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#1. [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:18:04 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question I see there have been several questions regarding M3 strut bearings. I have R&R'd and swapped several M3 strut bearings on everything from '95 coupe to '98 sedan. Somebody thought the '96+ strut bearings are 1/4" higher. Nah. I've compared them side by side. They are identical in height. KMAC adjustable is identical height also. If anything, the '96+ will be 1/8" higher because it has that reinforcement ring. If your M3 really was higher, I'd look for another cause. Probably the shocks. I think new Bilstein struts will raise your car, especially if you don't remove the bumpstops. Probably any new shocks will raise the car a little until they settle. As far as I am concerned, you can interchange the '95 and '96+ strut bearings all you want. In fact, you could put a '96+ on one side and a '95 on the other if for some reason your car had really out of whack camber. On the '96+ strut bearings, the strut is offset to the outside. If you swap the strut bearings left <--> right, you end up with about -3 degree camber. Probably too much for significant street use. But like somebody suggested, if you put '95 strut bearings on a '96+ M3, you end up with a little more negative camber than stock, maybe about -2 degrees. Probably a good amount for street use. Putting '96+ strut bearings on a '95 M3 can give you more or less camber depending on the orientation. Put the '96+ strut bearings on the correct sides as marked by BMW will result in less negative camber. Might even end up with positive camber. Hence, yes you would need to shim the lower strut points to return to the stock negative camber. However, if you swap the '96+ strut bearings left <--> right on a '95 M3 you would end up with a little more negative camber. Probably about right for street use. What about caster? Ahh. Caster is identical or at least so close between the '95 and '96+ strut bearings that it is meaningless. Changing the caster a fraction of a degree is not going to be noticeable. What you are going to find is practically no M3 has perfectly matched suspension measurements. That is left camber may be -1.5 and the right camber might be -1.7. Or caster might be 6.2 degrees left and 6.9 degrees right. My '95 M3 always pulled to the right. I complained about it the first month I owned it. Dealer checked the alignment and said it was within spec. True. I just lived with it for 4 years. Then I put 245 R compound tires on my M3 for street use. It now pulled so hard it was almost dangerous to drive. I took it to probably the best independent BMW mechanic in Dallas and had a $200 alignment. He told me the caster was off 20 minutes left to right but within acceptable BMW range. Everything else was virtual identical and in spec. Everything except caster can be adjusted a little. All I could figure out was the cross caster must be causing the pull. I installed KMAC adjustable strut bearings and fiddled with the caster. I maxxed out one side and set the other side for minimum caster. Bingo! Completely eliminated the pull. My M3 has never steered straighter. I'd say you can reuse the strut bearings regardless of the mileage. Check to see if the bearings turn freely. I'd recommend spraying some penetrating oil into the bearings and making sure they turn easily. Then pack some grease into the bearings. Check to see if the rubber mount is still good. If yes, then reuse the strut bearings. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Dallas, Texas
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#2. Rough tickover problem - from Barry Jones
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:59:05 -0000 From: "Barry Jones" <barry.j.jones@btinternet.com> Subject: Rough tickover problem ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Jones" <barry.j.jones@btinternet.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 #1842 > Hi All > > I wonder if anyone can help me, I was on a track day with my E36 M3 GT (Euro > spec) I got into a bad spin, 180 degree clockwise then 360 degree counter > clockwise. I didnt hit anything, the problem is that since the spin the car > has not been idling properly, it is rough, either settles too high around > 1500 rpm or settles to low around 650 rpm and the car shakes from side to > side. Other than that the car drives perfectly pulls away smoothly and feels > as it used too. Any ideas? > > Barry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:48 AM > Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 #1842 > > > > This digest contains the following messages: > > > > 1. RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > by: Steven Tom <stom@qualcomm.com> > > 2. RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > by: Bob Lenarcik <lenarcik@pacbell.net> > > 3. Oil Pan Baffle > > by: Mark Radelow <radelow@hotmail.com> > > 4. RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > by: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > > 5. Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light > > by: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> > > 6. Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light > > by: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> > > 7. RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > by: Bob Lenarcik <lenarcik@pacbell.net> > > 8. Re: [E36M3] <WTB> E36 ITS Race Car > > by: Thomas Maus, Jr. <tbm2@home.com> > > 9. Wards 10 Best Engines awards for 2002 > > by: B Stoll E36 <m3tec@yahoo.com> > > 10. beefy replacement dead pedal for M3's ? > > by: Dave Spragg <dspragg@mediaone.net> > > > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:57:30 -0800 > > From: Steven Tom <stom@qualcomm.com> > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > > > I picked up about 1.5 negative swapping left to right. I ended up with > > -2.25 driver, -3 passenger. Went through tires too quickly. Swapped back > > to stock. You'll notice that side to side numbers were drastically > > different. Adjustable plates are the way to go. > > > > steve > > > > At 01:48 PM 12/11/01 -0600, Berney, Butch wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:42:41 -0800 > > >From: "Berney, Butch" <butch.berney@lamrc.com> > > >Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > > > > >Good point Alex. I thought about doing that before, but I thought the > number > > >was more like 2 degrees than 0.5 degrees. If it really is that small, > then > > >swapping sides is the way to go. When I change back to the M3 Bilsteins > (H&R > > >Cup kit is installed now) I will do that, and take out the spacers. > > > > > >Thanks for the info :-) > > > > > >Butch > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com [mailto:alex.fadeev@verizon.com] > > > > > >Butch, > > >Alternatively, you could have swapped 96 strut bearings from side to side > > >and gained -0.5 degree of negative camber (instead of getting +0.5 > degrees > > >with properly installed 96 strut bearings on a 95 car). > > > > > >alex f > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************* > > >List Commands > > >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > >DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > > >GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > > > > >To issue a command/request to the server: > > >Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > > >subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > > >************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:44:03 -0800 > > From: "Bob Lenarcik" <lenarcik@pacbell.net> > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > > > Thanks everyone for the input. It seems that there isn't a consensus on > > the whether the original bearings from my car are still usable. At this > > point, the car has been up on stands for 3 weeks and I want to drive it. > > I only get 3-4 hours a week to work on the car and I've been doing more > > work than just the shocks/springs. Not having easy access to air tools > > also makes me less than willing to pull apart the assembly. Besides, the > > roads are in pretty good shape and the car won't be driven all that much > > over the next few months [ (heavy rain + mountains)/(mudslides + 4x4) = > > commute to & from work]. > > > > I've had the struts swapped to get extra neg camber, but it was too much > > for the tires at the time - Yoko AVS Sports. They wore very quickly on > > the inner part of the tread with -2.2 degs of camber. I will probably > > stick with the original bearings now and then get the Ground Control > > plates in the spring. > > > > - Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Chay [mailto:rchay@mindspring.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:40 PM > > To: Bob Lenarcik > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > > > > > Bob, > > > > If you're going to get camber plates, I would strongly recommend either > > Ground Control or TC Kline. They're a bit more expensive (~$400) but > > well worth it. I use KMAC's now and will be changing to TC Kline next > > spring. The KMACs are sloppy. > > > > -Bobby > > '98 M3 > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- 3 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:45:40 +0000 > > From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Oil Pan Baffle > > > > Does anyone offer a similar oil pan baffle for E36's like Turner > Motorsports > > that is out here on the left coast? Figure it might be easier to get it > > locally (and cheap figuring shipping). > > > > > > Mark > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:01:58 -0800 (PST) > > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > > > Ground Control plates only work with coilovers. TMS plates will work with > the > > stock setup, but what someone pointed out to me was rather than spend that > much > > $$$, just use the '95 plates. But now someone pointed out that the '95 > plates > > are shorter in height??? > > > > Chester > > > > --- Bob Lenarcik <lenarcik@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > I've had the struts swapped to get extra neg camber, but it was too much > > > for the tires at the time - Yoko AVS Sports. They wore very quickly on > > > the inner part of the tread with -2.2 degs of camber. I will probably > > > stick with the original bearings now and then get the Ground Control > > > plates in the spring. > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) > > From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light > > > > Well, Thanks to the help of our fellow lister Zack S. > > and his Peake Research tool, we were able to diagnose > > the culprit of the check engine light on my car. The > > problem was (Don't laugh OK?) a loose gas cap. So > > after tightening the gas cap and reset the check > > engine light my car is back to normal. Thanks to > > everyone who replied and specialy Zack for all the > > help. > > > > Joe T. > > '98 M3/4 > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:33:58 -0800 (PST) > > From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light > > > > Well, Thanks to the help of our fellow lister Zack S. > > and his Peake Research tool, we were able to diagnose > > the culprit of the check engine light on my car. The > > problem was (Don't laugh OK?) a loose gas cap. So > > after tightening the gas cap and reset the check > > engine light my car is back to normal. Thanks to > > everyone who replied and specialy Zack for all the > > help. > > > > Joe T. > > '98 M3/4 > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:29:26 -0800 > > From: "Bob Lenarcik" <lenarcik@pacbell.net> > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > > > I have the H&R Coilovers which allow easy height adjustment, so I don't > > think the 1/4" would be big deal. However, I remember reading there was > > a caster difference between the 95 and 96+ M3s. It seems that installing > > the 95 plates in a 96+ car would increase in neg camber but also lose > > caster. I guess that would make the car a little more "twitchy" on the > > highway but make the turn in a bit quicker on the track. The only real > > downside of using either stock bearing is the lack of camber > > adjustability. I remember my car originally had a pretty large > > difference of between the left and right side (but still barely within > > spec). > > > > - Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:09 PM > > To: E36M3 > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Front strut bearing question > > > > > > Ground Control plates only work with coilovers. TMS plates will work > > with the stock setup, but what someone pointed out to me was rather than > > spend that much $$$, just use the '95 plates. But now someone pointed > > out that the '95 plates are shorter in height??? > > > > Chester > > > > --- Bob Lenarcik <lenarcik@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > I've had the struts swapped to get extra neg camber, but it was too > > > much for the tires at the time - Yoko AVS Sports. They wore very > > > quickly on the inner part of the tread with -2.2 degs of camber. I > > > will probably stick with the original bearings now and then get the > > > Ground Control plates in the spring. > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:12:36 -0500 > > From: "Thomas Maus, Jr." <tbm2@home.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WTB> E36 ITS Race Car > > > > Have you seen this: > > > > http://www.sunshinebeemer.com/Bob%20325i%20ITS.htm > > > > If that link doesn't work, go to sunshinebeemer.com . Bob is a standup > guy > > (do they still say that?). > > > > Tom Maus > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Turrisi" <cturrisi@worldnet.att.net> > > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:28 PM > > Subject: [E36M3] <WTB> E36 ITS Race Car > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:22:20 -0500 > > > From: Chris Turrisi <cturrisi@worldnet.att.net> > > > Subject: <WTB> E36 ITS Race Car > > > > > > > > > OK gang, > > > > > > > > > I have the tow vehicle... > > > > > > I have the trailer....(looking at one that I have a deposit on this > > weekend)... > > > > > > I have the garage to store and work on it... > > > > > > So, now I am looking for a well maintained E36 ITS race car (with spare > > > parts if available) for sale... > > > But any car will be considered... > > > > > > > > > Willing to travel anywhere for the right car and price. > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any leads or information, > > > > > > Chris T. > > > > > > PS. I check the usual Turner Motorsport, The Racer's Network, the back > of > > > the Roundel, the back of the SCCA mag ads > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > List Commands > > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > > > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > > > > > To issue a command/request to the server: > > > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > > > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:53:47 -0600 > > From: "B Stoll E36" <m3tec@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Wards 10 Best Engines awards for 2002 > > > > Nice article. > > > > > http://industryclick.com/microsites/index.asp?srid=10250&magazineid=1004&sit > > eid=26 > > > > OM3C - Yes. > > > > -Bob Stoll > > 98M3/4 > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:29:35 -0500 > > From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> > > Subject: beefy replacement dead pedal for M3's ? > > > > Not looking for a cover, a complete replacement. Who makes them and who > has > > them? > > > > Post you answers right here on the board as I have heard more than one > > person gripe about the flexible plastic junk that comes with the wonderful > > E36 cars. I am looking for a more stout one I think... although the > diamond > > plate floor pan with the left corener flipped up at the correct angle may > be > > my dead pedal in this race car. > > > > Dave Spragg > > dave@spragg.com > > Natick, MA > > 99 M3 Garage Queen > > 92 "330is" track/race > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > Digest Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the digest. > > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > > > To issue a command/request to the server: > > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > > ************************************************************** > > >
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#3. For Sale Battery Charger Automatic 10/2amp - from Christopher J. N. Kolaitis
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:10:18 -0600 From: "Christopher J. N. Kolaitis" <chrisjnk@ix.netcom.com> Subject: For Sale Battery Charger Automatic 10/2amp I have two too many battery chargers. Battery Charger Automatic 10/2amp for 12-volt batteries. Dual Rate 10/2 amp, High/Low Amperage, Fully automatic, solid state. Schumacher Model 50A2PE. Paid $49.99, still in box with instructions. Sell for $25.00 Chicago area local pick up or meet only. TIA, Chris
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light - from tristar500@mac.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:23:40 -0600 From: tristar500@mac.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light What code does the Peake reader give you for a loose gas cap? Dave On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 10:48 , E36M3 wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) > From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light > > Well, Thanks to the help of our fellow lister Zack S. > and his Peake Research tool, we were able to diagnose > the culprit of the check engine light on my car. The > problem was (Don't laugh OK?) a loose gas cap. So > after tightening the gas cap and reset the check > engine light my car is back to normal. Thanks to > everyone who replied and specialy Zack for all the > help. > > Joe T. > '98 M3/4
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#5. What I really am having done to the M3.... - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:10:23 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: What I really am having done to the M3.... "Winter Prep" http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/melmyers12/vwp?.dir=/Funny+Stuff&.dnm=4x4_02.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t -Radelow _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light - from Joe Tan
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:29:16 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light Dave, It was the 'FE' code. --- tristar500@mac.com wrote: > What code does the Peake reader give you for a > loose gas cap? > > Dave > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 10:48 , E36M3 > wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) > > From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Check Engine light > > > > Well, Thanks to the help of our fellow lister Zack > S. > > and his Peake Research tool, we were able to > diagnose > > the culprit of the check engine light on my car. > The > > problem was (Don't laugh OK?) a loose gas cap. So > > after tightening the gas cap and reset the check > > engine light my car is back to normal. Thanks to > > everyone who replied and specialy Zack for all the > > help. > > > > Joe T. > > '98 M3/4 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Oil Pan Baffle - from Steven Tom
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:44:27 -0800 From: Steven Tom <stom@qualcomm.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Pan Baffle Mark, I wonder if you could just have the shop weld in a plate in your stock one? Seems like that would be fairly inexpensive and cost about as much to do an oil change. steve At 03:48 PM 12/11/01 -0600, Mark Radelow wrote: >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:45:40 +0000 >From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> >Subject: Oil Pan Baffle > >Does anyone offer a similar oil pan baffle for E36's like Turner >Motorsports that is out here on the left coast? Figure it might be easier >to get it locally (and cheap figuring shipping). > > >Mark
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Oil Pan Baffle - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Pan Baffle Huh? It's quite involved to remove the oil pan. Not sure if it would cost as much to do an oil change. =) Chester > I wonder if you could just have the shop weld in a plate in your stock > one? Seems like that would be fairly inexpensive and cost about as much to > do an oil change. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Oil Pan Baffle - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:25:09 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Pan Baffle It's about 4 1/2 hours to R&R the pan (according to Carl at La Jolla Ind.). **SIDENOTE** I am having a racing event at Holtville Raceway in February. It is a limited event with only 30 cars (invite only) and it will be cheap (around $100-$150 for two days of unlimited driving). If you are interested in attending or have questions please feel free to email me. -Mark 95 ///M3 Sick. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
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#10. [E36M3] S03 Prices are down - from twisty M3
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:56:11 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] S03 Prices are down I was lucky enough to find someone with whom I can swap 7.5" wheels for 8.5" and went to the Tire Rack site to check on prices for 245s. Whoah!!! Prices on the 245/40-17 are "only" $201 now, and the 225/45-17s are only $170-something. Don't know how long they've been that low, but it's a substantial savings over what I'd paid on my original set of these. Just a helpful hint to anyone else who has to do some holiday shopping for themselves. ;) Jonathan L. '99 M3 soon-to-have 245s on all corners _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com