be breaking up, causing a > rattling noise upon startup. > > > - When the car idles a few minutes after initial startup, a rattling can > be > > heard like a LTW flywheel except a bit more subdued. > > Like I said above, it might be the converter breaking up. > > > Basically, the friction material between the two masses is shot. > > There's no friction material in the dual-mass flywheel. It has springs and > gears within to mate the two masses. Check out the Sachs website for a > detailed description and diagram of it. > > Nick > '95 M3 turbo > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Anyone get flywheel warranty coverage? > > b) What are the symptoms of a bad flywheel? > > I'm not sure about the symptoms but could the cause be Chester's left foot? > LOL! > :-) Yeah...you wait and see the next time you're stooping over your car...I'll give you a good rattle with my left foot! Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/