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#1. RE: [E36M3] Chip, Intake, or Both? - from David Hogg
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:24:21 -0800 From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Chip, Intake, or Both? If you're only going to do one, then you can only do the software. Then, if you later decide to do the intake, you'll have to redo the software, because it's programmed differently from the OBDII software for the stock intake. If you do the intake on the OBDII motor, then you must also do the special intake compatible software. IMHO, Shark software alone yields a similar incremental performance improvement to the one you will later find when you further upgrade with the intake and upgrade software. So if it's a choice between one or the other, then go with the intake ; ^ ) Dave Hogg Been there, done that incremental upgrade thing...
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#2. where to buy...14mm hex bit for differential - from david kroth
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> Subject: where to buy...14mm hex bit for differential Napa carries Allen wrenches (yes, the Allen brand name) in all reasonable sizes, including 14mm. It should be $3-$5. Also, Autozone carries a set of three allen sockets (1/2" drive) in their tool section. The brand is "O.E.M." and they are made overseas, but I've found the quality quite reasonable for infrequent use. The sizes are 12mm, 14mm, and 17mm. Price is about $15 IIRC. ===== David Kroth david_kroth@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Chip, Intake, or Both? - from The Abels
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:17:28 -0600 From: "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Chip, Intake, or Both? > > If you're only going to do one, then you can only do the software. Then, if > you later decide to do the intake, you'll have to redo the software, because > it's programmed differently from the OBDII software for the stock intake. > If you do the intake on the OBDII motor, then you must also do the special > intake compatible software. Really? Never heard of that. I'm running a CAI on my OBD II M3. No ill effects. Car has been dyno'd, tracked, and driven in city and highway venues. Short drives and long. I'd understand that perhaps one would "want" software optimized for the configuration of mods, but "must"? After all, the HFM is downstream of the filter. Jeff 97 M3/4, happily revving to stock redline with stock software and aftermarket CAI
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Chip, Intake, or Both? - from Jay G
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:54:59 -1000 From: Jay G <jguzman@hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Chip, Intake, or Both? hi david...back when the shark injector was first introduced, i e-mailed Jim C himself, asking if there was going to be two versions of the sofware, to work with or without an intake...he replied that there is only one version of the software, and that it would work with or without an intake...just another data point... David Hogg wrote: > If you're only going to do one, then you can only do the software. Then, if > you later decide to do the intake, you'll have to redo the software, because > it's programmed differently from the OBDII software for the stock intake.
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#5. Re: [E36M3] How to upgrade 8 button OBC to 16 button on 99 M3? - from Matt Henson
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:26:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to upgrade 8 button OBC to 16 button on 99 M3? Hey, right on man. If there's an easy way to make it work then bring it on. People have been asking this question for many years and the answer has always been "don't ask." So I never looked at it. If I've been perpetuating misinformating then I'll be the first to admit it. Too bad the OBC is almost useless for me with the bigger injectors of the turbo.. -Matt --- John Firestone <john.firestone@nord-com.net> wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Matt Henson wrote: > > > Nope. It's totally different and requires hand > wiring > > and, IIRC, some re-programming to make it work. > It's > > highly not recommended. > > -Matt, who is also stuck with the 8-button OBC.. > > Harrumph. I think it is highly recommended not to > give up so easily. :) > > -John > '96 318is (whose owner had heard it before but added > an OBC anyway) > > -- > john.firestone@nord-com.net > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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#6. Sale - Ebay, V1, OEM M3 Springs, Subwoofers - from Brent95M3@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:00:31 EST From: Brent95M3@aol.com Subject: Sale - Ebay, V1, OEM M3 Springs, Subwoofers I am selling a few things off of my M3 since it is sold. I have a Valentine 1, as new condition. OEM M3 Springs (maybe some friends have a 325 or 318i. Also have two MTX Thunder 6000 Subwoofers. I am posting the Amp and box here shortly so if you are interested in these as well, they will be available too. Sound is pretty "intense" but is only 50 lbs so not too heavy. Here is the link: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=cars1st@aol.com&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Thanks, Brent Parks 1 BAD M3 gone on Tuesday :-(
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:08:19 -0500 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispitude@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins At 01:48 PM 12/13/2001 -0600, Berney, Butch wrote: >Bilsteins have always tended to raise whatever car they are installed on >when compared to non-gas pressurized shocks with the same springs. I had >(temporarily testing an H&R Cup kit) the M3 Bilsteins with H&R sport springs >on my car, and I would definitely not say they were "poorly matched". The >ride was excellent (subjective) and the control around smooth, or bumpy, >corners was fantastic. I'll second this. The control of the Bilstein/H+R spring setup while cornering on bumpy roads is amazing. And the roads where I live are ROUGH - potholes and patches and crumbling macadam and more - and this suspension just soaks it all up and delivers a beautiful ride, while maintaining very good control when you really want to throw the car around. Granted other suspension setups might be better on perfect road surfaces. But, they (and my kidneys) would never survive on the roads around here, let alone deliver a ride this smooth and crisp. It's a beautiful thing. - Chris
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#8. steven hazard -- plz stop - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:58:58 -0800 (PST) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: steven hazard -- plz stop my apologies to the list, but i am unable to get this person's direct email address. steven, please don't send me any more emails. it appears as if you are trying to send me 68MB of audio or video. my yahoo mailbox cannot hold this large amount of data, nor do i want to take the time to download it. i could get on my soapbox of email being a very poor filesystem, and if you want to distribute files, putting them on a webserver is a much more effecient method -- but i'll hold off. i recognize that you are sending me this because you are good natured, but i'm afraid that because of technical reasons i can't accept your kind gift ;-) zs __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:53:57 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins I am getting into this thread a little late. For some reason I don't get all the E36M3 posts and I missed the initial question. Sorry for regurgitate the previous post. Two or three things to remember about shocks and ride height. Most shocks are gas pressurized. Have you ever noticed if you take a shock off the car and compress it, it will slowly extend to its full length after you let go? That is due to the internal gas pressure. It takes a little bit of weight to compress and hold the shock in. You may have fought with the shocks to put them on. You are trying to lay on the ground and push the shock up enough to get the bolt started while the darn shock is trying to extend. If your OE shocks have more than about 30,000 miles on them, I guarantee you the front struts are dead. Take them off and compress them. They won't rebound and extend on their own. Or they will be so slow you could milk a cow faster. I'm sure new OEM struts will have much more "rebound" force than 30K struts. I'll bet replacing the worn struts with new OEM will raise the car some amount. Think of the shocks/struts as weak helper springs. How much force does it take? It varies. Stock struts probably don't need much effort. But Bilsteins I'll estimate take about 40 lbs to compress and hold. Doesn't sound like much but think of it this way - it is the same effect as removing 160 lbs from your car. If you lighten your car, the ride height will rise. If the springs have a spring rate of 200 lbs/in, 40 lbs less weight would raise the car 0.2". Yeah, I can believe Bilsteins raise your M3 1/4" vs. dead OE struts. Koni's require less weight to compress so they would have less effect on ride height vs. Bilsteins. The other thing to remember about Bilsteins is that stupid internal bumpstop in the front struts. You are practically on the bumpstop at normal ride height. I made some measurements and I would say you can only lower your M3 0.5 inch before you hit the bumpstop. So if you install any kind of lowering springs, you won't get the full drop due to the bumpstops. Remove the bumpstops and the car will sit a little lower. I ran into this bumpstop problem with my Dinan springs. Dinan springs only lower my M3 about 0.5 inch so I was not expecting the bumpstop to be a problem. However, it was. After I removed the bumpstops, my M3 is much better riding. This is the reason I argue Bilstein's M3 struts are poorly designed and mismatched to the M3. I agree with Alex. I really think they were originally designed for the regular E36 series. The M3 struts are a good 2 inches too long. There is no reason on earth why you should be sitting on the bumpstop at static height. The regular 3 series models sit higher than the M3 and need a longer strut, hence proves why I think Bilstein just grab an E36 strut and welded on the sway bar attachments. And third, be sure you compare ride height with the same amount of gas in the car and other stuff. I've noticed that my M3 drops 1/4 inch from empty tank to full tank. As for the Bilstein's ride being "excellent" or "beautiful", well I guess it is subjective. However, I have an M3 shod with Bilsteins that you can drive. If you can say with a straight face my ride is beautiful, I'll buy you a new set of Bilsteins. ;-) Perhaps there are differences in the Bilsteins? That doesn't speak well of quality control if some Bilsteins are cement truck hard and others are Cadillac soft. But I don't disagree Bilsteins are great performance shocks. They dramatically change your M3. No more body roll. Very well control motions. You have to really truly like and want a stiff suspension. I like my Bilsteins now that I removed the bumpstops. I may someday get them revalved but for now I can live with them. I'd say 80% of the people would get tired of Bilsteins on short order. Well adjusted Koni's would be a better choice for most people. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Dallas, Texas ------------------------------------------------ butch.berney@lamrc.com writes: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:42:47 -0800 > From: "Berney, Butch" <butch.berney@lamrc.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins > > alex.fadeev@verizon.com wrote: > I can not verify the above info first hand but have no reason to doubt > Turner's observation. > Yet another testimony that E36 Bilstein Sports are poorly matched with E36 > M3 cars (sounds more and more like Bilstein recycled regular E36 Sport > shocks and threw them on the M3). As a reference point, the same H&R OE > springs mated to Koni shocks lower the car between 0.5-1". This is > according to TC Kline's web site and my personal observations. H&R Sports > with Koni lower the car ~1.5" according to TC Kline. > Just say no to E36M3 Bilsteins. > > Bilsteins have always tended to raise whatever car they are installed on > when compared to non-gas pressurized shocks with the same springs. I had > (temporarily testing an H&R Cup kit) the M3 Bilsteins with H&R sport springs > on my car, and I would definitely not say they were "poorly matched". The > ride was excellent (subjective) and the control around smooth, or bumpy, > corners was fantastic. > > If ride height is your main criteria, then Koni, or someone's coil over kit > might be your choice. If you are looking for performance with very good ride > characteristics, then I definitely would not rule out Bilstein. > > I said yes to E36M3 Bilsteins...and am quite happy. :-) > > Butch 94 325is with M suspension (mostly)
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins - from Matt Henson
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:59:23 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins There must be some major variations in the Biltsteins. I have them, stock springs and bars on my '95 and the ride feels like it should have stock to me. I feel the bumps less than in my '99 Boxster yet it has less roll and is just more precise. I used to have the H&R sport springs with the Bilts - now that was a harsh ride. Maybe it's subjective but I don't imagine that most M3 owners would complain about the ride of my car. Even my buddies VW GTI feels harder over bumps.. Just my 0.02.. Not all Bilts are evil. Just most of them? -Matt --- LoweSeaton@aol.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:53:57 EST > From: LoweSeaton@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and > Bilsteins > > As for the Bilstein's ride being "excellent" or > "beautiful", well I guess it > is subjective. However, I have an M3 shod with > Bilsteins that you can drive. > If you can say with a straight face my ride is > beautiful, I'll buy you a new > set of Bilsteins. ;-) Perhaps there are > differences in the Bilsteins? That > doesn't speak well of quality control if some > Bilsteins are cement truck hard > and others are Cadillac soft. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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#11. Seat Backs - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:07:35 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Seat Backs Tim writes > > I have searched and search, but to no avail. I have a 97 M3/4 w/ Dove > interior. The previous owner must have parked the car outside. The seat > backs are yellowed pretty badly. I am curious if any of you know where I > might find the entire plastic seat backs? Any ideas? This sounds stupid to me but have you tried a BMW dealer? Many advertise in the Roundel and my local dealer offers a very good discount to compete with the mail order folks. Best regards, Rich