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#1. Re: Chip, Intake, or Both? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:51:18 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Chip, Intake, or Both? on 12/14/01 9:18 AM, "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> wrote: >> If you're only going to do one, then you can only do the software. Then, if >> you later decide to do the intake, you'll have to redo the software, because >> it's programmed differently from the OBDII software for the stock intake. If >> you do the intake on the OBDII motor, then you must also do the special >> intake compatible software. > Really? Never heard of that. I'm running a CAI on my OBD II M3. No ill > effects. Car has been dyno'd, tracked, and driven in city and highway > venues. Short drives and long. I'd understand that perhaps one would > "want" software optimized for the configuration of mods, but "must"? After > all, the HFM is downstream of the filter. I bought JimC's OBD-II software when it first came out (i.e. well before the Shark Injector device). When later I added the CAI I had to supply the ECU again have the software upgraded to suit. In fact I took it with me on a ski trip to Utah early last year, and Josh at Eurosport did the upgrade for me while I watched - cool! My understanding, which very well be imperfect, is that the fundamental programming remained the same, but that one of the error limits needed to be altered to avoid nuisance tripping the Check Engine Light. Possibly this last mod may now be part of the basic software package, eliminating the need for those two versions, but I really don't know. Neil 96 M3
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#2. [E36M3] Koni Question - from Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:56:26 -0500 From: Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com Subject: [E36M3] Koni Question I was wondering if all the Koni sets sold are just strut inserts, or whether some actually come installed on the E36M3 housings. TC Kline's web site makes it sound like you get struts, not strut inserts. Have they done the install themselves? I'm thinking doing the suspension on my '98 M3 with 38K miles, now that the shocks are becoming wearing out. So far, I've come up with the following choices: Dinan springs + Koni SAs (does Dinan sell you strut inserts or the inserts installed?) Euro M3 springs + Koni SAs UUCs springs (similar to Euro) + Koni SAs H&R OE + Koni SAs I'm looking for about 1/2" drop with a slightly stiffer, more controlled ride. However, the nasty Boston roads (and winter driving) prevent me from going too low and stiff. For rear shock mounts, I'll probably go with the E46M3 convertible rear shock mounts. Did anyone have an opinion on any of the above options? Thanks, Colin '98 M3/2 (JC intake+software, X-brace, R4S, clutch stop, 9005s, redline...)
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Chip, Intake, or Both? - from NickG
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:46:40 -0500 From: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Chip, Intake, or Both? Neil is right, but that was back then. I believe that now, all Shark programming comes with the CAI fix, so there aren't different versions any more. Nick > >> If you're only going to do one, then you can only do the software. Then, if > >> you later decide to do the intake, you'll have to redo the software, because > >> it's programmed differently from the OBDII software for the stock intake. If > >> you do the intake on the OBDII motor, then you must also do the special > >> intake compatible software. > > > Really? Never heard of that. I'm running a CAI on my OBD II M3. No ill > > effects. Car has been dyno'd, tracked, and driven in city and highway > > venues. Short drives and long. I'd understand that perhaps one would > > "want" software optimized for the configuration of mods, but "must"? After > > all, the HFM is downstream of the filter. > > I bought JimC's OBD-II software when it first came out (i.e. well before the > Shark Injector device). When later I added the CAI I had to supply the ECU > again have the software upgraded to suit. In fact I took it with me on a ski > trip to Utah early last year, and Josh at Eurosport did the upgrade for me > while I watched - cool! > > My understanding, which very well be imperfect, is that the fundamental > programming remained the same, but that one of the error limits needed to be > altered to avoid nuisance tripping the Check Engine Light. > > Possibly this last mod may now be part of the basic software package, > eliminating the need for those two versions, but I really don't know. > > Neil > 96 M3
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Chip, Intake, or Both? - from andy radin
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:44:04 -0800 From: "andy radin" <fourfa@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Chip, Intake, or Both? > If you're only going to do one, then you can only do the software. Then, if > you later decide to do the intake, you'll have to redo the software, because > it's programmed differently from the OBDII software for the stock intake. > If you do the intake on the OBDII motor, then you must also do the special > intake compatible software. not true. when the intake first came out, JimC posted to the lists and boards that under some strange atmosperic conditions, the intake could cause a secondary O2 sensor under-temp warning which would throw a short CE light. He changed the code to be a little more selective about that warning. That's the only change to account for the intake, according to him back then. He incorporated it into the standard program rather than track two nearly identical versions. If you had the programming done more than two years ago, you would have the old version but are still unlikely to see the problem. That's how I recall it anyway. andy r. 98 m3/2
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#5. Re: [E36M3] JimC intake sound bytes - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:35:46 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] JimC intake sound bytes From which perspective do you want to hear it? Driver's seat? Under the hood? Outside the car? For the driver's seat perspective, try putting the mic at the inside (centermost) side of the driver's headrest. For under the hood, somewhere inside the baffle area should work. You'll need to find the place with the least amount of turbulence. Outside the car? Find a quiet road, or an empty parking lot (office building on a Sunday), set up your equipment at the roadside, and play. -rb >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:01:40 -0800 (PST) >From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] JimC intake sound bytes > >when i got the car, i wanted to share the magnificent sound with some >far-away friends, but the wind noise drowned out the exhaust/intake >sound too much (had the windows rolled down). > >i tried putting the mics in several locations in the car, but it never >sounded right. > >anyone have good suggestions for doing this? revving the engine in >neutral doesn't sound the same as when it's actually pulling a load. > >-zs _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:55:04 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins Along this line of thinking, I believe that the standard M3 Bilsteins are probably optimally valved for the Euro M3 springs, and also happen to work with the US M3 springs. The successful matching of Bilsteins and aftermarket springs seems to come after custom valving (i.e., the Dinan package). Does anyone on the list have standard M3 Bilsteins and Euro M3 springs? How is that combination? -rb >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:59:23 -0800 (PST) >From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins > >There must be some major variations in the Biltsteins. > I have them, stock springs and bars on my '95 and the >ride feels like it should have stock to me. I feel the >bumps less than in my '99 Boxster yet it has less roll >and is just more precise. I used to have the H&R >sport springs with the Bilts - now that was a harsh >ride. Maybe it's subjective but I don't imagine that >most M3 owners would complain about the ride of my >car. Even my buddies VW GTI feels harder over bumps.. >Just my 0.02.. Not all Bilts are evil. Just most of >them? >-Matt _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins - from Berney, Butch
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:06:04 -0800 From: "Berney, Butch" <butch.berney@lamrc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Height Diffs with H&Rs and Bilsteins The M3 Bilstein strut is definately not a refitting of a regular E36 version with a tab for the sway bar. The length, lower spring mount, and diameter of the shock shaft, are all different. In fact, the shock shaft is large enough that it will not accept a M3 external bump stop. Removing the internal ones means the ultimate hard stop. I am lucky to ride on fairly decent roads here in the SF Bay Area, but don't like the thought of suspension components hitting metal hard stops that they weren't meant to. A few people that I have corresponded with have mentioned that the internal bump stops are a problem on the Bilsteins. I could not find anywhere that had information about removing the stops, and I don't see how the strut would come apart to be able to remove them, although I did not look that hard at it. I would love to see pictures, or even a text explanation of removing the internal Bilstein stop. I called both the east, and west coast Bilstein offices and talked with their respective "technical" guys, and they both said "use the factory stop and cut it down". Can't do that since the Bilstein shaft is too large in diameter. When I asked if there was an internal stop, they didn't know. I was pretty sure at the time that there was, but they couldn't, or wouldn't, provide any information on this. I have the Bilsteins out of the car now, so if someone could explain how, I would do try taking them apart and publish the pictures. As for ride quality (so subjective, I know), I have to say that over the small freeway stuff, it would probably be considered "harsh" by most people. The larger bumps, and particularly bumps in corners, are controlled amazingly well. If my car were on the bumpstops, I find it unlikely that the suspension could do this. The H&R Cup Kit is more pleasant to live with day-to-day, but it does not seem to control the bumps as well. Grr, decisions, decisions...I am getting good at changing the suspension since I am on my fourth time. Maybe I should get my own Hunter alignment rack ;-) Butch 94 325is with M suspension (mostly)
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#8. replacing all bushings?? - from bmwm3nut@att.net
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:25:34 +0000 From: bmwm3nut@att.net Subject: replacing all bushings?? Hi Gang, newbie here going to replace all the suspension bushings in my 95 M3. I am planning on replacing ALL the rear bushings. Trailing arms, all 4 rear sub-frame, rear sway bar links... The front, I am going to replace the front top strut bearing, and sway bar up links. I am also going to do Bilstein sports(I know it will raise the car a hair) I don't want to lower the car any as this is my street car. I am going to keep the factory springs unless someone is selling a set of used H+R or Eibachs(what ever) for cheap. Question is: what kind of bushings should I use? I heard you all mention Powerflex, what is their web site? What other alternatives is there? I am thinking of doing stock (factory) rear subframe bushings. I am getting JT design rear shock mounts. Is there a offset (camber correction) front top strut bearings like on E30s and E28s. My goal is to freshen the handleing of the car without getting real stiff.(I have a full track car for that). thanks -- Tim Ng 95 YELA/BUZZN/M3 92 325ic M-Tech "ULTIMATE TANNING MACHINE" 91///M3 "SUNNY DAY CAR" 88///M3 "TRACK CAR" SICK ENGINE 87 325IS PARTS CAR HOT ENGINE 83 320i "back for sale, buyer never showed"
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#9. RE: Shark and Intake sound byte - from Joseph Bachman III
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:18:14 +0000 From: "Joseph Bachman III" <josephbachman@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Shark and Intake sound byte Since consensus reigns that a ride far outweighs a soundclip, are there any JimC intaked listers in Baltimore that want to take me for a spin and let me hear the intake growl first hand? Jay Bachman _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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#10. Bilsteins and wheel spacers... - from Juan Rico
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:59:57 -0800 From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Subject: Bilsteins and wheel spacers... Hi All, I'm getting ready to install my Bilsteins next weekend. Here's my dilemma though. Tire Rack screwed up on my Breyton wheels and sent me the front ones with the incorrect offset. Now, this only presents a temporary problem whenever I install new brake pads. That little metal clip (bracket) on the caliper brushes on the wheel spokes due to the extra thickness of the pads and makes my car sound like a rattler for a while. But now I'm wondering if the Bilstein struts are wider than the stock ones and I might have some brushing issues on the inside of the wheel. I'll also be installing Eibach springs, if that makes any difference. Does anybody know how the two struts compare? Just in case I need to have some spacers close by for the install, what is the maximum width you can go with spacers without having to upgrade to larger bolts? Thanks for any info... Juan.