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#1. F/S Euro 3.2 engine/hanress - from bmwm3nut@att.net
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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:06:24 +0000 From: bmwm3nut@att.net Subject: F/S Euro 3.2 engine/hanress complete Euro engine with harness and ECU for sale, please send reply only to: spinner100@aol.com -- Tim Ng 95 YELA/BUZZN/M3 92 325ic M-Tech "ULTIMATE TANNING MACHINE" 91///M3 "SUNNY DAY CAR" 88///M3 "TRACK CAR" SICK ENGINE 87 325IS PARTS CAR HOT ENGINE 83 320i "back for sale, buyer never showed" > This digest contains the following messages: > > 1. Re: ///M Stripe Colors - RGB codes request > by: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > 2. YeeeeeeeHaaaaaaa.....Eurosport OBDII Cam Kit Report > by: Wayne Miller <m3@waynemiller.com> > 3. Re: [E36M3] YeeeeeeeHaaaaaaa.....Eurosport OBDII Cam Kit Report > by: The Abels <aAbel@austin.rr.com> > 4. Recall > by: Patrick Dargan <darg01@earthlink.net> > 5. RE: [E36M3] Recall > by: Riley, Scott <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> > 6. Trailer hitch Destruction > by: Ben Tickner <ben@infofusion.com> > 7. Koni Coilovers > by: DiVincenti, A.J. <ADiVin@lsuhsc.edu> > 8. FS: Hot Lap Displays and Receiver > by: Chris Brown <ChrisB@Drextec.com> > 9. Re: [E36M3] 95 cam timing - response from Brett > by: Ron Buchalski <rbuchals@hotmail.com> > 10. Re: OT - Speedvision (NASCAR TV) > by: Dorffer, Rich <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > 11. Supra motor in an E36 > by: Dorffer, Rich <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 23:45:14 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: ///M Stripe Colors - RGB codes request > > on 12/2/01 4:28 PM, E36M3 at e36m3@bmw-m.net wrote: > > > I know this has been covered before, but I was hoping to get the correct RGB > > codes for the 3 "///M" stripes. > > Here are the Pantone (used for printing) codes: > > Blue: Pantone Process Blue > Purple: Pantone 268 > Red: Pantone Warm Red > > Neil > 96 M3 > > > > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:21:11 -0500 > From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> > Subject: YeeeeeeeHaaaaaaa.....Eurosport OBDII Cam Kit Report > > I had my Eurosport OBDII cam kit installed today and all I can say is > WOW! The car drives as smooth as before but it just pulls straight to > the redline in each gear (at least through 4th when I was at 120). It > just feels right and it is hard to describe without driving it. I agree > with Steve that it feels like it could pull all the way to 8,000 RPM > because it shows no signs of letting up at 7,000 RPM. At 5,000 RPM in > 2nd or 3rd, it pulls so hard that I actually felt myself being pressed > into my seat. Forget about the neck snap in first - even the Quaife that > I praise so much has trouble keeping the wheels on the ground (I also > have a lightweight flywheel and 3.46 ring & pinion too) so first comes > and goes in an instant. The moment that I put it in the garage tonight, > I started to look forward to my drive to work tomorrow. > > Truthfully, most of it was installed yesterday but something wasn't > quite right so we took it apart today and found that my VANOS was stuck. > If anyone needs work done in the NYC/NJ area, I can't recommend Ray Adam > enough. He is a nice guy and really knows his stuff. He was very > professional and could probably have done this job with his eyes closed > - well, maybe one eye closed. You can reach him at (732) 713-2700. > > I will be having some other people in the NY area drive it over the next > few days so they can report from outsider's perspectives. Fire away with > any questions. > > -Wayne > '99 M3/2 with just about everything and now close to 300hp (to be > verified on Thursday). > > > > > -------------------- 3 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:36:01 -0600 > From: "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] YeeeeeeeHaaaaaaa.....Eurosport OBDII Cam Kit Report > > Wayne, > > Can you give a rundown of the major parts in the kit? > > cams > injectors? > intake manifold? > hfm > software, shark-injection style? > etc. > > Gracias. > > Jeff > 97 M3/4, desirous of cams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wayne Miller <m3@waynemiller.com> > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 11:28 PM > Subject: [E36M3] YeeeeeeeHaaaaaaa.....Eurosport OBDII Cam Kit Report > > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:21:11 -0500 > From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> > Subject: YeeeeeeeHaaaaaaa.....Eurosport OBDII Cam Kit Report > > I had my Eurosport OBDII cam kit installed today and all I can say is > WOW! The car drives as smooth as before but it just pulls straight to > the redline in each gear (at least through 4th when I was at 120). It > just feels right and it is hard to describe without driving it. I agree > with Steve that it feels like it could pull all the way to 8,000 RPM > because it shows no signs of letting up at 7,000 RPM. At 5,000 RPM in > 2nd or 3rd, it pulls so hard that I actually felt myself being pressed > into my seat. Forget about the neck snap in first - even the Quaife that > I praise so much has trouble keeping the wheels on the ground (I also > have a lightweight flywheel and 3.46 ring & pinion too) so first comes > and goes in an instant. The moment that I put it in the garage tonight, > I started to look forward to my drive to work tomorrow. > > Truthfully, most of it was installed yesterday but something wasn't > quite right so we took it apart today and found that my VANOS was stuck. > If anyone needs work done in the NYC/NJ area, I can't recommend Ray Adam > enough. He is a nice guy and really knows his stuff. He was very > professional and could probably have done this job with his eyes closed > - well, maybe one eye closed. You can reach him at (732) 713-2700. > > I will be having some other people in the NY area drive it over the next > few days so they can report from outsider's perspectives. Fire away with > any questions. > > -Wayne > '99 M3/2 with just about everything and now close to 300hp (to be > verified on Thursday). > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > > > > > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:15:37 -0500 > From: "Patrick Dargan" <darg01@earthlink.net> > Subject: Recall > > > Did anyone get a safety recall for radiator cap problem? Listed on > AllData Feb '01. > > > > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:25:11 -0600 > From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Recall > > Patrick Dargan asked: > "Did anyone get a safety recall for radiator cap problem? Listed on > AllData Feb '01." > > I actually have the original letter from BMW regarding this recall > ("Recall Campaign No. 98V-178" dated July 1999). I obtained it when I > bought my most recent M3 (1995) a few weeks ago. I told you the > previous (original) owner was very meticulous. It even came paper > clipped to the dealer invoice where he had the recall completed. > > If someone has the ability to post this letter on a website for the > entire group to read/download/print, I am more than happy to scan and > email it. > > HTH, > Scott > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:46:47 -0500 > From: "Ben Tickner" <ben@infofusion.com> > Subject: Trailer hitch Destruction > > All right are your ready for this? > > I have a Dalan(25$) hitch (prior used on 3 e36 vehicles). Before > purchasing my 8 inch lifted Silverado 2500 HD. I used the M3 (1995) to > tow my four wheeler, spare tires, tools and gas! I had no problem and I > would travel up to 80mph perodically. I did notice my gas as mileage > drop to 15! > > That's not all. > > After taking my girlfriend riding she insisted on going each weekend > with us. Next week I bought her one, a bigger trailer to hold two 4 > wheelers and all our gear. > > Did I use the M3? > > NO!!! > > I tried putting the trailer on the hitch in my driveway and needless to > say I bottomed out the rear suspension. The hitch held the weight at a > stopped position no problem, I would however guarantee failure backing > out of the driveway or stopping at a light. > > What can the hitch/trunk feasibly hold? > > My 4 wheeler weighs 523lbs, the single trailer was aluminum, the extra > gas can was 6 gal US, and I had a 6 drawer craftsman chest on the front. > I saw no visible damage to the car (except gas mileage) for the 11 60 > mile trips that I took. I am sure that if you are towing a couple sets > of wheels and tools you will never have a problem unless you race other > cars with the trailer attached! > > If anyone would like a pic of my car at the dealer with trailer attached > let me know. The master tech at my dealer has a good one with lots of > people in disbelief. I will scan it and send it in. > > Ben- > 95 M3// > 2001 2500HD > ----------------------------------- > Ben C. Tickner > Vice President > Information Fusion Inc. > 401-782-4224 PH > 401-782-4455 FX > ----------------------------------- > > > > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:30:17 -0600 > From: "DiVincenti, A.J." <ADiVin@lsuhsc.edu> > Subject: Koni Coilovers > > I have the Koni C\0 kit on my 95. I did the install myself and there were > no fitment issues. I am very happy with the setup. > > > A.J. > > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:30:17 -0500 > From: "Chris Brown" <ChrisB@Drextec.com> > Subject: FS: Hot Lap Displays and Receiver > > Hi Folks - > > Just clearing out the garage and found these Hot Lap items. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=598616737 > > Thanks for the bandwidth - > > Chris Brown > ------------- > http://www.ChristianBrown.com > > > > > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 15:42:39 > From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 cam timing - response from Brett > > As Chester said, you can visually check the cam timing. According to the > Bentley manual, if you set the crank position for TDC (where it should be > for cam removal), the cam gears have alignment marks which should be pointed > up (check the Bentley guide for the exact positioning). > > According to Bentley, removing and replacing cams isn't as simple as you'd > think. You also need some special BMW tools. It sounds like something best > left to a _QUALIFIED_ mechanic. > > -rb > > >Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:17:07 -0800 (PST) > >From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 cam timing - response from Brett > > > >You could check the timing by removing the covers to expose the cams. > >You'd then need the cam locator tool that aligns the cam for top dead > >center. Once you do this, you can check for alignment on a notch on the > >harmonic balancer or attempt to insert the top dead center pin through the > >engine block and into a corresponding hole in the stock flywheel > >(aftermarket flywheels don't have this hole). > > > >If any of these don't line up, you have your answer. > > > >HTH, > >Chester > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:14:20 -0500 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: Re: OT - Speedvision (NASCAR TV) > > David wrote> > > Note to Rich: downgrade your cable now and save > > $72. Since the end of the racing season Speedvision > > has largely been about infomercials. How many times > > can you watch Ron Popiel cook a turkey? > > > Ahh...good point, but I have still been catching as many of the SCCA > Valvoline Run-off replays I can which took place at Mid-Ohio. Seems > Speedvision feels it proper to run one replay at 10:00 Monday not again > until 10:00 Friday and so on. At this rate, this will take me through > to the switch over to NASCARVision. > > Best regards, > > Rich - Ducking the infomercials and Popiel ;-) > > > > -------------------- 11 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:15:02 -0500 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: Supra motor in an E36 > > Jeff writes> > > > Just FYI for those who haven't seen this: > > http://neo-mark.com/bmw_e36/ft_320i_2jz.html > > > I guess this guy can take the "BMW M Power" off the bottom of this web > page now. > > Regards, > > Rich > > > > ************************************************************** > Digest Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the digest. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************** >
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#2. Valentine 1 in 3rd Brakelight??? - from Wesley A. Nicolas
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:09:44 -0500 From: "Wesley A. Nicolas" <wes@nicolas.org> Subject: Valentine 1 in 3rd Brakelight??? Hey all - A while back I saw a post that somebody installed a Valentine 1 in their 3rd brakelight...does anyone have that website which has the pictures?? I've checked all the archives and since the DTMPower forum was rebuilt, I can't find the site anywhere. Thanks in advance, Wesley Nicolas '95 M3
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#3. Installation of Valentine Radar Detector in M3 - from Allen Hyman
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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:06:23 -0500 From: Allen Hyman <allen.hyman@motorola.com> Subject: Installation of Valentine Radar Detector in M3 Help - I am trying to hard wire a Valentine Radar Detector into the wiring in the roof above the rear view mirror of my 99M3/2dr. The question I have is which color wire provides a 12V source? I am following an article written for a 540i wiring process, but it references a blue wire as a 12V source and I don't see a blue wire in the M3. Thanks in advance Al Hyman 99M3/2
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Recall - from Todd C. Merrill
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:30:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Todd C. Merrill" <tmerrill@mathworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Recall On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Riley, Scott wrote: > "Did anyone get a safety recall for radiator cap problem? Listed on > AllData Feb '01." > > I actually have the original letter from BMW regarding this recall > ("Recall Campaign No. 98V-178" dated July 1999). I obtained it when I With thanks to Scott: http://users.rcn.com/t.merrill/bmw-m.net/BMWRadiatorRecall.pdf Until next time... Todd tmerrill@mathworks.com 1998 BMW M3 coupe BMW CCA member, Boston Chapter ---
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#5. '95 Cam timing - from Scott Chan
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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:58:28 -0800 From: Scott Chan <scottch@juniper.net> Subject: '95 Cam timing That's not a cam timing problem. It could very well be spark timing or air-fuel mixture issue. Did you hook up a air-fuel probe in the exhaust? You might be surprised by what you see. Also, on an early '95 engine, beware of weak valve retainers which can cause valve float at high RPM. I doubt that's your immediate issue, but it is definitely a durability issue for cars which spend a lot of time at high RPM. -- Scott Chan 1/95 M3, new valve retainers --------- Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 04:19:13 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Liu <bob_a_liu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 04:19:13 -0800 (PST) I just went to the dyno (Dynojet) yesterday, 95 M3 (8/94 build), JimC chip, Euro HFM, JimC intake, flowmaster 50 series deltaflow exhaust. 219 rwhp @ ~6500 rpm (CF=1.0) 211 ft-lb @ ~4300 rpm What I found odd was my hp/tq curves looked very smooth up to ~5500 rpm, then there was a lot of oscillation from then onto 7000 rpm. Also, hp starts dropping off much sooner than the charts I've seen for the Euro HFM.
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Installation of Valentine Radar Detector in M3 - from Reid Conti
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Installation of Valentine Radar Detector in M3 my wire was purple.. - reid 95 M3 > Help - > I am trying to hard wire a Valentine Radar Detector into the > wiring in the roof above the rear view mirror of my 99M3/2dr. The > question I have is which color wire provides a 12V source? I am > following an article written for a 540i wiring process, but it > references a blue wire as a 12V source and I don't see a blue > wire in the M3. > > Thanks in advance > > Al Hyman > 99M3/2 >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Installation of Valentine Radar Detector in M3 - from Rob Jackowitz
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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 15:41:33 -0500 From: "Rob Jackowitz" <rjme@msn.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Installation of Valentine Radar Detector in M3 Another option which is less risky than guessing on the sunroof wiring is to use the lead wire from either of the two visor mirror lights. Just use a wire hanger to snake the wire through. Rob '97 M3 - now a memory :( >Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:10:55 -0800 (PST) >From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Installation of Valentine Radar Detector in M3 > >my wire was purple.. > >- reid >95 M3 > > > Help - > > I am trying to hard wire a Valentine Radar Detector into the > > wiring in the roof above the rear view mirror of my 99M3/2dr. The > > question I have is which color wire provides a 12V source? I am > > following an article written for a 540i wiring process, but it > > references a blue wire as a 12V source and I don't see a blue > > wire in the M3. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Al Hyman > > 99M3/2 > > > > >************************************************************* >List Commands >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. >GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > >To issue a command/request to the server: >Send a message with the command you wish executed as the >subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. >************************************************************* > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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#8. Re: [E36M3] '95 Cam timing - from Robert Liu
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:58:06 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Liu <bob_a_liu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] '95 Cam timing Maybe I mistunderstood the issue with the valve retainers. I thought they were more prone to break when over-revved.. do they really cause valve float? It seems odd to me. I had a chance to scan in my dyno charts over the weekend. Maybe seeing the oscillations will make more sense. Unfortunately, I did not get the A/F ratios. I am in the process of building a DIY WB O2, so hopefully I'll be able to datalog the A/F ratio next time. M3 Dyno - Euro HFM http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/bob_a_liu/vwp2?.tok=bcuj.1OBipgcMtFr&.dir=/1995+M3&.dnm=Dyno+plot.jpg&.src=ph My other toy, 250 rwhp miata Miata Dyno - 13 psi http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/bob_a_liu/vwp2?.tok=bcKj.1OBTkUTDk6F&.dir=/Turbo+Miata&.dnm=Dyno.jpg&.src=ph Bob --- Scott Chan <scottch@juniper.net> wrote: > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:58:28 -0800 > From: Scott Chan <scottch@juniper.net> > Subject: '95 Cam timing > > That's not a cam timing problem. > It could very well be spark timing or air-fuel > mixture issue. Did you > hook up a > air-fuel probe in the exhaust? You might be > surprised by what you see. > > Also, on an early '95 engine, beware of weak valve > retainers which can > cause > valve float at high RPM. I doubt that's your > immediate issue, but it is > definitely > a durability issue for cars which spend a lot of > time at high RPM. > > -- > Scott Chan > 1/95 M3, new valve retainers > > --------- > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 04:19:13 -0800 (PST) > From: Robert Liu <bob_a_liu@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 04:19:13 > -0800 (PST) > > I just went to the dyno (Dynojet) yesterday, 95 M3 > (8/94 build), JimC chip, Euro HFM, JimC intake, > flowmaster 50 series deltaflow exhaust. > > 219 rwhp @ ~6500 rpm (CF=1.0) > 211 ft-lb @ ~4300 rpm > > What I found odd was my hp/tq curves looked very > smooth up to ~5500 rpm, then there was a lot of > oscillation from then onto 7000 rpm. Also, hp starts > dropping off much sooner than the charts I've seen > for > the Euro HFM. ===== ------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Liu bob_a_liu@yahoo.com ICQ# 22765210 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com
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#9. AC Floor Jack Group Purchase - from Ron Katona
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:58:18 -0500 From: "Ron Katona" <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: AC Floor Jack Group Purchase All, With Suzy's blessing I am offering to include members on the E36 M3 digest on a group purchase of AC Hydraulic floor jacks from Steve D'Gerolamo of the Ultimate Garage. In a nutshell, these are among the finest floor jacks available with a host of neat features like handles that won't dent your car, a "dead man's" release safety feature, and best of all an extremely low profile for getting under low and lowered cars like our M3s. You can read about the deal, prices, and the products here: http://www.ultimategarage.com/acjacks.html. The discount will be 10%-15% off list price depending on the number of buyers. All jacks listed there are eligible. I'm offering to be the middle man and collect moneys and ordering info and pay Steve a lump sum. I'm hoping to get 15+ buyers and get the 15% discount. I will go forward with a minimum of six buyers for the 10% discount. Payment will be to me via money order or PayPal only (non-credit card only since I don't have a business account). I'll then pay Steve and have the jacks drop shipped to each of you. I'll seek buyers until the 15th of this month. I'll then notify everyone of the number of buyers and final prices and take it from there. I doubt we can get the jacks by Christmas if that's what you're thinking. If you're interested, e-mail me and I'll provide further instructions. Thanks to Suzy for offering the E36 M3 digest as a vehicle to help make this happen. -- Ron Katona (no affiliation with Steve D'Gerolamo or the Ultimate Garage)
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#10. I'm Crooked - Alignment Help - from Robert Exconde
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:21:02 -0600 From: "Robert Exconde" <99e36m3@exconde.com> Subject: I'm Crooked - Alignment Help Hey gang... need some help. When I got the M3 it started pulling to the right. I decided to add Dinan Camber plates on my 99 ///M3 coupe, then get the alignment so I would save by getting one alignment rather than two. I finally took the car in today to get an alignment and here is what the repost said all in the format degrees.minutes: Left Front: Actual-- Camber: -2.09 Caster: 7.10 Toe: .07 SAI 16.16 Included Angle: 14.07 Turning Angle Diff. ..... Right Front: Actual-- Camber: -1.28 Caster: 7.32 Toe: .07 SAI 15.04 Included Angle: 13.36 Turning Angle Diff. ..... Front: Actual-- Cross Camber: -.42 Cross Caster: .21 Toe: .14 Set Back: .07 Left Rear Camber : -1.46 Toe: .15 Right Rear Camber : -1.38 Toe: .17 Rear Camber : 0.32 Toe: -.01 These numbers are way off I think... They told me that my cross camber was off spec range. And there was nothing that they could do. They told me that I should have had an alignment before adding the camber plates then again after adding the camber plates so they could compare the difference. Specifically this is what the reciept said: "Customer reports had camber plates installed and car pulls to the left. Perform Alignment . Performed a four wheel alignment. Adjusted rear within is spec. front camber and caster off. Customer has fixed camber plates installed that are not adjustable. Advised cross camber off bt 42 See sheet. Advised unable to determine which side side or both bendt witrh after market camber plates." This was taken word for word, mispelling for mispelling. Here is another thing that I noticed that was done wront. I told the SA that the car was pulling to right NOT to the left. Would this have made a difference? Could some one explain this cross camber or point me to a link that will? Also should I have had an alignment before and after the camber plate add-on? I need help. . . How can the camber plates prevent a correct alignment. BTW the car feels definatly different now. May be a hair off (I mean miniscule). I ran down a straight moderate throttle, and hands off and it pulled a bit to the right but I think that it was the road doing it. Robert