E36M3 #1774

Monday, November 12, 2001 08:30:10

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. brake pad choice - driving schools - from Robert Liu
#2. pulley sets - from Bradley J. Otoupalik
#3. pulley sets - from Bradley J. Otoupalik
#4. RE: [E36M3] pulley sets - from Rob Birkhead
#5. Re: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions - from Ron Buchalski
#6. Re: [E36M3] pulley sets - from Peter Guagenti
#7. Re: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions - from Chester Wong
#8. RE: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions - from Mel Silva
#9. Re: [E36M3] tire wear... - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
#10. Wierd braking - from Ed Tang

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#1. brake pad choice  - driving schools - from Robert Liu
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:15:07 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Liu <bob_a_liu@yahoo.com> Subject: brake pad choice - driving schools I did my first driver's school last weekend at CMP. I had EBC Reds front and rear with homemade brake ducting. The brakes looked almost brand new after the first day. Since I was learning the track, I took it easy on the brakes. The second day, I wore them out in two sessions! This weekend I decided to rebuild the front calipers, since the dust boots had pulled out of the caliper. One of the pistons was slightly pitted. I heard that there are no replacement pistons? Is there no way to refinish the piston? I decided to check the rear calipers also. To my surprise, the rear pads were almost completely gone! Is it common for M3's to wear rear pads at a similar rate to the fronts on the track? So, I need to buy some new pads. The concensus at the track from the M3 owners seemed to be the PF90's. I forgot to ask about rear pads. Are people matching the PF90's in the front with Z-rated pads in the rear? I figure I could run Z-rated pads front/rear for the street, and just swap the front PF90's for the track. Seems reasonable? TIA, Bob ===== ------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Liu bob_a_liu@yahoo.com ICQ# 22765210 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com

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#2. pulley sets - from Bradley J. Otoupalik
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:45:26 -0800 From: "Bradley J. Otoupalik" <otoupalik@pobox.com> Subject: pulley sets Jeff. >Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:26:30 -0600 >From: "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] pulley sets > >So the crank pulley remains intact, unaltered? Yes, that is correct. >Are the accessory pulleys smaller, and accordingly underdriven, or are the >gains through weight reduction only? They are both smaller and lighter. We have two different alternator pulleys for those that have big stereos or not (so as to minimize the reduction on the already stressed alternator with big stereos). Thanks Brad evosport Bradley J. Otoupalik

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#3. pulley sets - from Bradley J. Otoupalik
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:46:24 -0800 From: "Bradley J. Otoupalik" <otoupalik@pobox.com> Subject: pulley sets Correct, this is what I meant - just wasn't thinking - it IS sunday afterall! LOL Thanks Brad At 05:19 PM 11/11/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:37:44 -0500 >From: "NickG" <nikog@MediaOne.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] pulley sets > >Making the accessory pulleys smaller would overdrive them. You want to make >them larger in order to underdrive them. The crank pulley has the opposite >relationship (smaller will underdrive the accessories). > >Nick Bradley J. Otoupalik

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#4. RE: [E36M3] pulley sets - from Rob Birkhead
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:59:46 -0800 From: Rob Birkhead <rbirkz@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] pulley sets Brad, How much do these run? I am interested, even more now that you have a smaller pulley for us audiophiles too... Rob 95 M3 -----Original Message----- From: Bradley J. Otoupalik [mailto:otoupalik@pobox.com] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 3:50 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] pulley sets Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:46:24 -0800 From: "Bradley J. Otoupalik" <otoupalik@pobox.com> Subject: pulley sets Correct, this is what I meant - just wasn't thinking - it IS sunday afterall! LOL Thanks Brad At 05:19 PM 11/11/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:37:44 -0500 >From: "NickG" <nikog@MediaOne.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] pulley sets > >Making the accessory pulleys smaller would overdrive them. You want to make >them larger in order to underdrive them. The crank pulley has the opposite >relationship (smaller will underdrive the accessories). > >Nick Bradley J. Otoupalik ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 03:16:56 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions Chris writes: >Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:39:28 -0500 >From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispitude@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions > >At 11:09 PM 11/10/2001 -0600, D L Seeley wrote: > >Here are some options: > >1) Start lying about your car's power like the rest of the filthy >lying >pigs. > >1) Go out and play! (I recommend a race track) > >2) Borrow my truck for a week. Your M3 will feel like a McLaren. > >Donna, you hit the nail on the head with #3! After spending some time on >this forum, I began to feel like there must be something seriously wrong >with my mostly-stock 95 M3. Sure it's got a JC chip and a factory-size K&N >filter, but that's pretty much it. It won't even spin the tires through >first gear unless I really really dump the clutch to make the rear end >unhappy. It just felt... slow. My buddy's 320hp Mitsubishi 3000GT VR >made me jealous. I was driving my '95 M3 tonight. 40k miles, JimC/Eurosport intake w/Euro HFM and chip, Supersprint exhaust. Michelin MXX3s (235/40 all around). Sunoco 94 octane fuel. Rolling away from the post office, first gear, less than ten mph, I floored the gas pedal and was greeted with rear wheel spin, to the point where the RPMs zipped up and hit the rev limiter. Shortage of power? Nope. And there's a cam kit available? :-) (No lying filthy pig here...) -rb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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#6. Re: [E36M3] pulley sets - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:34:43 -0800 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] pulley sets > How much do these run? I am interested, even more now that you have a > smaller pulley for us audiophiles too... I smell a group buy coming on... Brad? ;-) -peterg '95 M3 (w/ JimC Cam kit, but more power is never a bad thing)

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions - from Chester Wong
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions > I was driving my '95 M3 tonight. 40k miles, JimC/Eurosport intake w/Euro > HFM and chip, Supersprint exhaust. Michelin MXX3s (235/40 all around). > Sunoco 94 octane fuel. > > Rolling away from the post office, first gear, less than ten mph, I floored > the gas pedal and was greeted with rear wheel spin, to the point where the > RPMs zipped up and hit the rev limiter. > > Shortage of power? Nope. And there's a cam kit available? :-) Same here. '99M3 w/ 34k miles, JimC software, stock intake, AA gen III exhaust (not that it helps here...but it sure sounds nice), with somewhat worn Pilot Sports (about 1/8 - 3/16 tread before the wear bars)...oh...and our new LTW flywheel setup....and not dumping the clutch...slowly rolling away in 1st and not having the foot on the clutch whatsoever....punch it...the car starts to pull from 1000rpms to ~2300...and then you feel the surge...and then you hear WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeee. I must have travelled at least 20 - 25 feet before I lifted a little to stop the wheelspin. It could have been more power from the cooler air, more power getting through from me putting in a lighter tranny fluid, or it could have been cool tires (I was driving around for a while so I'm not sure how cold or how warm they were..ambient was probably in the 50s). But it was awesome!!!! Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions - from Mel Silva
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:48:20 -0600 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions damn kids! -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:50 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Soliciting opinions > I was driving my '95 M3 tonight. 40k miles, JimC/Eurosport intake w/Euro > HFM and chip, Supersprint exhaust. Michelin MXX3s (235/40 all around). > Sunoco 94 octane fuel. > > Rolling away from the post office, first gear, less than ten mph, I floored > the gas pedal and was greeted with rear wheel spin, to the point where the > RPMs zipped up and hit the rev limiter. > > Shortage of power? Nope. And there's a cam kit available? :-) Same here. '99M3 w/ 34k miles, JimC software, stock intake, AA gen III exhaust (not that it helps here...but it sure sounds nice), with somewhat worn Pilot Sports (about 1/8 - 3/16 tread before the wear bars)...oh...and our new LTW flywheel setup....and not dumping the clutch...slowly rolling away in 1st and not having the foot on the clutch whatsoever....punch it...the car starts to pull from 1000rpms to ~2300...and then you feel the surge...and then you hear WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeee. I must have travelled at least 20 - 25 feet before I lifted a little to stop the wheelspin. It could have been more power from the cooler air, more power getting through from me putting in a lighter tranny fluid, or it could have been cool tires (I was driving around for a while so I'm not sure how cold or how warm they were..ambient was probably in the 50s). But it was awesome!!!! Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#9. Re: [E36M3] tire wear... - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:08:09 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] tire wear... I have to admit I am repeating what the Tire Rack representative said to us at Gateway Tech 1997. He said if you pair a new tire with a well worn tire, the new tire will wear faster than normal. We all challenged him on this point but he confirmed it. I don't have any experience with this on my M3. I've always replaced tires in pairs on that car. However, I conceded the Tire Rack guy had WAY more experience with tires than I will ever have so I had to believe what he said. Your experience seems to contradict Tire Rack's statement. You don't think Tire Rack would promote a policy to get you to buy more tires? :-) Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Dallas, Texas

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#10. Wierd braking - from Ed Tang
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 06:21:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> Subject: Wierd braking Hi all, We swapped the rims and we get the same problem. I hear Mel with the fact that when ABS kicks in, it means that the brakes have locked up. And perhaps his 4 channel ABS is more sensitive than mine. The rotors and pads are fine. The reservoir has the right amount of fluid. The funny thing is that everything feels the same (brake pressure and modulation) as my car. I can equate this with feeling like he has an extra 500 lbs in the car. This problem requires deeper investigation now that it seems to be the same issue regardless of tires. At first I'm thinking that with his OBDII car, the extra torque and better diff would get me out of the corners faster, hence the problem may not be a problem because with a higher speed, the braking distance should be a bit earlier anyways. Then I took a 120 deg corner I normally take flat out in my car, which happens to be by a White Castle (and we did get the crave during our tests so that's where we went). The exit speed was much slower in his car (I am sharked with an intake) so our next test will be to set up cones and do back to back 60-0 tests in both cars since the White Castle cornering test is not at all accurate. There may not be a problem at all and we're just two bumbling idiots using any excuse to drive our cars. Why would we do this? Because we've got nothing better to do anyways. Kidding aside, his car has worlds of brakes so if you brought it in to a mechanic there would be no problem. The car still outbrakes 99% of the cars out there and when you drive it after your run of the mill BMW, ie, 3, 5 or 7 series, it will brake much better. It's just stacked up against other ///M's that it seems less effective. Tolerance differences??? Funny part is that I have calipers off a 99' M3 yet it brakes just the same as when I had my original calipers on. The next step we'll take is to flush his system with some ATE Superblue since it's a nice thing to do before the winter. btw, my factory forged 5 spokes looks better on his white car and his 10 spokes look better on my black car. Go figure. Ed Tang 95 Cosmos M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com

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