E36M3 #1910

Wednesday, January 09, 2002 20:46:22

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#1. Fw: [E36M3] Re: shot shocks - from Robert Chay
#2. camber plates - from RacerxJLing@aol.com
#3. Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... - from Mark Radelow
#4. Re: [E36M3] camber plates - from Robert Chay
#5. Re: [E36M3] camber plates - from twisty M3
#6. Re: [E36M3] Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... - from The Abels
#7. Re: [E36M3] camber plates - from The Abels
#8. Re: [E36M3] Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... - from Chester Wong
#9. Re: [E36M3] Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... - from The Abels
#10. Re: Bushing Squeak - from The Abels

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#1. Fw: [E36M3] Re: shot shocks - from Robert Chay
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:56:44 -0500 From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: Fw: [E36M3] Re: shot shocks ----- Original Message ----- > maybe the NJ chapter just has wusses at his events...lol...jk Hey... I just got here so that's yet to be determined :P > BTW, I don't remember anyone talking about Eibach springs...just Eibach sway > bars. I'm running Eibach springs and Bilstein struts/shocks and am very happy with them. They're pretty stiff (or I'm getting old) but I like it. Or it could be that NJ/NY roads really suck. I also have UUC sways and like them a lot. -Bobby 98 M3

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#2. camber plates - from RacerxJLing@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:56:52 EST From: RacerxJLing@aol.com Subject: camber plates I know this has been beaten to death in the past but I never thought I would need them. My alignment guy suggested that I do to induce more POSITIVE camber since my car is lowered with H&R sports front and race rear. I don't autox/track the car. What is the general consensus on the BEST camber plates out there for my needs. Thanks Jeff 95M3 100xxx miles

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#3. Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:26:03 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... Amazing! My mechanic refuses to install the Powerflex bushings into my car. As he put it, it'll break the car. His arguement was that the stock rubber bushings are there to absorb the lateral shock to the suspension. If you install poly then the metal (aka control arms and frame) will start absorbing the shock and eventually you'll start breaking things. I am tending to maybe believe him because why would he actually choose to LOSE money... Thoughts??? He did a great job on my headgasket though... :) Mark R. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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#4. Re: [E36M3] camber plates - from Robert Chay
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:40:43 -0500 From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates Kmacs are good to change camber/caster for the street and they're the cheapest ($ wise) solution. I don't know why you'd want to induce positive camber though. Even with the car lowered, it should be fine. Rears might need to be adjusted so you don't get uneven wear on the rear tires. -Bobby ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:56:52 EST > From: RacerxJLing@aol.com > Subject: camber plates > > > I know this has been beaten to death in the past but I never thought I > would need them. My alignment guy suggested that I do to induce more > POSITIVE camber since my car is lowered with H&R sports front and race > rear. > > I don't autox/track the car. > > What is the general consensus on the BEST camber plates out there for my > needs. > > Thanks > > Jeff > 95M3 100xxx miles >

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#5. Re: [E36M3] camber plates - from twisty M3
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:52:25 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates Well, I can't really compare various plates, as I only have experience with the TC Kline versions. I'm perfectly happy with them, but if you go that route, I highly suggest you also install the '96+ reinforcement plates. Mine went in without them originally and I ended up with some shock tower dimpling. Now they're fine, and they seem to have reduced the front end harshness a bit. They're also real purty, but how often will you actually see them? Plus, they aren't cheap. They are are high-quality though, and they do their job well. I'd assume the less-expensive KMAC plates would do the job, as I don't recall any complaints from owners of them. I'm sure someone will chime in if they've had problems though. Jonathan L. >From: RacerxJLing@aol.com > >I don't autox/track the car. > >What is the general consensus on the BEST camber plates out there for my >needs. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... - from The Abels
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:20:05 -0600 From: "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... > Amazing! My mechanic refuses to install the Powerflex bushings into my car. > As he put it, it'll break the car. His arguement was that the stock > rubber bushings are there to absorb the lateral shock to the suspension. If > you install poly then the metal (aka control arms and frame) will start > absorbing the shock and eventually you'll start breaking things. I am > tending to maybe believe him because why would he actually choose to LOSE > money... Thoughts??? > > He did a great job on my headgasket though... :) > > Mark R. I think your mechanic is thinking too hard. Why would he lose money? Perhaps b/c he's never done the install before with aftermarket parts and knows the install can be a bear with OEM parts? Fear of the unknown, untested? Who knows. I'm running Powerflex t/a bushings and couldn't be happier. I would never go back to stock bushings based on their current performance. I'm about to hit another track event, and in so doing, have another tech inspection. No problems so far, and not expecting any this time around. . . As for the front control arm bushings, several folks have recommended regular replacement of control arms anyway for cars that see regular track duty. . . I see this as a regular 'wear item'. Jeff 97 M3/4, happily powerflexed

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#7. Re: [E36M3] camber plates - from The Abels
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:23:09 -0600 From: "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates > I know this has been beaten to death in the past but I never thought I > would need them. My alignment guy suggested that I do to induce more > POSITIVE camber since my car is lowered with H&R sports front and race > rear. > > I don't autox/track the car. > > What is the general consensus on the BEST camber plates out there for my > needs. > > Thanks > > Jeff > 95M3 100xxx miles What are your current settings? I'd be surprised if your negative camber were so drastic to merit adding camber plates for more positive camber. Jeff 97 M3/4, -2 camber up front

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:29:27 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... > I'm running Powerflex t/a bushings and couldn't be happier. I would never > go back to stock bushings based on their current performance. I'm about to > hit another track event, and in so doing, have another tech inspection. No > problems so far, and not expecting any this time around. . . Tech inspection, first of all, is somewhat laughable. I mean, you still hear of cars whose radiators let go, no brakes, etc. But most imporantantly, tech inspection will not reveal torn rear trailing arm bushings or rear trailing arm bracket mounts (the things that pulled through on Wayne's car). > As for the front control arm bushings, several folks have recommended > regular replacement of control arms anyway for cars that see regular track > duty. . . I see this as a regular 'wear item'. Yup...many things, I consider, are consumables. Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... - from The Abels
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:36:19 -0600 From: "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Powerflex bushings....what my mechanic said... > > I'm running Powerflex t/a bushings and couldn't be happier. I would never > > go back to stock bushings based on their current performance. I'm about to > > hit another track event, and in so doing, have another tech inspection. No > > problems so far, and not expecting any this time around. . . > > Tech inspection, first of all, is somewhat laughable. I mean, you still hear > of cars whose radiators let go, no brakes, etc. But most imporantantly, tech > inspection will not reveal torn rear trailing arm bushings or rear trailing arm > bracket mounts (the things that pulled through on Wayne's car). Really? Three tech inspections ago, the shop that I frequent spotted worn t/a bushings and inquired whether I noticed weird behavor during hard braking/acceleration. I figured they'd notice worn powerflex bushings and/or torn metal. . . Of course the tech that did the inpection is an independent, is a bimmerhead, a mechanical engineer, a racer, and knows our cars inside and out. Hell, he can swap cams in under 3 hours. Maybe I am just lucky with the access to a skilled tech. The dealer never said boo about the worn t/a bushings. Jeff 97 M3/4, still happily powerflexed

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#10. Re: Bushing Squeak - from The Abels
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:38:27 -0600 From: "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: Bushing Squeak > I just talked w/ Chris at shox.com and he mentioned to me that what > makes black bushings black is graphite and it also prevents them from > squeaking. I was set on getting some PowerFlex bushings but from the > pictures I have seen they are blue. So my question is; Do PowerFlex > bushings generally squeak as reported below? > Squeak free in six months of use and 3 track events. YMMV. Jeff 97 M3/4

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