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#1. Re: [E36M3] Inability to Dyno E46 M3's - from Robert Liu
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Liu <bob_a_liu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Inability to Dyno E46 M3's Sounds like a traction control issue. Maybe it's necessary to deactivate the system? Bob --- Chad Armstrong <caarmstrong@epicor.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:20:38 -0700 > From: Chad Armstrong <caarmstrong@epicor.com> > Subject: Inability to Dyno E46 M3's > > Hey All, > > I have heard a rumor and would like to hear from all > of you about it > validity. I have heard that you cannot dyno an E46 > M3. Ok, here's what > happens...the car senses that if the back wheels > start turning at a much > higher rate than the front wheels at 6500rpm the > computer kicks something > like a rev-limiter. So in turn you cannot find out > peakHP on a Dyno. So > has anyone actually dynoed an e46 M3 that could > either validate or kill this > rumor? > > If it is true then it make me wonder what BMW is > trying to hide. Also if > true will the "chip" tuners be able to take out this > feature. > > Thanks, > Chad Armstrong > 99 M3 Confortied and Eibached. > 85 911 Race Car...too much to list > > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > ===== ------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Liu bob_a_liu@yahoo.com ICQ# 22765210 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Inability to Dyno E46 M3's - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:37:48 -0400 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] Inability to Dyno E46 M3's Chad Armstrong [mailto:caarmstrong@epicor.com] wrote: > > I have heard a rumor and would like to hear from all of you about > it validity. I have heard that you cannot dyno an E46 M3. Ok, > here's what happens...the car senses that if the back wheels start > turning at a much higher rate than the front wheels at 6500rpm the > computer kicks something like a rev-limiter. So in turn you cannot > find out peakHP on a Dyno. Chad, Sounds like you are describing traction control in action. Traction control must be turned off before one tries to dyno a car. It had to be done on E36 cars and I bet E46s are not any different. alex f
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#3. [E36M3] Nomex or Not? - from twisty M3
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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:00:26 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Nomex or Not? Hello all, I'm about to order a helmet (Simpson Super Voyager) this afternoon, and I have a choice of the fancy Nomex lined version, or the typical nylon. Any suggestions? I don't think any of the HPDE events I've attended have required Nomex, but I haven't paid it much attention since I've always had to rent or borrow someone else's head lice. ;) Aside from my head catching on fire, is it worthwhile to spend the extra clams? For what it's worth, I don't plan on doing any club racing just yet, but I would end up using this helmet if I start checking out the Kart scene. Oh, and any suggestion for comfortable gloves that exhibit good "feel" are more than welcome. Thanks for any help, Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Inability to Dyno E46 M3's - from twisty M3
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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:55:40 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Inability to Dyno E46 M3's I *think* it's even more complex than that. Yes, I do believe it is the traction control, DSC or whatever they're calling it now, but I think you have to go so far as to remove a fuse to actually get a good dyno run. I think the Evosport guys have managed to get a realistic dyno completed, so maybe they can give some feedback here? Jonathan L. >From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com > >Chad, >Sounds like you are describing traction control in action. >Traction control must be turned off before one tries to dyno a car. It had >to be done on E36 cars and I bet E46s are not any different. > >alex f > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Nomex or Not? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:39:58 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Nomex or Not? At 01:07 PM 10/2/01, twisty M3 wrote: >I'm about to order a helmet (Simpson Super Voyager) this afternoon, and I >have a choice of the fancy Nomex lined version, or the typical nylon. Any >suggestions? Are they both SA-rated? If not, go with the SA-rated one. If they both are, I'd go with the Nomex lined one. >Oh, and any suggestion for comfortable gloves that exhibit good "feel" are >more than welcome. The Sparco Profi gloves I use are very comfortable. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Nomex or Not? - from Jeremy Lucas
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:55:00 -0400 From: "Jeremy Lucas" <jlucas@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Nomex or Not? ----- Original Message ----- From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> > I'm about to order a helmet (Simpson Super Voyager) this afternoon, and I > have a choice of the fancy Nomex lined version, or the typical nylon. Any > suggestions? I think you'll find that the non-nomex helmet is not Snell SA2000 rated. One of the requirements of SA2000 is a fire resistant lining. So if you choose not to get the SA2000 rated helmet some clubs will not let you use the helmet. It seems to vary widely as to who requires it but it definately seems like more and more are requiring SA rated helmets especially for next year as they are all re-writing their requirements now that Snell M2000 and SA2000 are widely available now and old M90 or SA90 helmets should no longer be used. 2 of the 5 events I've been to this year have required a SA rated helmet, and a least one other is going to require it next year. > Oh, and any suggestion for comfortable gloves that exhibit good "feel" are > more than welcome. I have some Sparco Super Pro gloves that are awesome in terms of feel. They are kinda pricey (retail $110) but being a motorcyclist I have found that you get what you pay for when it comes to gloves. Maybe someone else has some good experience with something less expensive, but definitely go with something with external stitching and leather palms. Jeremy Lucas Delaware, OH 95 M3
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#7. Re: Inability to Dyno E46 M3's - from Josh
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 15:13:48 -0600 From: Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com> Subject: Re: Inability to Dyno E46 M3's The E46 M3 can be dyno tested, but you must first perform a series of steps to prevent the vehicle from going into a less than stock default rev limit mode. In order to test the car you must first switch the car on and hold down the traction control button for 10 sec. You then start the car and do a dyno run up to the 6500rpm rev limit. You then turn off the car and switch it back on and hold down the traction control button for 10 sec. Without cycling the ignition key you start the car and do your dyno test. As long as you don't turn the car off you can continue to do runs and will only be limited by how much cooling you have at the dyno. BTW The performance of the Motorsport engine in the new M3 is absolutely phenomenal. When you compare it to a US E36 M3 there really isn't a comparison. When I get a chance I will post the dyno comparison of the E36 to E46 M3 to my website. My car ended up putting out an estimated 346hp at the crank. Josh Eurosport (801) 886 2185 www.eurosporthighperformance.com At 02:37 PM 10/2/2001 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------- 10 -------------------- >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:20:38 -0700 >From: Chad Armstrong <caarmstrong@epicor.com> >Subject: Inability to Dyno E46 M3's > >Hey All, > >I have heard a rumor and would like to hear from all of you about it >validity. I have heard that you cannot dyno an E46 M3. Ok, here's what >happens...the car senses that if the back wheels start turning at a much >higher rate than the front wheels at 6500rpm the computer kicks something >like a rev-limiter. So in turn you cannot find out peakHP on a Dyno. So >has anyone actually dynoed an e46 M3 that could either validate or kill this >rumor? > >If it is true then it make me wonder what BMW is trying to hide. Also if >true will the "chip" tuners be able to take out this feature. > >Thanks, >Chad Armstrong >99 M3 Confortied and Eibached. >85 911 Race Car...too much to list
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#8. Re: Want a fast sports coupe?/E46M3/E36 3.2 cam kit - from Josh
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 17:19:25 -0600 From: Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com> Subject: Re: Want a fast sports coupe?/E46M3/E36 3.2 cam kit At 05:47 PM 10/1/2001 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------- 11 -------------------- >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:30:47 US/Pacific >From: peter@guagenti.com >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Want a fast sports coupe? > > > Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR (at least when they don't go airborne...). They > were > > built purely for the reason of satisfying the ACO's homologation rules and > >Does this bother _anyone else_ but me? The whole point of the E30M3 was to >create a no-holds-barred, barely street legal, racing version >3-series. That's >what always excited me about that car. But evolution happened. > >When the E36 came out, they got away from this a bit. But you're willing to >overlook it for the fact that better the S50US then nothing at all. Then >they >made a sedan -- an automatic! -- and a convertible. The car is still >extremely >powerful and great handling, a magnificent car or we all wouldn't have bought >it, but they started to dilute the brand. > >Now we have the E46M3. If you listen to the automotive journalists, it's the >best thing since sliced bread. I don't believe it. It's hot and all, but >it's >still a luxo-barge. A damn fast one, but not what the name stood for in the >beginning. <snip><snip><snip> "Luxo-Barge" wait a just a second........... The E46 M3 has more Motorsport in it than the US E36 M3 ever had and it all starts (but doesn't stop) with the motor. In fact, the motor was/is the single biggest and most important difference that separated all of the early M cars including the first M3 from their non-M car counterparts. And unfortunately, the US version M3 never got a Motorsport engine. Remember, we are talking about a 250lb difference between the E46M3 and the E36 M3 and the E46 M3 has bigger brakes, wheels, tires, swaybars, 6speed transmission, differential, stiffer chassis, better sport seats, etc. I would like to see a real apples to apples weight comparison of a US E36 M3 with the same re-enforcements to the chassis that would make it equal in stiffness to the E46 M3 along with the bigger brakes, wheels, and tires and then see how we end up reproving the theory of "there's no such thing as a free lunch" So lets do a quick out-of-the-box comparo The S54 E46 M3 engine just so happens to have -6 throttles (instead of one on a bored and stroked 2.5liter civilian engine) -sodium filled exhaust valves -solid lifters -headers -40% less exhaust back pressure than the E36 -8000rpm rev limit -oil cooler that connects to an oil temp (not mpg) gauge -and a whole bunch of other cool @#!$it that would take way too long to list Stiffer chassis (to the point where the difference could even be detected by your grandma's chassis stiffness butt dyno) bigger brakes bigger wheels bigger tires stiffer suspension aluminum hood incredible differential with silly traction (I hate to wax technical and all) 6speeds (need I say more) smoother more powerful and responsive acceleration hmmm I wonder why;-) bigger and more heavy duty drive-line components more aggressive sport seats Now if you are bothered by the fact that the new M3 has literally a handful more of available options than were offered on your E36 then just don't order them or buy a car without them, or take them off. Full comprehension of the E46 M3 does not come from a single test drive at the dealer, but from a good weeks worth of driving experiences. The most deceptive part about the car is the fact that the engineering evolution of BMW Motorsport as exists in the E46 M3 is so potent that it fools you into thinking that there might be nothing there when in reality most of what is there is on a different level at a significantly higher rate of speed. It truly is an M car in that it requires an Autobahn to reveal the full depth of its sometimes deceptive and even enigmatic abilities. I have a sneaking suspicion that a few days in the cockpit of the E46 M3 would cause Peter to forget entirely the term "Luxo-Barge" and might even cause him to hear things like "turn off the car and put your hands in the air where we can see them" ;-) Regards, Josh www.eurosporthighperformance.com BTW if you are interested in seeing the results of last weeks dyno tests on the upcoming 96-99 3.2L M3 cam kit you can see them on a hidden link on my website at www.eurosporthighperformance.com\cams.html Josh MacMurray Eurosport Your source for Jim Conforti / Landshark products Shark Injectors and Shark Intake Systems Phone 801 886 2185 fax 801 886 2189 www.eurosporthighperformance.com
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#9. Euro Headlamps w/ Xenons - from Robert Exconde
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:31:25 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde" <99e36m3@exconde.com> Subject: Euro Headlamps w/ Xenons One Month after getting my M3, I installed the Euros plus the HIDS. I bought the Euros from Supreme Power PArts, and the HIDs from ProCarPArts. The first set if HIDs I got in the mail were broken. One had a broken shield, the second was so bent that it wouldn't fit in the socket. When I got a useable set I found that the bulbs were of low quality. They were still crooked, but I installed them anyway...The left bulb was okay, the right is a bit off still; it is still bright, I'm experiencing the void in the right headlamp that Mr. Tang eluded to. My advice is to buy the euros as well as the HIDs from Supreme Power. While the ballasts are the same, the bulbs are very different (mine from procarparts are basically crap). Saving the $150 isnt that too big a deal when you can get it done right the first time. Robert --------------------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Euro lights - from Joe Kannookadan
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:18:23 -0500 From: "Joe Kannookadan" <joe.kannookadan@sourcelight.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro lights Thanks for the p/n's Chester... I ended up ordering from Joe Chavez @ Nick Alexander. The last p/n apparently is superceded by 61 13 0 007 450. Some of you asked why I don't have the connectors... I got the lights second hand from a guy moving from Germany to the UK. To register his car there, he had to convert his lights to RHD. And so, here they are. Thanks all! --- joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro lights > Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:21:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro lights > > I believe you need part numbers: > > 61 13 1 392 222 qty: 2 (4 pol connector) > 61 13 1 376 202 qty: 4 (if you're not doing city lights, otherwise 6) > 61 13 1 376 204 qty: 2 (for the two grounds going into one...will make your > life easier) > > There's also a very good crimper for the job that makes life so much easier and > makes the connections better. I'll have to look it up at home if you're > interested. > > The round connectors go for $9 each and the pins are like $1 each. > > Chester > > > --- Joe Kannookadan <joe.kannookadan@sourcelight.com> wrote: > > I just received my Euro headlamps. I was hoping someone could lend me a > > hand here... I'll need to buy the euro connectors to install them on my car. > > Can someone post the part number(s) for the connectors? They're ZKW's BTW. > > Much appreciated! > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* >