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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Ground Control Rear Trailing Arm Bushing Reinforcements - from Andy Radin
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:00:09 -0700 From: Andy Radin <fourfa@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Ground Control Rear Trailing Arm Bushing Reinforcements "Looks like I got the right part, they're made of UHMW (Ultra High Molecular Weight) plastic (not Delrin, as I had posted)" ah, that's a particular kind of polyethylene (aka milk bottles.) Very slippery and relatively hard. Makes a great bushing, better than acetals like Delrin. Delrin is usually made porous with a high oil content for lubricity, but the extra long saturated molecules of UHMW PE are just naturally slippery. andy r. 98 m3/2
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Harness Bar Yes or No? Status of TC Kline Rollbars - from Chris Salter
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Salter <errsomeone@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Harness Bar Yes or No? Status of TC Kline Rollbars Clark, I would not suggest the use of a harness bar. I've seen enough roll overs that I would never install one for any use. In addition to that, I do not wear harnesses in my students cars either w/o at least a blot-in bar and tell them why I do not. If they choose to where them still, that is their decision. On the other side of this... I also do not suggest the use of a roll bar/cage if you drive the car everyday on the street. I totaled my 97M3 earlier this year and the seat broke! After this, I was tossed around the car, if there had been a bar I would have been injured, but luckily I was able to walk away. Personally, I have a roll bar and other common installs for driving schools in my E30M3 which does not get driven on the street much. However, after doing this more and more I want to build a dedicated track car with a nice welded in cage, proper seats, etc, but that will be a little while off. Hope this helps - Chris E30 ///M3 Near EVO E36 ///M3 Silver E36 ///M3 YELLOW!! (RIP) --- Clark Cook <cooksan@prodigy.net> wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:59:36 -0400 > From: "Clark Cook" <cooksan@prodigy.net> > Subject: Harness Bar Yes or No? Status of TC Kline > Rollbars > > > I have a harness bar for my 95 coupe but after > seeing the Summit Point > rollover photos a while back I decided to not > install them. What's the > group view on using the bar, obviously not good when > compared to a > rollbar, but what about for driving schools. > =20 > Any other information about the availability of the > Kline rollbars? > =20 > Clark Cook > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
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#3. Re: Rollbars - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:32:06 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Rollbars on 10/18/01 9:38 PM, "Clark Cook" <cooksan@prodigy.net> wrote: > What's the group view on using the (harness) bar. Speaking only for myself, I don't see much point in the harness bar for our cars. According to Schroth the stock M3 seats are strong enough to withstand the forces exerted by their harness shoulder straps in case of accident. > Any other information about the availability of the Kline rollbars? At present it appears there is no availability of TC Kline rollbars. They have "lost" their fabricator - for the second time, how careless - and aren't accepting orders. I imagine that eventually their manufacturing fixtures will end up somewhere and the product will become available again. But don't hold your breath waiting. As far as I can find out that leaves Autopower as the sole US supplier of a standard bolt-in E36 rollbar. That may eventually change, but not right now. Bimmerworld will do a custom or semi-custom bar and I'm sure it's a fine product. There are other custom fabricators who'll make whatever you want, given enough time and/or money. Neil 96 M3 - no rollbar
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#4. Re: [E36M3] stickers - from Carey Probst
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:34:52 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] stickers That's not the one I thought we agreed on but unfortunately I deleted the mail with the url. Hopefully someone else has the url. Carey ----- Original Message ----- From: <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: [E36M3] stickers Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:39:24 -0400 From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: stickers Ok, I found someone to make stickers. What's the URL of the sticker that we decided on? Personally, I want mine to be as simple as possible, and I like the designs I did, but I'm willing to be democratic about this. :) If I don't hear from people in a few days, I'm going to get this one printed... http://www.mindspring.com/~kitwetzler/logo_e36M3_list6.gif (smoothed, of course...) Thanks everyone. Cost is gonna be around $2 per sticker, and should probably be paid by paypal. Color options will be white, chrome/silver or black. Please email me personally, kitwetzler@mindspring.com -kit -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#5. Re: stickers - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:00:17 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: stickers I think someone with web page design experience should create a web voting page (only open to E36 M3 members, requires voters to enter their email address for validation, and only allows one vote per member of the list), with the sticker options that have been offered up by several members. Any ideas, Suzy? You have the membership list. -rb >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:39:24 -0400 >From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> >Subject: stickers > > >Ok, I found someone to make stickers. What's the URL of the sticker that >we decided on? Personally, I want mine to be as simple as possible, and I >like the designs I did, but I'm willing to be democratic about this. :) >If I don't hear from people in a few days, I'm going to get this one >printed... http://www.mindspring.com/~kitwetzler/logo_e36M3_list6.gif > >(smoothed, of course...) > >Thanks everyone. Cost is gonna be around $2 per sticker, and should >probably be paid by paypal. Color options will be white, chrome/silver or >black. Please email me personally, kitwetzler@mindspring.com > > -kit _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Rollbars - from Chris Salter
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Salter <errsomeone@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Rollbars > cars. According to Schroth the stock M3 seats are > strong enough to withstand > the forces exerted by their harness shoulder straps > in case of accident. Take a look at this : http://www4.ncsu.edu/~ctsalter/e36_m3_yellow_damage/interior_driver_seat.jpg There were four impacts in all, but the seat broke in the 2nd where I went backwards into a wall hard. I admit this was an odd situation that caused this type of an accident, BUT it _can_ happen. Apparently the seat should be able to hold the stress of the harnesses, but dont expect the harnesses to stay tensioned. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, this is kind of outside of my knowledge, but aren't harness bars suppose to help provide a more proper angle for the harness to go over your shoulders, not allowing your spine to be as compressed? I know the cross brace from my roll bar doesn't really achieve this since by the end of a weekend my back is really hurting. -Chris E30 ///M3 Near EVO E36 ///M3 Silver E36 ///M3 YELLOW!! (RIP) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Re: stickers - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:18:22 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: stickers If that is the way you want to do this. Yahoo Groups http://groups.yahoo.com has a "polling" feature built in. Since I moderate several of these already, I would be willing to be the moderator for an E36M3 Group to take care of this. It will manage the single vote by email and limit login to members of the list. There are two huge caveats here: One, it would require all those who wish to vote to create a yahoo ID if they do not have one already, they are simple and attached to your email. Two, I would need a list of all members of the list so I can subscribe them to the list by their email account. I would not want to do this without Suzy's okay, managing a mail-list is a thankless job fraught with issues that most of us never see (Thanks, Suzy. I appreciate what you do, because I know what it entails!). So...we have a "means" to do it and a willing volunteer. Mel Silva, CIO Scale Auto Racing, Inc. Cypress, TX http://www.houstonscaleautoracing.com -----Original Message----- From: Ron Buchalski [mailto:rbuchals@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:19 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: stickers Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:00:17 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: stickers I think someone with web page design experience should create a web voting page (only open to E36 M3 members, requires voters to enter their email address for validation, and only allows one vote per member of the list), with the sticker options that have been offered up by several members. Any ideas, Suzy? You have the membership list. -rb >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:39:24 -0400 >From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> >Subject: stickers > > >Ok, I found someone to make stickers. What's the URL of the sticker that >we decided on? Personally, I want mine to be as simple as possible, and I >like the designs I did, but I'm willing to be democratic about this. :) >If I don't hear from people in a few days, I'm going to get this one >printed... http://www.mindspring.com/~kitwetzler/logo_e36M3_list6.gif > >(smoothed, of course...) > >Thanks everyone. Cost is gonna be around $2 per sticker, and should >probably be paid by paypal. Color options will be white, chrome/silver or >black. Please email me personally, kitwetzler@mindspring.com > > -kit _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#8. Re: Status of TC Kline Rollbars - from Vern Anderson
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:59:15 -0400 From: Vern Anderson <vanderson@cerebellumsoft.com> Subject: Re: Status of TC Kline Rollbars I had my front rollcage extension on order from TCKline for over 8 months (the front piece that attaches to the TCKline rollbar to make a full cage). It finally shipped yesterday, which is about 2-3 days too late for me to get it and make the Mid-Ohio club race next weekend. So I'm going to miss my first scheduled club race. The 8 months included inaccurate schedules, broken promises and a few outright lies. I did hear yesterday from a very, very reliable source that TCKline is officially out of the rollbar business because of the problems and what it is doing to his reputation. I trust this source, but I've not heard that from TC himself. Vern Anderson 98 M3/2 Barred, soon to be caged, but not soon enough. Gonna be a long winter.... -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:59:36 -0400 From: "Clark Cook" <cooksan@prodigy.net> Subject: Harness Bar Yes or No? Status of TC Kline Rollbars I have a harness bar for my 95 coupe but after seeing the Summit Point rollover photos a while back I decided to not install them. What's the group view on using the bar, obviously not good when compared to a rollbar, but what about for driving schools. =20 Any other information about the availability of the Kline rollbars? =20 Clark Cook
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#9. Re: new member (kinda - from Steven Hazard
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:09:06 -0500 From: "Steven Hazard" <98m3@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: new member (kinda Thats me :-) With a last name of Hazard what can I say! One of these days we're going to have to see who's faster Vern.......Where and when this happens is somewhere in the future.... Hope all is well with you, Steve BTW, there is a guy in Boston who autocrosses a bright yellow 4-door M3 that you should watch out for. Don't listen to a thing he says, he can't trusted and is crazy - he doesn't even keep both front wheels on the ground what he autocrosses (hi Steve!!!).
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#10. List Sticker Voting - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:51:40 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: List Sticker Voting I think that I can have an online voting poll up quickly with no logins or anything like that. I will speak to my programmer today but I don't see it as a problem because he already wrote the application (and I used it for my pumpkin voting contest last year and I will need it again this year) and I think that it is already alive and working on the servers. All I will need is the latest designs to be entered. Whoever has them can send them to m3@waynemiller.com. I will know more later today and keep everyone informed. -Wayne