E36M3 #1795

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 13:50:07

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#1. Re:Strut Brace - from Vince Throckmorton
#2. RE: [E36M3] rear brake pad life? - from Bruner, Phil
#3. Re: BG Products (was toluene or Xylene) - from Ed Tang
#4. Gas leak... - from Juan Rico
#5. Clutch Engagement Problem - from milvid
#6. Re: Speaking of SMGII and Launch Control - from Heckendorf, David
#7. Re: [E36M3] Gas leak... - from Michael Lawrence
#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Speaking of SMGII and Launch Control - from twisty M3
#9. Re: [E36M3] Clutch Engagement Problem - from Michael Lawrence
#10. Re: [E36M3] Rental car #'s - from Carey Probst

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#1. Re:Strut Brace - from Vince Throckmorton
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:13:00 -0600 From: Vince Throckmorton <vince@rjthrockmorton.com> Subject: Re:Strut Brace FS Strut brace for e36 sedan that started life as a non traction control by BMP, modified to fit on my 98 M3 sedan with TC. first $100 takes it. Vince Throckmorton vince@rjthrockmorton.com

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#2. RE: [E36M3] rear brake pad life? - from Bruner, Phil
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:13:10 -0800 From: "Bruner, Phil" <bruner@littongcs.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] rear brake pad life? My 97 M3 (street use only with a bias for around town vs. freeway) went 40K on the fronts and 48K on the rears. In both cases rotors were at mfg spec min thickness when the pads reached about 1-2mm. It seems that compared to some other vehicles I have owned the BMW pads are very soft and very abrasive resulting in mediocre pad and abysmal rotor life but otherwise good stopping performance. On the plus side the pads/rotors are relatively easy to change and aftermarket parts are affordable (not cheap) My wife has a 98 528i and at 27K (mostly fwy driving)the front pads and rotors were shot, dealer said this was really much better than average, rears went 60K however. If this is my only complaint I can live with it. The black dust is a real pain in the @#$ though. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Liu [mailto:bob_a_liu@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:19 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear brake pad life? Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Liu <bob_a_liu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear brake pad life? I have heard that BMW uses 100%+ anti-lift geometry in the rear suspension. This actually causes the rear end to squat slightly under braking, reducing dive angle. I don't think this would effect rear brake pad life. I don't know about the S40, but Ford has been doing a lot of benchmarking of BMW's, so it wouldn't surprise me that they copied BMW's use of high anti-lift geometry in the rear suspension. My first driver's school a couple weekends back, I wore the front and rear pads at about the same rate, with a 95 M3. I thought it was odd. Bob --- Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:39:45 -0800 (PST) > From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear brake pad life? > > interesting tangential story: > > my fiancee's 2000 Volvo S40 needs new rear pads > every 20K miles. this > is rediculous to me, as my '94 Civic's front pads > first needed > replacing at 80K, and I plan to never do the rears > (well, especially > since i've sold the car and bought an M3 ;-). > > i've talked with lots of Volvo techs about this, and > they all point to > the Volvo's heavy rear brake bias as the culprit. > > allegedly, Volvo uses this to reduce "dive" under > braking. i'm not > sure if i believe this, but there is a consensus > with those fluent in > all things Volvo. possibly BMW's engineers are > thinking along the same > lines. > > -=zs ===== ------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Liu bob_a_liu@yahoo.com ICQ# 22765210 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#3. Re: BG Products (was toluene or Xylene) - from Ed Tang
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:52:36 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: BG Products (was toluene or Xylene) I had checked the distributors in the past and most of them would not sell it. The ones that did sell the product direct, I wasn't sure I wanted to leave a credit card number with them. Some had poorly disigned web pages and I wasn't sure about how secure the order page would be. Call me paranoid, but I wouldn't want to leave credit card info with sources I'm not too sure about. Ed > > http://www.bgprod.com/locator.html > > to find a distributor in your area. Call the > distributor and ask him/her > for the names of a few shops in your city who sell > the products. I don't > think that the distributors will sell directly to > non-commercial end users, > but I may be wrong. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

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#4. Gas leak... - from Juan Rico
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:57:22 -0800 From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Subject: Gas leak... Well, after 5 years and 140K my M3 left me stranded yesterday for the first time... :( I don't blame her-- she has been flawless all this time. I was leaking fuel all over the freeway and inside the car, under the rear passenger seat. I consumed 1/4 of a tank in just 3 miles, so that gives you a good idea. I've heard of this happening before to other people on this list, but I don't remember what the cause was. Anybody have the 411 on this? The car doesn't leak when engine is off. Is this the fuel pump or some brittle hoses that need to be replaced? Is this going to seriously affect my Christmas shopping budget? Thanks much, Juan (Driving a Biturbo Audi All Road today to ease the pain...)

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#5. Clutch Engagement Problem - from milvid
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:25:19 -0600 From: "milvid" <milvid@n1.nalo.nola.navy.mil> Subject: Clutch Engagement Problem In April I installed a UUC Big Boy Clutch Stop in my stock 95. I have all the slop adjusted out and it engages almost immediately. Most of the time it works fine but three times I have had trouble engaging first, and second and third to a lesser extent. If I am stopped on a level grade and put the stick up into the first gear detent the car will actually move forward slightly and then I have to force it in. The car has only been a daily driver since installation and I can't find any physical difference in the clutch pedal when this happens. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Ken Milvid '95 Cosmos LT Ken Milvid Plans and Training Navy Air Logistics Office 4400 Dauphine St. New Orleans, LA 70146 Comm. (504)678-6502 DSN 678-6502 mailto:milvid@n1.nalo.nola.navy.mil <mailto:milvid@n1.nalo.nola.navy.mil>

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#6. Re: Speaking of SMGII and Launch Control - from Heckendorf, David
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:14:36 -0700 From: "Heckendorf, David" <DHeckendorf@broadband.att.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of SMGII and Launch Control According to Bimmer Magazine, you're limited to 30 Launch Control starts before you void your warranty... They don't go into detail about how much of your warranty is voided (clutch, clutch/transmission, clutch/transmission/drivetrain, clutch/transmission/drivetrain/engine, whole damn car??). Also they don't touch on if _YOU_ can disable the ability to access S6?? What about when you give it to a valet (I know, hard to imagine giving it to a valet, much less finding a valet that would know how to operate it), if you give them the "Valet" key, is S6 not available? The only problem BMW NA has is that they are advertising .080 second shifts as being possible with the SMG II; but, according to the BMW AG website, shifts that fast are only available in S6 (along with Launch Control starts). Sounds like false advertising unless they've made S5 in the US (S6 supposedly isn't even a option, even w/o Launch Control) have the .080 second shifting properties of S6 in Europe. It seems to me that, like so many other things that are key-specific in the E46, they could enable the S6 option "by key" and require the purchaser to sign an acknowledgement of what parts of their warranty will be voided when they use the Launch Control the 30th time (of course, they'd also have to have some method that would allow you to find (display a number in the "S6" window of in the instrument cluster?) out have many Launch Control starts you've already done... Dave -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:22:50 -0600 From: "Greg Cernosek" <gcernosek@inetx.com> Subject: RE: Speaking of SMGII and Launch Control Yea, you are probably right. I am not saying I would even do it if it were possible. I was just curious if it could be done. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Ron Buchalski [mailto:rbuchals@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:24 PM To: gcernosek@inetx.com Cc: e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: Re: Speaking of SMGII and Launch Control Greg, I recall reading somewhere (net? magazine?) that the SMGII system has a counter that keeps track of the number of S6 launches performed, and if the counter exceeds a set number (12?), your warranty will be void. So, considering that the US-market cars aren't even shipped with Launch Control enabled, I would imagine that just installing the software to enable the feature would probably void your warranty. That sounds like alot to give up just for the sake of a few F1-style launches. -rb

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Gas leak... - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:37:22 -0800 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Gas leak... Had the exact samething happen except I was in stop and go traffic and just noticed a gas smell really bad. It was my 95 M3 LTW, popped the seat out, took the passenger side cover off. I could not believe my eyes, the fuel line was just resting on the nipple, seems BMW uses a one time clamp and from age, it had slipped off. The fact the car would run amazed me, it was just resting against the nipple, no idea how fuel was getting to it. Anyway, I just used a hose clamp and reattached it, been fine every since. For any of you M3 owners, I would check this ASAP. When I checked my other 95, I could pull it off wiht my hands, even though there were no signs of leakage yet. Pull the seat bottom out, undo the cover on the passenger side of the car, check the clamps and lines on the fuel pump going into the tank. I think it was the passenger side, not 100% positive about that. I am surprised or wonder how many M3/325i have burned due to this happening. Alot of fuel comes out if the hose becomes unattached. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Rico" <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: [E36M3] Gas leak... > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:57:22 -0800 > From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> > Subject: Gas leak... > > > Well, after 5 years and 140K my M3 left me stranded yesterday for the > first time... :( > I don't blame her-- she has been flawless all this time. > I was leaking fuel all over the freeway and inside the car, under the > rear passenger seat. > I consumed 1/4 of a tank in just 3 miles, so that gives you a good idea. > > I've heard of this happening before to other people on this list, > but I don't remember what the cause was. Anybody have the 411 on this? > The car doesn't leak when engine is off. > Is this the fuel pump or some brittle hoses that need to be replaced? > Is this going to seriously affect my Christmas shopping budget? > > Thanks much, > > > Juan (Driving a Biturbo Audi All Road today to ease the pain...) > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Speaking of SMGII and Launch Control - from twisty M3
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:41:22 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Speaking of SMGII and Launch Control Most of the rumors (unfortunately, that's all any of these statements can be until the SMG actually arrives here) I've read have stated that BMW will have S6 available in the US, but with no launch control. Hesitant Member of The Rumor Mill, Jonathan L. >From: "Heckendorf, David" <DHeckendorf@broadband.att.com> > >The only problem BMW NA has is that they are advertising .080 second shifts >as being possible with the SMG II; but, according to the BMW AG website, >shifts that fast are only available in S6 (along with Launch Control >starts). Sounds like false advertising unless they've made S5 in the US >(S6 >supposedly isn't even a option, even w/o Launch Control) have the .080 >second shifting properties of S6 in Europe. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Clutch Engagement Problem - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:40:32 -0800 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clutch Engagement Problem Ok, when you say you have all the slop adjusted out. What exactly do you mean, is that meaning the clutch stop is fully extend so the pedal stops before it gets sloppy? What it sounds like to me, is that you have the stop too far out and the clutch is not engaging completely. I would screw it all the way in or take it out completely to test the car, if it stops slipping, that is your problem. Hopefully not the clutch. Hows the weather in the Big Easy? hope to be there friday Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "milvid" <milvid@n1.nalo.nola.navy.mil> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: [E36M3] Clutch Engagement Problem > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:25:19 -0600 > From: "milvid" <milvid@n1.nalo.nola.navy.mil> > Subject: Clutch Engagement Problem > > > In April I installed a UUC Big Boy Clutch Stop in my stock 95. I have > all the slop adjusted out and it engages almost immediately. Most of > the time it works fine but three times I have had trouble engaging > first, and second and third to a lesser extent. If I am stopped on a > level grade and put the stick up into the first gear detent the car will > actually move forward slightly and then I have to force it in. The car > has only been a daily driver since installation and I can't find any > physical difference in the clutch pedal when this happens. Any thoughts > would be appreciated. > > Ken Milvid > '95 Cosmos > > LT Ken Milvid > Plans and Training > Navy Air Logistics Office > 4400 Dauphine St. > New Orleans, LA 70146 > Comm. (504)678-6502 DSN 678-6502 mailto:milvid@n1.nalo.nola.navy.mil > <mailto:milvid@n1.nalo.nola.navy.mil> > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Rental car #'s - from Carey Probst
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:49:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rental car #'s Hertz: CDP-ID 289425 Avis : AWD # L358190 Carey --- Robert Manger <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:41:31 -0500 > From: "Robert Manger" <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> > Subject: Rental car #'s > > Does anyone have their Roundel handy that list the # we are > supposed to use > for discounts for being members? > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing > list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET > directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

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