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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Want a fast sports coupe? - from Roy Kao
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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:26:12 -0400 From: "Roy Kao" <bimmerphile@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Want a fast sports coupe? Peter, While I can definitely appreciate your point of view as a true red blooded M enthusiast, the truth is BMW builds these cars to 1) make a buck or 2) get an image and sell others cars to make a buck. Every automobile manufacturer struggles with making a car faster, safer, and more comfortable. Porsche is going through this with the current 996/911 and rumor has it that they will build a car that harkens back to its glory days of building simple sportscars. BMW, with models such as the 4-series coupe or the 2-series planned, is also rumored to be going back to its roots by making lighter and simpler M versions. I don't think we should quite lose hope. Using Nissan as an example, they started with the original Z car but it ended up being the bloated car that was the 300ZX. Powerful? Yes. Comfortable? Definitely. Well screwed together? Again undoubtly so. But it lost its point. Now they are reintroducing the Z car as a simpler and meaner sportscar again, like the original 240Z, but now packing a 3.5 liter V6. Whether it meets the demands of the true enthusiasts remains to be seen but manufacturers do periodically go through renaissance periods and BMW is due. Given the opportunity though, I wouldn't even hesitate at the idea of having an M3 GTR in my garage, if only to experience a factory installed 4.0 litre V8 in an E46 M shell! Then again, a genuine E30 M3 Sport Evo wouldn't be bad either for the track...heck, I'll take'em all!! Roy '99 M3/2 (Dreaming about a garage full of M3s...) >From: peter@guagenti.com >To: "Roy Kao" <bimmerphile@hotmail.com>, E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Want a fast sports coupe? >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:30:47 US/Pacific > > > Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR (at least when they don't go airborne...). They >were > > built purely for the reason of satisfying the ACO's homologation rules >and > >Does this bother _anyone else_ but me? The whole point of the E30M3 was to >create a no-holds-barred, barely street legal, racing version 3-series. >That's >what always excited me about that car. But evolution happened. > >When the E36 came out, they got away from this a bit. But you're willing >to >overlook it for the fact that better the S50US then nothing at all. Then >they >made a sedan -- an automatic! -- and a convertible. The car is still >extremely >powerful and great handling, a magnificent car or we all wouldn't have >bought >it, but they started to dilute the brand. > >Now we have the E46M3. If you listen to the automotive journalists, it's >the >best thing since sliced bread. I don't believe it. It's hot and all, but >it's >still a luxo-barge. A damn fast one, but not what the name stood for in the >beginning. > >And now we have the GTR. With this car in existence, the M3 is no longer >the >ultimate 3-series. May as well call it what it is -- the 332csi -- and let >the >GTR have the M3 name. > >Maybe I'm over-reacting a bit, but it just sounds silly to me to have the >M- >car, and the M-car Deluxe. For the past 15 years BMW has been building up >the >M-badge to mean the best, the ultimate BMW. By releasing the GTR and not >simply upgrading the existing M, the M-badge just means pretty damn good. > >Just my $0.02. > >-peterg > '95 BMW M3 (or 330is, as the E30 racers call it >:-) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. >http://www.hispeed.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#2. Road America -School - Share lodging ?? - from B Stoll E36
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:41:16 -0500 From: "B Stoll E36" <m3tec@yahoo.com> Subject: Road America -School - Share lodging ?? Anyone going to the Badger Bimmers Driving/Lapping event at Road America - I would like to split the costs of a hotel room on Sat. Oct. 6th. Private email is fine. Bob Stoll 98M3/4 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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#3. Re: Want a fast sports coupe?/E46M3/E36 3.2 cam kit - from Scott Smith
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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 18:56:57 -0700 From: Scott Smith <ssmith@akamai.com> Subject: Re: Want a fast sports coupe?/E46M3/E36 3.2 cam kit > wait a just a second........... > > The E46 M3 has more Motorsport in it than the US E36 M3 ever had and it all > starts (but doesn't stop) with the motor. In fact, the motor was/is the > single biggest and most important difference that separated all of the > early M cars including the first M3 from their non-M car counterparts. And > unfortunately, the US version M3 never got a Motorsport engine. Remember, > we are talking about a 250lb difference between the E46M3 and the E36 M3 > and the E46 M3 has bigger brakes, wheels, tires, swaybars, 6speed > transmission, differential, stiffer chassis, better sport seats, etc. I > would like to see a real apples to apples weight comparison of a US E36 M3 > with the same re-enforcements to the chassis that would make it equal in > stiffness to the E46 M3 along with the bigger brakes, wheels, and tires and > then see how we end up reproving the theory of "there's no such thing as a > free lunch" however, lets not forget that: 1. the euro E36 M3 had a fancy M motor, and didn't weigh that much more (ok I'm talking out my ass on this one, but really, I don't think the Euro E36M3 weighed that much). 2. the stiffer chassis is actually supposed to be lighter, according to reports I heard. i.e. E46 chassis (i.e. bare metal) is lighter than an E36 chassis. it's just better designed to the point of being stiffer and lighter. 3. the Euro E36M3 had a 6 speed transmission. see pt 1. 4. bigger brakes, wheels, etc can't add that much (I give you 50lbs at MOST) so I have no doubt that the E46M3 is a luxo barge, although extremely fast. I would appreciate it, however, if people would stop comparing it to the US E36M3. there is no point -- compare it to the Euro E36M3. has the motor come that far since the Euro E36M3? I dunno. How do the cars compare on the track? I dunno. now, I have no doubt I would love to drive an E46M3, and will happily turn my E36M3 in for one. I see it as a natural evolution to me in what was the best all around usable car. btw, any chance we can get a dyno run of a Euro E36M3 motor vs an E46M3 motor? :-) Scott '97 M3/4 -> waiting to be replaced by an E46M3/smg '96 993TT -> knowing it will never be replaced '95 M3 IS -> waiting for a new engine (was hoping for a Euro motor but the tech gods didn't allow it)
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#4. M3 cold braking steering wheel shake - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:24:11 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: M3 cold braking steering wheel shake >>I get a slight shimmy if I immediately take it up to highway speed << As it doesnt seem to be strictly related to applying the brakes, I believe it to be tire flat spotting...Mines always done it, some times more, sometimes less, sometimes not at all. But I very much attribute it to flatspotting...YOu learn to live with it. --------------------------------------------------------- Paul Elliott '99 White M3; < 35K miles; Dinan stage II sc kit; Rotex pads; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#5. Gloves - from ERogers005@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:40:22 EDT From: ERogers005@aol.com Subject: Gloves Jonathan .. this year I'm using a pair of Sparco Fast Tech gloves. They slip right on, have great feel and sensitivity with much less padding than other Sparco gloves. They cost a bit, but I haven't looked back. Ed Rogers In a message dated 10/2/01 18:39:35, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: << Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:00:26 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Nomex or Not? Oh, and any suggestion for comfortable gloves that exhibit good "feel" are more than welcome. >>
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#6. 95 M3 Factory Airbox - from Craig Largent
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Date: 2 Oct 2001 20:24:31 -0700 From: Craig Largent <craig.largent@stanfordalumni.org> Subject: 95 M3 Factory Airbox We recently moved to CA and I need to replace my cone filter with a factory air box. the car had the cone filter when I bought it two years ago. Would anyone have a factory air box for a 95 M3 for sale? Thanks, Craig Largent Mountain View, CA 650.938.7822 Craig.Largent@StanfordAlumni.org ---------------------------------------------- E-mail@stanfordalumni.org is brought to you by the Stanford Alumni Association and Critical Path.
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Euro lights - from Chester Wong
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:27:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro lights > Thanks for the p/n's Chester... > I ended up ordering from Joe Chavez @ Nick Alexander. The last p/n > apparently is superceded by 61 13 0 007 450. Cool > Some of you asked why I don't have the connectors... I got the lights second > hand from a guy moving from Germany to the UK. To register his car there, > he had to convert his lights to RHD. And so, here they are. Thanks all! It does appear that the low beam reflector can be rotated in the housing to convert from LHD to RHD. Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com
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#8. e36m3: E36 96+ cam package - from Andy Radin
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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:49:02 -0700 From: Andy Radin <fourfa@mindspring.com> Subject: e36m3: E36 96+ cam package BTW if you are interested in seeing the results of last weeks dyno tests on the upcoming 96-99 3.2L M3 cam kit you can see them on a hidden link on my website at www.eurosporthighperformance.com\cams.html
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#9. List - from Carl Harris Sewell
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:19:21 -0400 From: "Carl Harris Sewell" <jzy308@adelphia.net> Subject: List Ihave recently changed my email from JZY308@aol.com to JZY308@adelphia.net, and have not rcvd any digests for some time. Am I still OK, or are you having a prob?(hope not) Carl Harris Sewell 1965 Lewis Mtn Rd Charlottesville VA 22903-2436 434.244.2752
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#10. Re: Want a fast sports coupe? (more on Nissan, way OT) - from Mel Silva
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:47:00 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Want a fast sports coupe? (more on Nissan, way OT) More on Nissan(and others) and it's performance line: Rumor has it that Nissan will start introduction of the long coveted Skyline series in the US in 2002. Now, don't get your knickers in a bunch, they are not starting with the Skyline GTR (twin turbo, inline 6 w/ all wheel drive), they are introducing one of the more sedate models under the Infinity line of cars. However, I did read that a Nissan Spokesperson said that it was only the beginning of the Skyline introduction to the US. This is apparently in response to the recent success of the Subaru WRX and the soon to be released WRX STi, with Mitsubishi following suit with the Lancer Evo VII, both of which are all wheel drive turbo cars. The Infinity Skyline thing will have a version of Nissans 3.0L V6 supposedly punched out to 3.4L. No word as to when Nissan are planning to release a turbo version here. Maybe this could get a response from BMW? A turbo M///332xi would be cool, eh? Mel -----Original Message----- From: Roy Kao [mailto:bimmerphile@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:48 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Want a fast sports coupe? I don't think we should quite lose hope. Using Nissan as an example, they started with the original Z car but it ended up being the bloated car that was the 300ZX. Powerful? Yes. Comfortable? Definitely. Well screwed together? Again undoubtly so. But it lost its point. Now they are reintroducing the Z car as a simpler and meaner sportscar again, like the original 240Z, but now packing a 3.5 liter V6. Whether it meets the demands of the true enthusiasts remains to be seen but manufacturers do periodically go through renaissance periods and BMW is due.