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#1. Email Address update - from Mel Silva
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:33:35 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: Email Address update Hi all, Sorry for the broadcast slam. Covad has sold the rights to their DSL accounts to MindSpring so I had to get a new email address. Please change my address to melsilva@mindspring.com (mailto:melsilva@mindspring.com). Thank you, Mel
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#2. Re: E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:04:02 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement on 8/7/01 2:31 PM, "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> wrote: > I mentioned that I reinforced my new underpanel before installing it on my > E36 M3. Here is a link to the photo album. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1090300&a=13603061 > > Again, Neil Maller has done some extensive work (and documented instructions) > on reinforcing the leading edge of the underpanel as well as the attachment > points for the porkchops and fender liners. Rich, Nice pix. I especially like the way you formed the metal into a tight U shape so that it wraps the mounting tab on both faces. I wish I'd thought of that when I reinforced the wheel arch liners. The only additional suggestion I'd make is to extend your sheet metal reinforcement down the vertical side of the shroud, so that it also could also be riveted there. That way mounting integrity wouldn't rely just on the strength of the mounting tab area. Don't know that this is actually necessary, just my tendency to over-engineer! Neil 96 M3
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#3. RE: E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:15:32 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: RE: E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement Neil says: >The only additional suggestion I'd make is to extend your sheet metal >reinforcement down the vertical side of the shroud, so that it also could >also be riveted there. That way mounting integrity wouldn't rely just on the >strength of the mounting tab area. Don't know that this is actually >necessary, just my tendency to over-engineer! Neil makes a great recommendation. I should have bent the metal down the side of the underpanel to further reinforce the entire attachment point. All the rest of the list can build from my mistakes and shortcomings. I can't even begin to imagine all the mistakes I have avoided due to this list's experiences. Thanks as always. Regards, Rich
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#4. Re: RSM, Exhaust, or Diff? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:50:14 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: RSM, Exhaust, or Diff? on 8/7/01 2:31 PM, "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> wrote: > Darn it!!! I was, almost, hoping for RSMs since I was going to replace them > anyway when I replace the shocks. Turns out it's a broken rear sway bar > bracket tab (or whatever the "real" name is). > > Don't know if I can get somewhere this weekend to get everything taken care > of at once, but if not I may just get down hand have the tab welded back on. > Would it be better to wait until I get reinforcement tabs, or should I > just do this as a temp fix until I do it all at once? Do it all at once. I don't think you can get a usefully strong weld without having some kind of reinforcing bracket to triangulate the tab. Also that area isn't very easy to work in, so it's not something your welder will want to revisit. Either have the welder fab a reinforcement, or get 'em from Turner. > or even just go with a <gasp> Dinan Stagewhatever set up that uses rubber > bushings and smaller bars (never heard of any broken parts from Dinan systems, > but maybe that's because I can't name many people that have them). I believe that Dinan may have been the first to recognize this weakness in the E36 rear swaybar tabs, since even a couple of years ago they used to reinforce them by welding in a plate of some kind. Neil 96 m3
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#5. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement - from Joe Kannookadan
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:05:12 -0500 From: "Joe Kannookadan" <joe.kannookadan@sourcelight.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement Hey, what does everyone think of having a Virtual E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement Show? Hosted by BMW NA? --- joe - j/k :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:15:32 -0400 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: RE: E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement > > Neil says: > > >The only additional suggestion I'd make is to extend your sheet metal > >reinforcement down the vertical side of the shroud, so that it also could > >also be riveted there. That way mounting integrity wouldn't rely just on > the > >strength of the mounting tab area. Don't know that this is actually > >necessary, just my tendency to over-engineer! > > > Neil makes a great recommendation. I should have bent the metal down the > side of the underpanel to further reinforce the entire attachment point. > > All the rest of the list can build from my mistakes and shortcomings. I > can't even begin to imagine all the mistakes I have avoided due to this > list's experiences. Thanks as always. > > Regards, > > Rich > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* >
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#6. Re: Rear sway bar reinforcing mounts - SURVEY - from Joe Tan
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rear sway bar reinforcing mounts - SURVEY Seth, Are you implying that I shouln't install bigger sway bars if my car has the stock suspension? I was planning to install RD sway bars for my car to reduce the body rolls but I don't want to lower my car with stiff spring cause it's my daily driver. Will my sway bar tabs tear off if I do? Joe. '98 M3/4 Seth Thomas wrote: > This has been mentioned before and I don't think it is right to narrow it > down to one aftermarket company making sway bars that will not tear the > mounts. Unless you are sponsored by them, Chester ;). Anyway back to my > point. The reason the tabs fail on our cars is that we add aftermarket sway > bars with springs that are not strong enough or matched to the sway bars. > When we do this we transfer a lot of the suspension work from the springs to > the sway bars. This adds a lot of stress to those mounts and they start > cracking. Having Eibachs, RDs, UUC or whoever's sway bars has nothing to do > with the mounts cracking. The only thing that it has to do with is you > creating stress on these mounts by not using proper spring rates for the > bars. Just a quick example of my car. It has RD sway bars set at full > stiff and has had this setup for quite a while. My car has been tracked a > lot and has a fully modified suspension. I run R-compound tires at all > track events I go to. It has 58,000 miles on it and my tabs are perfect. > No flex, cracks or any signs of abuse. My sprig rates are 450# fronts and > 600# rears. > > So you guys can take this how you want to but the reason the tabs fail is > not the design of the bars. Mine would have failed already if that were so. > It is because the cars are undersprung for the thicker bars. > > Seth Thomas > www.m3ltw.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Rear sway bar reinforcing mounts - SURVEY - from twisty M3
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Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:16:48 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Rear sway bar reinforcing mounts - SURVEY I can't speak for Seth or anyone else, but I can give you my experience. The only "aftermarket" suspension components I have so far are the RD Sport bars. I love the way the car feels with them... BUT This is what I've experienced so far. Three broken brackets on the front bar, mounting screw torn from the sheet metal on the front bar and one rear bracket mount torn off (so far). On the front bar, a change to the rubber bushings from the 850csi seems to have solved all squeeking and breakage problems so I was extremely content until the other day when the rear broke (still has poly bushings). Based on this, I'd say that, if you can find rubber bushings for the rear bar as well, you may be able to get away with it. Otherwise, I think it may just be a matter of time before something breaks (at least the brackets are inexpensive and don't require welding!). Just one guy's experience, Jonathan >From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> > >Seth, > >Are you implying that I shouln't install bigger sway >bars if my car has the stock suspension? I was >planning to install RD sway bars for my car to reduce >the body rolls but I don't want to lower my car with >stiff spring cause it's my daily driver. Will my sway >bar tabs tear off if I do? > >Joe. >'98 M3/4 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Rear sway bar reinforcing mounts - SURVEY - from twisty M3
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Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:16:46 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Rear sway bar reinforcing mounts - SURVEY I can't speak for Seth or anyone else, but I can give you my experience. The only "aftermarket" suspension components I have so far are the RD Sport bars. I love the way the car feels with them... BUT This is what I've experienced so far. Three broken brackets on the front bar, mounting screw torn from the sheet metal on the front bar and one rear bracket mount torn off (so far). On the front bar, a change to the rubber bushings from the 850csi seems to have solved all squeeking and breakage problems so I was extremely content until the other day when the rear broke (still has poly bushings). Based on this, I'd say that, if you can find rubber bushings for the rear bar as well, you may be able to get away with it. Otherwise, I think it may just be a matter of time before something breaks (at least the brackets are inexpensive and don't require welding!). Just one guy's experience, Jonathan >From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> > >Seth, > >Are you implying that I shouln't install bigger sway >bars if my car has the stock suspension? I was >planning to install RD sway bars for my car to reduce >the body rolls but I don't want to lower my car with >stiff spring cause it's my daily driver. Will my sway >bar tabs tear off if I do? > >Joe. >'98 M3/4 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#9. Help! - Do You Know Warning Triangle Part Number? - from Mark McHarry
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:05:43 -0500 From: "Mark McHarry" <MarkMcHarry@compuserve.com> Subject: Help! - Do You Know Warning Triangle Part Number? If you have a 95 Euro delivery M3, could you please e-mail me the part number for the warning triangle? The triangle should be in a blue plastic box that fits in the upper right of the trunk, just under the lid. BMW San Francisco lost mine, and after several weeks got me a replacement in a black leather bag which doesn't fit. Thanks, -- Mark Mark McHarry 95 M3 ITZTLI BMW CCA Golden Gate Chapter
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Help! - Do You Know Warning Triangle Part Number? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:06:36 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jbassett@geysernetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Help! - Do You Know Warning Triangle Part Number? > If you have a 95 Euro delivery M3, could you please e-mail me the part > number for the warning triangle? The triangle should be in a > blue plastic > box that fits in the upper right of the trunk, just under the lid. Well, I don't have a '95 Euro delivery M3, but I still have my July Roundel. In the article on the M-Mobility System, the warning triangle is referenced: PN 82 11 1 466 578 Hope that Helps, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4