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#1. Re: [E36M3] Fwd: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) - from jsofro
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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:19:48 -0800 From: "jsofro" <jsofro@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fwd: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) I am planning on doing this event in my newly acquired E36 M3. =20 This looks to be a great event and promises to be a who's who of the automobile world. The BMW's are classified at competitive levels so let's see how many of us can get out there!! =20 Thanks, =20 James F. Sofronas Global Motorsports Group www.globalmotorsportsgroup.com <http://www.globalmotorsportsgroup.com>=20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: peter@guagenti.com <mailto:peter@guagenti.com> =20 To: E36M3 <mailto:e36m3@bmw-m.net> =20 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: [E36M3] Fwd: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:00:20 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com <mailto:peter@guagenti.com>=20 Subject: Fwd: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) Okay, this looks to be a very cool event. Sort of a West Coast "One Lap", with=20 some rules geared towards a lower-stress event. Check the web-site for details:=20 http://www.opentrackchallenge.com <http://www.opentrackchallenge.com>=20 Anyone on this list planning on running this event? Need a co-pilot? ;-) -p Forwarded Message: > To: < invitations@opentrackchallenge.com <mailto:invitations@opentrackchallenge.com> > > From: invitations@opentrackchallenge.com <mailto:invitations@opentrackchallenge.com> (OTC Invitations) > Subject: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:20:54 -0600 > ----- >=20 > Open Track Challenge is less than four months away and we already = have some > of the most impressive driving talent and hardware lined up and ready to > rock. From race-prepped Ferrari F40's in our top class to ProRallye Beetles > and Lotus Elises in our lowest class, the best of the best (be they weekend > track participants or seasoned pros) are coming out en masse. >=20 > News of late: >=20 > * $1250 and a free entry in '03 to any former One Lap of America competitor > who can get in the Top 5 at OTC. > * American GT classes revised for nearly all V8 RWD cars. > * Competition Guide released. > * Constructors Championship announced. >=20 > Your name has been forwarded to us by someone who thinks you have = what it > takes to be part of OTC. Please visit http://www.opentrackchallenge.com <http://www.opentrackchallenge.com> if > you want to be part of THE series of the year. We hope to see you in May! >=20 > - OTC Staff >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com <http://www.hispeed.com>=20 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the=20 subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net <mailto:e36m3@bmw-m.net> . *************************************************************
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Fwd: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) - from jsofro
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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:35:28 -0800 From: "jsofro" <jsofro@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fwd: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) I would be competing in the Unlimited 2 Class which is the racing class over 3.0 liters. There are many other classes to choose from but I am sure there are other fast E36 M3's that will run for the top spot. =20 James ----- Original Message -----=20 From: peter@guagenti.com <mailto:peter@guagenti.com> =20 To: jsofro <mailto:jsofro@email.msn.com> ; E36M3 <mailto:e36m3@bmw-m.net> =20 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fwd: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) So in other words, if we have to compete aginst you we don't have a snowballs=20 chance in hell? ;-) I'm still looking for someone to co-drive with, or even tag-along as an = observer/photographer and I'm more than happy to drive between events. ;-) -p > I am planning on doing this event in my newly acquired E36 M3. =20 > This looks to be a great event and promises to be a who's who of the > automobile world. The BMW's are classified at competitive levels so > let's see how many of us can get out there!! >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > James F. Sofronas > Global Motorsports Group > www.globalmotorsportsgroup.com = <http://www.globalmotorsportsgroup.com> >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: peter@guagenti.com <mailto:peter@guagenti.com> =20 > To: E36M3=20 > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:07 PM > Subject: [E36M3] Fwd: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) >=20 >=20 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:00:20 US/Pacific > From: peter@guagenti.com <mailto:peter@guagenti.com>=20 > Subject: Fwd: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) >=20 > Okay, this looks to be a very cool event. Sort of a West Coast = "One > Lap", with=20 > some rules geared towards a lower-stress event. Check the web-site for > details:=20 > http://www.opentrackchallenge.com <http://www.opentrackchallenge.com>=20 >=20 > Anyone on this list planning on running this event? Need a co-pilot? > ;-) >=20 > -p >=20 > Forwarded Message: > > To: < invitations@opentrackchallenge.com <mailto:invitations@opentrackchallenge.com> > > > From: invitations@opentrackchallenge.com <mailto:invitations@opentrackchallenge.com> (OTC Invitations) > > Subject: The Track Event of the Year! (OTC '02) > > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:20:54 -0600 > > ----- > >=20 > > Open Track Challenge is less than four months away and we already > have some > > of the most impressive driving talent and hardware lined up and > ready to > > rock. From race-prepped Ferrari F40's in our top class to ProRallye > Beetles > > and Lotus Elises in our lowest class, the best of the best (be they > weekend > > track participants or seasoned pros) are coming out en masse. > >=20 > > News of late: > >=20 > > * $1250 and a free entry in '03 to any former One Lap of America > competitor > > who can get in the Top 5 at OTC. > > * American GT classes revised for nearly all V8 RWD cars. > > * Competition Guide released. > > * Constructors Championship announced. > >=20 > > Your name has been forwarded to us by someone who thinks you have > what it > > takes to be part of OTC. Please visit > http://www.opentrackchallenge.com <http://www.opentrackchallenge.com> if > > you want to be part of THE series of the year. We hope to see = you > in May! > >=20 > > - OTC Staff > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= -> --- --------------- > This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. > http://www.hispeed.com <http://www.hispeed.com>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing > list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). >=20 > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the=20 > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net <mailto:e36m3@bmw-m.net> . > ************************************************************* >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com <http://www.hispeed.com>=20
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#3. ASC Button - from Robert Exconde
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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:44:47 -0600 From: "Robert Exconde" <99e36m3@exconde.com> Subject: ASC Button I recieved my January Roundel a while back but I havent gotten a chance to read it till now. On Page 10 it describes that you need to hold the DSC button to disable theDSC and ADB. I dont have a E46, but I find it quite curious I havent heard of this on the E46. Is there any truth to this "dual stage" disactivation? Second comment is that on my E36M3 when I press the ASC button the light goes on and ASC is deactivated. However when I hold the ASC button down for more than about 10 seconds it STAYS off, and not allowing me to reactivate the system should I want to. This also works in the revers manner with the ASC STAYING on. Does anyone know what purpose this serves? Robert 99 M3 Chicago, IL
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Did anyone see this "M3 for sale" ad? - from donna seeley
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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:10:26 -0800 From: donna seeley <dlseeley@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Did anyone see this "M3 for sale" ad? Cool! My truck has an ///M plate in front! Donna --------- 88 BMW M3, "Guido", #41 JP 95 BMW M3, super-commuter 91 Dodge M3 4x4, Guido's chauffeur On Monday, January 21, 2002, at 06:27 PM, Scott Yu wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:22:10 -0800 > From: "Scott Yu" <scott@ditherdog.com> > Subject: Did anyone see this "M3 for sale" ad? > > "1997 bmw 328is, m3. I say m3 becuase it has the m3 badges. It > is a dark > metallic blue, with custom 17" Chrome rims, Borla exhaust, custom > intake, > alpine, cd. Light grey leather, PERFECT shape. only 67,000 miles. > LOADED!!" >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] ASC Button - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] ASC Button --- Robert Exconde <99e36m3@exconde.com> wrote: > Second comment is that on my E36M3 when I press the ASC button the light > goes on and ASC is deactivated. However when I hold the ASC button down for > more than about 10 seconds it STAYS off, and not allowing me to reactivate > the system should I want to. This also works in the revers manner with the > ASC STAYING on. Does anyone know what purpose this serves? Hmmm...never noticed this. But ASC is a pretty cool thing. It can be intrusive at the track or autox when you really want to get the power down, but in the slippery stuff, it's quite good. It snowed 'round here on Saturday and I took advantage of the opportunity and took my car out to a big open area and spent a half an hour practicing car control. I highly recommend it ;) There were other people there too, to my surprise, but they were more concentrated on doing donuts where I was doing 4 wheel drifts and trying to catch the car so as to avoid the PAS (pendulum ass syndrome) ;) =) Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Re: Spacers for trailing arm bushings - GC spacers - from Tom Tice
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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:17:41 -0500 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Spacers for trailing arm bushings - GC spacers In response to Chester's post below: MAYBE ... But my expectation is that the stock bushings are designed to absorb small rotations and up and down motions and can do this for a very long time before failing. I believe that the more significant destructive mechanism is indeed the excessive lateral movement allowed by the design of the bushing/carrier. If you drive an M3 like Grandma these things don't fail...and she still goes over bumps. It's only us track junkies that rip them apart in 20K miles from hard cornering. Additionally, it is the lateral movement of the trailing arm that causes the dynamic toe changes (especially after the bushings have failed or ripped) and the resulting "Oh shit" feeling under hard cornering when the rear end seems to develop a mind of its own. It is the bushing's loss of ability to control the lateral movement that is the actual failure mode. I also suspect that with these spacers you would not even notice the typical rip in a stock bushing since the lateral movement has been nearly eliminated. Tom Tice > -----Original Message----- > From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:31 PM > To: Tom Tice; E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Spacers for trailing arm bushings - GC spacers > > > > I have the GC bushing reinforcement "spacers" and like them a lot. They > > result in a very solid feeling rear end (keep your mind out of > the gutter > > please) during cornering but introduce no harshness whatsoever > and should be > > no more stressful on the mounting structure than stock bushings alone. > > > > Once you see how these actually fit, you will understand that the OEM > > bushings will not fail unless the spacers fail. Jay at GC tells me that > > these are made of some high tech (not Delran) material that is nearly > > indestructible. They should last forever but I don't think > they have been > > around for more than about 18 months or so. Mine have been on > my car for > > about a year of daily driving and 4 three day track events > (maybe 10K miles > > total). > > Hmm...I'll have to disagree on this. I understand that the GC > inserts go not > fill the void in the trailing arm bushing itself. Instead, it > fills the void > in the bracket. The bracket is basically a box with two "cones" pointed > inwards. The cones have a flat top and that's where the metal > sleeve of the TA > bushing rests against. To my knowledge, the GC inserts fill the > void around > the cone. This should prevent any lateral movement of the TA w.r.t. the > bracket. Now, while pulling the TA out or in and changing toe > will definitely > add wear and tear on the bushing, upward and downward movement > also fatigues > the bushing. The bushing is press fit into the TA so it doesn't > rotate. The > bracket clamps onto the sleeve in the middle of the bushing. The > bracket is > then bolted to the body. So what happens when you go up and down > over a bump? > The TA rotates, but the bushing doesn't (w.r.t. the TA) and the > inner sleeve > doesn't rotate w.r.t. bracket. So the rubber between the outside > sleeve and > inside sleeve of the TA bushing gives. When I looked at my bushings (34k > miles), the rubber starts to crack and break away from the inner > sleeve (the > rubber is miraculously bonded to both the inside and outside > sleeve). So as > long as you have vertical suspension travel, you're going to break those > bushings. > > I figure the bushings are cheap (~$15 each) and I can replace > them each time > before an alignment (which probably will happen on an annual > basis). The thing > I like about the OE bushings is that they are always under > tension. Since the > rubber is bonded to the sleeves, whether you compress in one > direction, you're > always pulling in the opposite direction. That's why I also like the OE > (albeit E46M3) RSMs. The center sleeve is always under tension until they > fail. > > That's my $.02, > Chester > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Re: Spacers for trailing arm bushings - GC spacers - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:28:44 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Spacers for trailing arm bushings - GC spacers Please allow me to clarify. I'm not saying that the inserts are useless. Actually, I think they can be very benficial. What I was getting at is nothing will last forever especially when you add track time forces to the mix. The same goes for other aftermarket parts like camber plates (that use spherical bearings), aluminum monoball TA bearings, heim joint sway bar links, etc. Basically, those bearings develop play as well and need to be serviced regularly. Chester --- Tom Tice <tetice@triad.rr.com> wrote: > MAYBE ... But my expectation is that the stock bushings are designed to > absorb small rotations and up and down motions and can do this for a very > long time before failing. I believe that the more significant destructive > mechanism is indeed the excessive lateral movement allowed by the design of > the bushing/carrier. If you drive an M3 like Grandma these things don't > fail...and she still goes over bumps. It's only us track junkies that rip > them apart in 20K miles from hard cornering. > > Additionally, it is the lateral movement of the trailing arm that causes the > dynamic toe changes (especially after the bushings have failed or ripped) > and the resulting "Oh shit" feeling under hard cornering when the rear end > seems to develop a mind of its own. > > It is the bushing's loss of ability to control the lateral movement that is > the actual failure mode. > > I also suspect that with these spacers you would not even notice the typical > rip in a stock bushing since the lateral movement has been nearly > eliminated. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
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#8. correction - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:05:31 -0800 From: Kit Wetzler <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: correction > always pulling in the opposite direction. That's why I also like the OE > (albeit E46M3) RSMs. The center sleeve is always under tension until they > fail. If you properly tighten the GC RSMs, they are always under tension as well. Polyurethane doesn't compress much. :) I've seen the GC Trailing arm reinforcements and I think the powerflex bushings are better. The stock bushings allow too much toe change under load, it's very obvious when you're driving fast and the back end somewhat has a mind of its own. The powerflex bushings give a much more solid feel. Chester, I think you're thinking that there is more slop in the bushings than there is, with the GC reinforcements. -kit
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#9. Re: Spacers for trailing arm bushings - GC spacers - from Robert_J_Norwalk@raytheon.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:52:44 -0500 From: Robert_J_Norwalk@raytheon.com Subject: Re: Spacers for trailing arm bushings - GC spacers It was written: >> Once you see how these actually fit, you will understand that the OEM >> bushings will not fail unless the spacers fail. Jay at GC tells me that >> these are made of some high tech (not Delran) material that is nearly >> indestructible. They should last forever but I don't think they have been >> around for more than about 18 months or so. Mine have been on my car for >> about a year of daily driving and 4 three day track events (maybe 10K miles >> total). Chester comments.. >Hmm...I'll have to disagree on this...snip ... So as >long as you have vertical suspension travel, you're going to break those >bushings. I believe the point was that the spacers would last forever, not necessarily the bushing. It will most certainly extend the life of the bushing however. >I figure the bushings are cheap (~$15 each) and I can replace them each time >before an alignment (which probably will happen on an annual basis). That seems excessive, even for a regularly tracked car... >The thing >I like about the OE bushings is that they are always under tension. Since the >rubber is bonded to the sleeves, whether you compress in one direction, you're >always pulling in the opposite direction. That's why I also like the OE >(albeit E46M3) RSMs. The center sleeve is always under tension until they >fail. I'm sure there's a point here, but I don't see it :) I have had the GC spacers for more than a year. They're inexpensive, work well, and are easy to install. Hard to see a down side to that Rob 93 325
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#10. RE: 328is M3 - from Joseph Bachman III
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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:38:44 +0000 From: "Joseph Bachman III" <josephbachman@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: 328is M3 If only I carried a camera around in my car! About two months ago I had seen a neon endowed honda civic with an M3 badge on the back. I really was curious as to why he would stick that on there... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx