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#1. Re: [E36M3] E36 vs E46 drag race - from Rob
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 11:34:10 -0600 From: "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 vs E46 drag race The The Abels wrote: Wow, stock gearing, 'standard' bolt-ons, and you did more than hold your own! **Yes my car has a stock 3.15 rear end. Maybe a 3.23 soon. Was the E46 wearing track shoes? **No, so I understand the corner comparioson wasn't fair, although A032R's can't be that much better than Pilot Sports. Why was he short shifting? When you look at a dyno comparing a modded E36and a stock E46, the real advantage of the E46 is above 6500 rpm. **He was only short shifting when we were lapping, not in the drag race. Rob
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#2. Re: [E36M3] How do you people fit w/ Helmets? - from Matt Henson
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How do you people fit w/ Helmets? Hank, I'm also 6'1", with manual seats and the sunroof. I also can't sit in an ideal position with a helmet. Actually, I find the seating position in the M3 to be bad in general for someone my size. The steering wheel is too far forward, so there's no leg space when I'm the right distance from the wheel. The pedals are too far to the left, the gas pedal is almost centered with the seat rather than being straight forward from the right leg. The vader seats look cool but they are just wrong on so many levels. And, to fit you have to tilt the seat back. Which makes the problem with the steering wheel distance even worse :-(. Anyway, I guess that most of these problems are only solved with a decent aftermarket seat that was designed to properly hold a seated human and sit lower. -Matt --- Hank Wallace <hwallace@ebimmer.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:09:22 -0400 > From: "Hank Wallace" <hwallace@ebimmer.com> > Subject: How do you people fit w/ Helmets? > > > I am the owner of a '99 M3 coupe and will be taking > it to its first autox > tomorrow. I normally autox my '93 MR2 and have to > take the tops off to fit > with my helmet on. I put the helmet on tonight and > squeezed into the M3, > but had to slouch just to get in. How do you people > do it? I am 6'1'' - > there must be others my height with this issue.. > > Are the power seats in my M3 causing this issue? Do > the manual seats sit > lower? > > Hank Wallace > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1
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#3. Re: [E36M3] mileage... - from Matt Henson
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 10:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] mileage... Hmm.. I dunno. I don't have the OBC and. even if I did, the bigger injectors would make the numbers wrong. So I have to use the odometer and amount of fuel required to fill the tank to calculate milage. On relativly flat Texas highways I typically get 26MPG @ 85-90mph. Around town the turbo takes its toll. I think I average around 16-17. On the track things get ugly, maybe 6-7mpg (almost 1gal / lap!!). -Matt --- Ron Buchalski <rbuchals@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 00:50:57 > From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] mileage... > > I suspect that the wide variation in reported > numbers is due to differing > measurement methods. When I stated my numbers, I > was referring to the > indication on my Consumption #1 indicator, which > gets reset at each fillup. > So, the numbers I provided were an average for an > ENTIRE TANK of fuel. > > If I clear my consumption indicator while cruising > at 65MPH on a flat > interstate, with cruise control on, and let it come > up with an 'average' > reading for 5-10 minutes, it'll be outrageously > high. It's like watching > the instantaneous MPG readout on my father's > Cadillac (*barf*). One second > he's getting 33 MPG, another second he's getting > 14.5 MPG. Neither one > provides an accurate indication of the MPG that the > car is getting for a > tankful of gas, which is the way most people measure > it. > > For measurement over a partial tank, I question the > validity of the numbers. > > -rb > ...got 35 MPG going down a hill today... ;-) > > >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:19:59 -0400 > >From: "NickG" <nikog@MediaOne.net> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] mileage... > > > >Reading all these mileage posts during the day made > me want to measure my > >car's mileage on the way home :) > > > >The car is a 1995 M3 with an AA Stage1 turbo kit > with custom tuning. The > >results are: > > > >70mph = 27.2mpg > >75mph = 27.8mpg (yes, higher!......go figure) > > > >Nick > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1
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#4. Re: How do you people fit w/ Helmets? - from Ron Katona
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:28:52 -0400 From: "Ron Katona" <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: How do you people fit w/ Helmets? Hank Wallace wrote: > I am the owner of a '99 M3 coupe and will be taking it to its first autox > tomorrow. I normally autox my '93 MR2 and have to take the tops off to fit > with my helmet on. I put the helmet on tonight and squeezed into the M3, > but had to slouch just to get in. How do you people do it? I am 6'1'' - > there must be others my height with this issue.. I'm sorry to say, but I'm also 6'1" and I simply don't fit comfortably in any E36 while wearing a helmet... if it has a sunroof. For that matter, I don't fit exceptionally well even without a helmet. I can *make* myself fit by being farther from the wheel than I prefer by tilting the seat back, or cocking my head slightly to one side, but it feels uneasy for any kind of serious driving. I once swore I'd never buy an E36 for this reason, then someone offered me a '95 M3 with no sunroof - big difference! > Are the power seats in my M3 causing this issue? Do the manual seats sit > lower? I don't think so - I have the same issue in E36s with and without power seats. You might look into some of the aftermarket seats like the Recaro SRD and a custom seat bracket. With the Sparcos Ultras I use during autocross season (really not good for the street) and custom brackets I have all sorts of headroom. I'd probably be OK even with the sunroof now. -- Ron Katona
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Procarparts.com & HID - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:49:53 -0400 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispitude@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Procarparts.com & HID On Sunday 07 October 2001 03:06 pm, Wes wrote: > Mmmm, I ordered the thinner cut-it-yourself kit with the plain brown paper > backing. Is has not come yet but I was going to put it on my foglights and > headlights. > > I thought I read somewhere that if it does get cloudy, it would go away > after a little bit. > > Take care, > Wes Wes is absolutely right! I went to check my headlights with the Griots cut-it-yourself rock guard applied about a week ago, and the cloudiness is almost gone! I guess it threw me off that when I applied them, they were crystal clear, THEN they became cloudy a day later, THEN it took about a week to clear up (for the most part). Maybe they had a warning amidst the packing peanuts and I missed it. :) But I'm a much happier camper now. (So now, I have an extra pre-cut set of 3M headlight shields for *stock* E36 headlights with pre-cut spaces for the aiming nubs. If anyone wants 'em, email me an offer. Thanks!) And thanks Wes! - Chris
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#6. E36 vs E46 drag race - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:17:13 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: E36 vs E46 drag race Rob, Thanks for recounting the story...I found it fun reading......Do you have any dyno runs, or times 0-60 runs on your modified OBDI M3? For you to stay with the E46 would seem to indicate that youve probably added at least 40 hp to your stock setup...But even so, that would give you around 280 hp at the crank, which is certainly not unheard of with modified OBDI M3s, which is well short of the power available on the E46...Perhaps the wt differential between yours and the E46 would account for the performance similarity. Let me ask you...I dont know if you have any familiarty with supercharged OBDIIs, but, would you care to venture a guess as to how one would have done had it been a trio instead of a twosome at your track tests? --------------------------------------------------------- Paul Elliott '99 White M3; < 35K miles; Dinan stage II sc kit; Rotex pads; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#7. Re: [E36M3] E36 vs E46 drag race - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:40:41 -0400 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispitude@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 vs E46 drag race On Sunday 07 October 2001 07:18 pm, Paul Elliott wrote: > Thanks for recounting the story...I found it fun reading......Do you have > any dyno runs, or times 0-60 runs on your modified OBDI M3? For you to > stay with the E46 would seem to indicate that youve probably added at least > 40 hp to your stock setup...But even so, that would give you around 280 hp Paul, One thing I have learned with my other 4-cyl turbocharged car is that low-end torque can win races, even when you're outmatched in horsepower. The reason for this is that if you can get an edge in speed off the line, then you will continue to out-accelerate your opponent even if the upper-end horsepower curve is identical. Why is this? Let's say in a race, my car pulls faster to 20mph than my opponent's car, because I have more low-end torque. After that, the responses of our cars are *identical*. What will happen? Well, obviously I will make it to 20mph sooner than my opponent. At the point in time I hit 20mph, I will not only be ahead of my opponent, but I will also be at a higher speed than him. Later, when he hits 20mph, his car will behave the same way that mine did earlier at 20mph. The problem is, he's going slower than me, and thus will continue to be slower than me from that point onward, and thus will lose ground to me *throughout* the rest of the race. This is despite the fact that both our cars are operating in a region where their specs are identical. Put another way for you math nuts, take two identical linearly-increasing velocity curves, but give one a bit of a headstart at the beginning to model the above scenario. Now integrate over time to calculate distance. The "faster" curve will have a constant offset, which will contribute to the distance of the winner even past the initial period of the headstart. The upshot of this is, if the modified E36 M3 had more grunt off the line, it can get both a velocity and distance advantage that can continue to pay dividends throughout the race. I hope I wasn't too confusing. - Chris
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#8. Re: e36 vs e46 drag race - from vthrockmorton
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Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:22:47 -0500 From: vthrockmorton <vince@rjthrockmorton.com> Subject: Re: e36 vs e46 drag race I think it's all about the HEFT of the e46, I have a new 330i and it is a handful on the racetrack! My 98 M3 Sedan can hold its own against M5's, Vettes, Vipers, on the track provided we're all on street tires. I had a guy in an eagle Talon run off and hide from me once, a humbling experience, but he had Hoosiers on it. Vince Throckmorton ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97
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#9. Re: E36 vs E46 drag race - from Rob
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:34:05 -0600 From: "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com> Subject: Re: E36 vs E46 drag race Paul, let me start by saying that I should probably have kept this story to myself because I know I'm going to catch some heat A-because I was drag racing BMW's and B- because many will say it was (E46) driver error or I'm full of BS but I have owned many fast cars and I am very sure of what happened. The E46 driver/instructor was equally surprised and had no excuses about his cars performance. > Thanks for recounting the story...I found it fun reading......Do you have > any dyno runs, or times 0-60 runs on your modified OBDI M3? **No I do not, although the common JC Euro HFM, chip & exhaust combo has been tested many time. I will dyno my car before and after I install the Schrick cams and big injectors. >For you to stay with the E46 would seem to indicate that youve probably added at least 40 hp to your stock setup...But even so, that would give you around 280 hp at the crank, which is certainly not unheard of with modified OBDI M3s, which is well short of the power available on the E46...Perhaps the wt differential between yours and the E46 would account for the performance similarity. **I think it is mostly due to the light weigh of my car. I have removed ~100lbs or more and the car feel very quick on its feet. This means my car is ~400+lbs lighter than the stock E46 M3 I raced. > Let me ask you...I dont know if you have any familiarty with supercharged > OBDIIs, but, would you care to venture a guess as to how one would have done had it been a trio instead of a twosome at your track tests? **My partner has a '99 M3/2 with an ERT Votrec kit and SS exhaust. Similar things happen when we race. I always jump about 1 car off the punch but that is about all I can gain on him and them around 160km/h (100mph) he pull beside me and at 200km/h (124mph) he is 1 -1.5 cars ahead of me......but, if we race 3+ times back to back his car starts to suffer from heat soak (even on a 60F day) and he can't really pull ahead of me. Keep in mind that his '99 M3 with SC and 4pt cage probably weighs ~200lbs more than my car. Light is the key! Next on my list is carbon hood to save another 40lbs, 3.23 LSD and the cams+injectors. Those new M3's better have some tricks up their sleeves! Rob
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Rear Parcel Shelf Cost? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 20:46:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear Parcel Shelf Cost? A new one costs ~$70. Chester --- Jeremy Lucas <jlucas@columbus.rr.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 06:34:01 -0400 > From: "Jeremy Lucas" <jlucas@columbus.rr.com> > Subject: Rear Parcel Shelf Cost? > > Anybody have an idea what the fabric covered E36 rear parcel shelf lists > for? A friend with a high mileage '93 325 has a black interior but the > parcel shelf is now so faded it looks purple. Parcel shelf = panel between > the rear window and the rear seat back that has the speaker grill covers > snapped into to it. Only interested in the cosmetic part, nothing > structural. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1