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#1. Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:23:08 -0400 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR Do NOT use that site. In order to get accurate figures you need to know the trap speed and weight and time - all three! Use this site: http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm Here are some figures from Car & Driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/1995/April/199504_longterm.xml?&keywords=M3&page=3 Time : 14.2 trap speed is 99 curb weight is 3232 this gives: Using the ET method, I come up with 223 horsepower Using the Speed method, I come up with 245 horsepower All pretty close I'd say! Cheers, Jim E. Rob Jackowitz wrote: > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:55:51 -0400 > From: "Rob Jackowitz" <rjme@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > I don't think the HP calculator is very accurate. Put in the spec's for an > M3...I used a weight of 3,350 and 3,400 and a time of 14.0 sec. > It gave me HP of over 300 at the flywheel. > > > > >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > > >Hmmm....someone's lying... > > > >http://javascript.internet.com/calculators/horsepower.html > > > >Chester > > > > > The straight-line timings at Hockinheim were: 3.1 seconds to 60 mph and > > > 8.7 seconds at the quarter mile with a speed of 157.9 mph. The timings > > > were consistent and repeatable with Bill Auberlin as the principle > > > driver > > > and drivers from both ACS and BMW AG Motorsport. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > *************************************************************
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#2. V12 M5 Times - from morris.michael@adlittle.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:36:50 -0400 From: morris.michael@adlittle.com Subject: V12 M5 Times List, Being the previous proud owner of a 91 mitsu galant VR4, I was surrounded by drag racers in both the VR4 and DSM community. In order for a 4 wheel drive Talon/Eclipse to break into the 9 second mark, it would have to be almost stripped bare and be running around 600 hp. Not to mention a Limited Slip rear diff, slicks on all 4, and a good driver (Shifter). The M5 time seems a bit off. I would still take the car though, if it is real. : ) Regards, Mike Morris "The straight-line timings at Hockinheim were: 3.1 seconds to 60 mph and 8.7 seconds at the quarter mile with a speed of 157.9 mph. The timings were consistent and repeatable with Bill Auberlin as the principle driver and drivers from both ACS and BMW AG Motorsport." **** This is intended for the addressee only and may contain confidential business information. It may not be copied without our permission. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender as soon as possible and delete the material from any computer.****
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#3. RE: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR - from Bruner, Phil
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:47:47 -0700 From: "Bruner, Phil" <bruner@littongcs.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR I didn't een bother. Anyone knows that something like quarter mile time is A LOT MORE complicated that GVW/and HP. PB -----Original Message----- From: Rob Jackowitz [mailto:rjme@msn.com] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:59 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:55:51 -0400 From: "Rob Jackowitz" <rjme@msn.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR I don't think the HP calculator is very accurate. Put in the spec's for an M3...I used a weight of 3,350 and 3,400 and a time of 14.0 sec. It gave me HP of over 300 at the flywheel. > >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > >Hmmm....someone's lying... > >http://javascript.internet.com/calculators/horsepower.html > >Chester > > > The straight-line timings at Hockinheim were: 3.1 seconds to 60 mph and > > 8.7 seconds at the quarter mile with a speed of 157.9 mph. The timings > > were consistent and repeatable with Bill Auberlin as the principle > > driver > > and drivers from both ACS and BMW AG Motorsport. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#4. [E36M3] Semi OT: RSMs for E30 Race Car? - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:54:30 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Semi OT: RSMs for E30 Race Car? Trying to help a friend out... He has an E30 race car for which he needs to replace the rear shock mounts. He already knows that the JTD and Ground Control units are used in many track-driven cars, but I wasn't sure which to recommend as being "better." Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can respond to me, and I'll forward the info along to him, or you can respond directly to him at TBest90662@aol.com (his name is Terry). Thanks again for any assistance! Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#5. Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:12:40 -0400 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR The starting point seems to be F=MA from some guy named Newton perhaps??? :-) Cheers, Jim E. "Bruner, Phil" wrote: > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:47:47 -0700 > From: "Bruner, Phil" <bruner@littongcs.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > I didn't een bother. Anyone knows that something like quarter mile time is > A LOT MORE complicated that GVW/and HP. > PB > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Jackowitz [mailto:rjme@msn.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:59 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:55:51 -0400 > From: "Rob Jackowitz" <rjme@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > I don't think the HP calculator is very accurate. Put in the spec's for an > M3...I used a weight of 3,350 and 3,400 and a time of 14.0 sec. > It gave me HP of over 300 at the flywheel. > > > > >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > > >Hmmm....someone's lying... > > > >http://javascript.internet.com/calculators/horsepower.html > > > >Chester > > > > > The straight-line timings at Hockinheim were: 3.1 seconds to 60 mph and > > > 8.7 seconds at the quarter mile with a speed of 157.9 mph. The timings > > > were consistent and repeatable with Bill Auberlin as the principle > > > driver > > > and drivers from both ACS and BMW AG Motorsport. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > *************************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:32:39 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR Exactly. That formula (on the webpage) assumes an equal state of acceleration through the entire 1/4 mile. Thus it assumes you IMMEDIATELY start accelerating and it remains the same. Stupid and doesn't really apply... Mark From: nabli@attglobal.net Reply-To: nabli@attglobal.net To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:18:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:12:40 -0400 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR The starting point seems to be F=MA from some guy named Newton perhaps??? :-) Cheers, Jim E. "Bruner, Phil" wrote: > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:47:47 -0700 > From: "Bruner, Phil" <bruner@littongcs.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > I didn't een bother. Anyone knows that something like quarter mile time is > A LOT MORE complicated that GVW/and HP. > PB > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Jackowitz [mailto:rjme@msn.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:59 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:55:51 -0400 > From: "Rob Jackowitz" <rjme@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > I don't think the HP calculator is very accurate. Put in the spec's for an > M3...I used a weight of 3,350 and 3,400 and a time of 14.0 sec. > It gave me HP of over 300 at the flywheel. > > > > >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR > > > >Hmmm....someone's lying... > > > >http://javascript.internet.com/calculators/horsepower.html > > > >Chester > > > > > The straight-line timings at Hockinheim were: 3.1 seconds to 60 mph and > > > 8.7 seconds at the quarter mile with a speed of 157.9 mph. The timings > > > were consistent and repeatable with Bill Auberlin as the principle > > > driver > > > and drivers from both ACS and BMW AG Motorsport. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#7. Horspower/ Quarter mile times - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:29:15 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Horspower/ Quarter mile times Hmmm....someone's lying... <http://javascript.internet.com/calculators/horsepower.html> http://javascript.internet.com/calculators/horsepower.html Chester I think the 8.7 sec with a trap speed of 157.9 is rather optimistic as well.=20 go to www.mkiv.com <http://www.mkiv.com> and you can see tricked out Supras making 900 horsepower getting 8 sec runs. The owner of DynamicTurbo ( www.dynamic-turbo.com <http://www.dynamic-turbo.com> ) runs a 600+rear wheel horsepower stripped down (gutted) Supra Turbo to get a 9 second Quarter mile with slicks. =20 A 600 horsepower M5 with stock tires should be good for a high 11 second run pushing about 125 MPH Trap speed. Ahmad =20 97 M3 Coupe =20
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#8. HOWTO: Research Automotive Claims was (Re: sonic spark plugs) - from Skip Bogard
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:04:15 -0400 From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> Subject: HOWTO: Research Automotive Claims was (Re: sonic spark plugs) Does this spark plug work? It might. I offer you an approach to research it that is helpful for me. In fact, if you read until the end of this note (and put up with my soapbox), you might get enough of an answer that you need to satisfy your quest for an answer. Said another way, I did a lot of the research for you on this spark plug, and it's all here...so read on: HOW TO RESEARCH CLAIMS by an AUTOMOTIVE SUPPLIER 1. Find out if a US Patent Number applies to the device by looking on its instruction sheets, the box, or by writing to the company, or a web site. 2. If no patent is held...quit looking and run away <fast>. You have better places to spend your time. 3. If a patent is held for the object of interest (I'm speaking in the US, it's harder to research foreign held patents, though most BMW or auto patents are filed in the US), then the patent is probably one of two** major types: a. DESIGN PATENT - this is an unsophisticated patent. It just protects the cosmetic design & appearances of the device. Here's an example for a crappy cellular "antenna booster". (btw, RUN! from this) http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=USD0417221__ Note that the only 'claim' of any type made is "The ornamental design of a clip-on antenna assembly." It does not boost anything except the inventors wallets. BE VERY SKEPTICAL of alleged technical devices that do not make any real operational "Claims" (See "b." ...the next section immediately below for patents that do make operational claims) b. UTILITY PATENT - this is more sophisticated. It has "Claims" that the inventor makes that supposedly describe how the device works and are substantiated by the inventors work. Note: There was once a cute library of "obscure" patents maintained by IBM for no charge on the Internet. One of these obscure patents was for "perpetual unattended cat feeder". It consisted of a bird house which lured birds with shake shingles, shutters and colonial trim, and more ambiance than a victorian bed & breakfast. Upon entering the bird house door, no bird could ever escape. The bird would soon die, only to fall down a trap door leading to a long pipe (the pipe holding up the bird house...which was hollow and very large in diameter), and finally the bird fell out an escape chute at the bottom of the pipe and deposited itself into Felix's cat dish. This bird feeder has a real patent, no lie. My point is, while you should RUN from most design patent devices, you should be skeptical of all utility patents. Just because a patent was awarded doesn't mean it really works. Or works well. ** There is a third type of U.S. patent "PLANT PATENT" (yeah, like the green growing chlorophyl kind), just in case this becomes your Million Dollar question and you need me for a lifeline.) ______________________ BACK TO THE SPARK PLUG Walla! There is a patent number on this spark plug. It is on the web site URL you gave me: http://www.inthefuture.com/spark/ and the patent number is #5,610,470. We have 1/2 of the way there to answering your question! So before we go further, lets start another side discussion to make a point...as if the bird feeder example wasn't enough! AUTOMOTIVE PATENTS - On Commoditized Components Before getting back to spark plus, let's consider another wonderful commodity we all love to buy for our cars: OIL ! I promise, this oil thread will be different. Let me profess to you that Shell, Chevron, Exxon, Lubrizol, Phillips all have substantial patent portfolios (simply a collection of patents) on oils, additives, oil chemistry, and other areas of tribology. One of the more prolific patentees is Chevron in the United States. It's chief patent enemy is in Europe: BASF Aktiengesellschaft, Ludwigshafen, Germany. Otherwise known here as simply BASF. And Germany is certainly home of your lovely BMW. I hear that country has some pretty sharp engineers and scientists! Chemists too. But, before I give you the mistaken impression that only big oil companies get patents, let me assure you there are lots of little companies with impressive patent portfolios too. Lots of little chemists too...all on their own doing. Contrast this with the "chief chemist" at Red Line Oil, Roy Howell (who allegedly left Lubrizol) who does not have a single patent assigned to him. Nor does Red Line, to the best of my Patent Search capabilities. Roy never even invented ANYTHING, in or outside the chemistry field, the engineering field, by working for ANY COMPANY or himself that merited him pursuing a patent. At least according to U.S. patent history. And now, for some Red Line history. The Red Line company was founded by two guys...a former KTVU-TV transmitter engineer and the other a TV broadcast engineer from San Francisco. San Francisco is well known for its ability to find creative new uses for lubricants, but not so well known for its ability to create them. Well...I guess it's where you spend your time that counts. Needless to say, these two guys probably don't know a whole lot about automotive oil. Yet they left their jobs at a TV station to form an oil company. Hmmm, I wonder if these guys thought they knew more about mass marketing? I suspect so... And some of you actually buy into this Red Line marketing bullshit that gets fed to everyone... Ok, off my soap box. What was the original question? Oh yeah? The spark plug trumpet. I did a search on the patent server. Here is a link to the patent: https://www.delphion.com/details?&pn=US05610470__ Some good news...it is a Utility Patent, not a Design Patent. It passes the first Litmus test....it just might work. Hopefully...it will work better than the bird feeder with its utility patent. If I were researching this...I would next look into whether David Wofsey, the inventor: 1. Had any other patents or inventions that worked (sort of an intellectual character search) 2. Had any interesting alliances with others on the Internet (special interest groups, etc). 3. I'd look at the NGK patent he references in his patent. There could be others that think this approach might work...who knows what the Japanese are up to at NGK? Who woulda though you could get rice to combust in the chamber without depositing starch all over the cylinder walls? Colorado (where David Wofsey filed the patent from) might not seem like the epicenter of automotive research, but then chute...who woulda thought the world's most knowledgeable tuner of BMW Bosch & Siemens ECU's worked outta Salt Lake City? So give David a break...it's where he's from...he could be a really smart guy. I've read David's patent, and the one thing that makes me skeptical is that while there are lots of equations presented calculating the range of ultrasonic frequencies that are generated by this spark plug device (he presents data on the range of sizes of the hole, the velocity of the gases, etc), there is NOTHING that discusses the acoustic power (in decibels I would presume) that is either 1. GENERATED and AVAILABLE or 2. NEEDED to atomize additional fuel. Most patents try to make as many claims as possible as to protect the patent. This seems like a wide open omission. It leaves him wide open for others to submit slightly different variations on the patent that might not infringe on it. There is lots of that going on in the patent arena...for devices that don't even exist yet. One patent seems to superceed or one up the other. This is presumable for future claims to be used by the marketing department. For incredulous examples of these excalating patent wars....do a little patent searching to see firsthand the stupidity going on in the field of machines to cryogenically treat brake rotors. I'm not talking about the process. I'm talking about the machines their selling to do this alchemy bullshit. If you really want to see how idiotic these bozos can get....they make claims that "cryogenically treatinging the brass for a trumpet" or "cryogenically treating guitar strings" make the instruments sound better. As if a former TV station engineer could really tell. - Skip Michael Stembera wrote: > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:56:58 -0500 > From: "Michael Stembera" <m_stembera@yahoo.com> > Subject: sonic spark plugs > > I friend of mine has installed some new spark plugs (not on an E36M3) > called sonic spark that give him a noticable boost in power and a little > better gas mileage. They use a trumpet like opening in the cathode to > create an ultra-sonic sound that precedes the flames and further > atomizes the gas. here is info. > > <http://www.inthefuture.com/spark/> http://www.inthefuture.com/spark/ > > Does this sound like something that could actually work or just another > gimmick to take your money? > > Thanks, > Mike >
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#9. RE: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR - from Paul England
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:11:14 -0400 From: "Paul England" <ettsn@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR Guys, please remember to clip long posts when replying. We all saw it the first time. Did we need to see that *really* long post 5 more times to let each of you add your $.02? Those of us on digest mode just had about 1000 lines to wade through. Just a friendly reminder... -Paul > Subject: RE: [E36M3] WOW! 00 M5 ACS V12 LMR
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#10. OBC "Tail light failure" with new Euro rear lights - from Rob C Swift
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:56:23 -0400 From: "Rob C Swift" <RSwift@AVMTOnline.com> Subject: OBC "Tail light failure" with new Euro rear lights Hello All! I recently had my four corners replaced with clear euro style lights. These were bought from BMW of Fairfax, and appear to be factory in every way. When I turn on my headlights, the OBC reads Tail Light Failure. It only does it when the head lights are on, not when the brakes are applied. All of the lights appear to work when viewed from the outside. The only strange thing I can find is that the two outer most lights are a double filament type, but only one filament seems to be powered when tracing it back to the harness. Is this a problem that I can correct easily? Thank you very much, Rob Swift Manassas, Virginia '97 M3