E36M3 #1864

Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:39:13

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#1. Re: Speeding Tickets - from Neil Maller
#2. Shop rates (was R&R rear trailing arm bushings) - from Michael Schaublin
#3. Re: [E36M3] hid - from Chester Wong
#4. Re: [E36M3] hid - from Robert Exconde
#5. speeding tickets - from Paul Elliott
#6. Re: [E36M3] speeding tickets - from Peter Guagenti
#7. RE: [E36M3] hid - from Kit Wetzler
#8. Re: [E36M3] hid - from Sue Kraft
#9. speeding tickets - from j.demartino@us.qiagen.com
#10. Re: [E36M3] speeding tickets - from Peter Guagenti

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#1. Re: Speeding Tickets - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:27:22 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Speeding Tickets on 12/20/01 8:58 AM, JasonJ75@aol.com wrote: > The office running the class said there were no quotas in the local force, but > there was an average by which everyone was judged and held to. Talk about a distinction without a difference! Neil 96 M3

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#2. Shop rates (was R&R rear trailing arm bushings) - from Michael Schaublin
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:44:39 -0500 From: "Michael Schaublin" <mike_schaublin@hotmail.com> Subject: Shop rates (was R&R rear trailing arm bushings) <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> <P><BR>on 12/19/01 10:48 PM, Peter Fanning <P.FANNING@VERIZON.NET>wrote:  <BR>> For those of you that have done this procedure, how long did the job take  you? I'm not <BR>> really comfortable doing it myself but a local (Seattle) shop wants to charge 6 hours of > labor. Sounds high. </P></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Neil Maller replied: <DIV></DIV>>It took maybe 3 hours to do mine at home, and that was without any of the <DIV></DIV>>special tools that a BMW dealer should have ...With the factory press tools I'd say 1 hour <BR>> per side tops: <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a prior career I did some work with an OEM regional service manager.  He commented that techs are paid their hourly wage times the number of flat rate hours they charge.  Experienced techs would quit and go elsewhere if they couldn't do most R&R jobs in 1/3 the flat rate charge.  If the charge for a bushing R&R is 6 hours, it probably is a 2 hour job.  I would look for an independent who charges actual hours worked.  There's a big variance in charges.  I was getting quotes for a cam swap on a 94 325, and the labor quotes ranged from $250 to $1500, with most around $750.  It pays to shop around.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mike</DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: <a href='http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag1_etl_EN.asp'>Click Here</a><br></html>

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#3. Re: [E36M3] hid - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] hid There is no advantage. People like the look of the really blue HIDs that are seen on some bimmers or Mercedes from the factory. It's my understanding that this bluer hue comes from the reflector design, optics, etc. When you put a standard bulb like that into a regular reflector, the light comes out less blue (but it's still, by far, not yellow). I think the issue between 4300k and 6000k is similar to the standard halogen and those lame "blue ion" type bulbs. Less light, but they look "cooler". Chester --- Sue Kraft <skraft1@new.rr.com> wrote: > Then what are the advantages of the 6000K conversion kit? If there is less > light on the road, is it a whiter light, vs more yellow with the 4300K? ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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#4. Re: [E36M3] hid - from Robert Exconde
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:53:00 -0600 From: "Robert Exconde" <99e36m3@exconde.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] hid There really is no advantage. Perhaps a slight increase in contrast, but at the cost of less light. I believe that these were put out to apease some of the people who want the more blue look of the 1st generation HIDs (Commonly found in former S-Class and late the earlier 7-Series) A Seattle owner of a Dinan M5 replaced his stock headlamps with these 6000K bulbs, and his stock HIDs went into the fog lamps. I'll dig up a picture of it, but pictures really dont show off the color or the intensity difference of these bulbs. re >Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:50:31 -0600 >From: Sue Kraft <skraft1@new.rr.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] hid > > >Then what are the advantages of the 6000K conversion kit? If there is less >light on the road, is it a whiter light, vs more yellow with the 4300K? > >Sue

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#5. speeding tickets - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:16:15 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: speeding tickets >>someone said that the cops are just out there to protect us....maybe some of theyre duties are meant to protect us, but setting up radar/laser/pacing traps are definitely meant to make the state money, not protect the citizens.<< I'm not one of them, but assuming that prevailing values are such that 'speeders are bad; speeders cause accidents; stop speeders and save lives...', then doesnt that make the above captioned statement ring false? I mean, if you buy into the idea of my quote, ie, that speeders are bad etc, then doesnt this justify speed traps as a 'citizen protecting' measure, and not just a revenue enhancer for the state? --------------------------------------------------------- Paul Elliott '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio

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#6. Re: [E36M3] speeding tickets - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:32:27 -0800 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speeding tickets on 12/20/01 8:18 AM, Paul Elliott at pelliott@rcn.com wrote: > I'm not one of them, but assuming that prevailing values are such that > 'speeders are bad; speeders cause accidents; stop speeders and save > lives...', then doesnt that make the above captioned statement ring false? That would be easier to accept if _all_ police did not speed. Coming from family that has a number of cops in it (NYPD), I can flat out tell you that they feel the same way about 'speeding' as we do. Does that stop them from issuing tickets? Of course not. Let's think about this for a minute. This is sort of the equivalent of a DEA agent smoking a little pot on the side (which for the most part is a misdemeanor). If it's socially acceptable, make it legal. This is yet another indication of our inability as Americans to make people accept responsibility for their actions. Instead of slowing us all down, how about forcing the idiots who simply steer and push the go-pedal how to actually _drive_ their cars. - peterg (regularly do +/- 100mph on the interstate and don't whine -- too much -- when I get tickets)

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#7. RE: [E36M3] hid - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:12:00 -0800 From: "Kit Wetzler" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] hid > Then what are the advantages of the 6000K conversion kit? If there is less > light on the road, is it a whiter light, vs more yellow with the 4300K? Sadly enough, it's just like those silly blue coated halogen bulbs. Yes, they produce a "whiter" light, but at the expense of intensity. :( The standard 4300K bulbs produce a plenty white light. some cars use a projector housing that causes more defraction around the edges, which results in the very purple looking lights. (such as Audis and The Honda S2000) -kit

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#8. Re: [E36M3] hid - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:37:14 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <skraft1@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] hid Thanks much for the info. Maybe I'll just stick with the standard kit. Is $450 a decent price? I think I saw them cheaper, but can't remember where. Sue Kit Wetzler wrote: > > Sadly enough, it's just like those silly blue coated halogen bulbs. Yes, > they produce a "whiter" light, but at the expense of intensity. :( > > The standard 4300K bulbs produce a plenty white light. some cars use a > projector housing that causes more defraction around the edges, which > results in the very purple looking lights. (such as Audis and The Honda > S2000) > > -kit

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#9. speeding tickets - from j.demartino@us.qiagen.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:36:33 +0100 From: j.demartino@us.qiagen.com Subject: speeding tickets Ressell wrote: "someone said that the cops are just out there to protect us....maybe some of theyre duties are meant to protect us, but setting up radar/laser/pacing traps are definitely meant to make the state money, not protect the citizens. russell" Russell, This string is starting to piss me off. It was I that said the above and I feel the same way about radar traps... they catch the retards going 30 over in their uncontrollable SUVs and all the other comparatively uncontrollable cars as well as the hipo car owners that think they have the right to speed just because their cars are fast. I have news, it doesn't matter how quick your car is, you are subject to the same traffic laws as everyone else is and you knew it before you plopped down 50 large on your BMW. I once rented a 2000 Mercury Grand Marquis.. the thing felt "unsafe at any speed" unbelievable instability over the slightest road imperfections, it would kick out to the right in the rear requiring compensation in the steering wheel... what a POS! Just like most any Mustang GT with the solid rear axle, 220 hpV8, but now we can mix a 17 year old with his baseball cap on backwards into the equation... Now put either one of these cars in the hands of anyone going 30 over, putting on lipstick (or err umm, black stripes under their eyes to absorb glare for the rugby match ;p), and smoking a cigarette while on a cell phone... I don't want these people going these kinds of speeds on the same road I am on so I do consider this protection. The sooner you resign yourself to accepting that the limits need to be appropriate for the full range of drivers we share the road with... with regard to level of car control and car performance, the sooner you will understand why the limits are where they are. My German friends laugh at the fact that Americans buy 400 hp cars to drive on roads with speed limits. They say if they lived in the US they would buy the slowest most efficient diesel pig they could find because "what's the point". This comes from our CEO who owns a 7 series AMG and "drives 150 mph to work every day". If you want to feel like you are going fast then either take your car to the track or buy a '78 Mini Cooper... 60 feels like 120! I can see their point but those of us who are track junkies have another way of looking at things! Speeding is not a right for you or anyone else, so don't do it and if you get caught, pay the fine. You know the rules, you spend probably 90% of your time on the road breaking them, you rarely get caught, but when you do, please don't cry about it after the fact. I for one do not feel sorry for anyone who does. You will have have no problem with speed traps if you weren't speeding. John

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#10. Re: [E36M3] speeding tickets - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:35:56 -0800 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speeding tickets on 12/20/01 9:38 AM, j.demartino@us.qiagen.com at j.demartino@us.qiagen.com wrote: > The sooner you resign yourself to accepting that the limits need to be > appropriate for the full range of drivers we share the road with... with > regard to level of car control and car performance, the sooner you will > understand why the limits are where they are. <RANT> I think this is the inherent problem for those of us that discovered car control clinics, track events, auto-x, etc. We are at the upper end of the spectrum. I discovered just how far up the other end the other night driving home on I-680 by Walnut Creek, CA. There was an accident in the left lane, so everybody started locking up their brakes. I carefully started to brake down from my ~85mph speed (that's what all traffic was doing) and got into the next lane to the right. All of a sudden, about 3 car lengths in front of me an SUV pulled out from a dead stop in the left lane. I was doing ~60 mph at that point. This idiot never checked to see if someone else was coming so, not panicking, I ease on the brakes as I drive around to the right. My passenger was freaking because they thought they were dead, but I was in control the whole time. I am sure I would not have reacted this way with out all of the great instruction and seat time I've had over the past two years. This is not how other drivers think. I've watched guys who were speeding all of a sudden get into an extreme situation and not know what to do. This is how accidents occur, and this is why they keep low speed limits. These kind of people don't deserve to drive at 55mph, much less at speeds exceeding that. So what do we do? We slow everyone down. Why? Because people are afraid to turn around and _expect more_ from drivers on the the road. Driving is treated as a right in this country, despite what everyone says. Implement mandatory car control clinics as part of _all_ driver training. Make new licensees test for real car control and accident avoidance, not just if they can parallel park. Retest everyone every 3 years and, if you can not drive anymore, take their license away. Jail people who drive without a license/insurance/etc. I hate our tendency as American's to dumb everything down for obstinate people. Raise the bar. Make people learn to be better drivers. Make people work harder for the privilege of driving an automobile/motorcycle/4-ton behemoth SUV. Safer roads come from better drivers, not slower speeds. People get hurt and killed at "safe" speeds everyday. </RANT> -peterg

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