E36M3 #1958

Thursday, January 24, 2002 17:08:01

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Manual Fan clutch switch addition - from Ron Buchalski
#2. Sheesh... - from Mark Radelow
#3. Re: [E36M3] Thanks to all - from NickG
#4. Re: [E36M3] Buying a 1996 M3 - from Mark Radelow
#5. Thanks to all - from Robert S. Hatrak II
#6. Re: [E36M3] Thanks to all - from Mark Radelow
#7. re: rear end is getting loose - from Tim Gergen
#8. RE: [E36M3] Buying a 1996 M3 - from Juan Rico
#9. Re: [E36M3] Manual Fan clutch switch addition - from andy radin
#10. Re: UNSUBSCRIBE - from DAAJIBOLA@aol.com
#11. RE: [E36M3] Sheesh... - from Carey Probst

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Manual Fan clutch switch addition - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:38:30 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Manual Fan clutch switch addition This is definitely a valid test for the fan clutch. I tested the fan clutch on my E34 this week, and with very little effort, the newspaper completely stopped the fan. Looks like another $100 for repairs... -rb >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:01:06 -0600 >From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Manual Fan clutch switch addition > <snip> >cooling to the engine. Thus the test for a properly working viscous clutch >is to wait for the engine to warm up to operating temps and than attempt to >stop the fan from spinning with a folded newspaper. If the viscous clutch >is good it will tear through the newspaper (watch you fingers!). _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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#2. Sheesh... - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:51:26 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Sheesh... Not to be negative or anything...but all this posting about things breaking on our cars at 30k miles and 60k miles and 80k doesn't really bode well for the reliability of BMW or cars in general.... My O2 sensor went bad at 45k miles, my radiator needed replacing at 60k miles, my headgasket was replaced at 65k miles (previous owner overheated so not really reliability issue), my shocks are blown at 65k as well as the rear shock mounts... I'm not complaining it's just there seems to be a lot of parts on our car that don't last very long....Kinda ridiculous. Really makes a point for only owning cars for a couple years while they are under warranty or even leasing... Mark _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Thanks to all - from NickG
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:06:18 -0500 From: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Thanks to all > It is a buggar to get to, but I think Roger Graves figured out a potential fix. > As I recall, the knock sensors usually don't go bad, but electrical > connections do. > > Chester Oh, they go bad all right. Both of my sensors had cracked casings. Nick

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Buying a 1996 M3 - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:54:10 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Buying a 1996 M3 I don't think the differences are THAT noticable. The 95 actually handles better IMHO although the 3.2 does have noticable more torque down low (which is countered by the 3.0 liters more willingness to rev, again IMHO). Reliability is not really an issue. The cars are generally at the same level of reliability (fair to good). If you like what you have keep it. The differences aren't really worth it...IMHO. Mark 95 ///M3 From: Noah Weinstein <nzw212@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Noah Weinstein <nzw212@yahoo.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: [E36M3] Buying a 1996 M3 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:37:36 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:36:40 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Weinstein <nzw212@yahoo.com> Subject: Buying a 1996 M3 Subject: 1995 vs 1996 I'm absolutely in love with my 1995 M3. I've had it for a few years and it's been great in every respect. Here's the situation: I have the opporutnity to buy a pristine 1996 with half the mileage, traction control, the remaining 7 months of the factory warranty and some factory/dealer options that I don't have. Really it's the mileage that I'm most interested in. What are peoples' opinions on the 95 vs the 96? I'm sure some people are going to say that I should stick with a good thing. I don't dissagree. However, I'd like to get more (mileage, less maintenece on the lower mileage car) out of my car. I guess what I'm asking is, would I just get more of what I love about my 95? Thanks for the advice! Noah _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag/?http://auctions.yahoo.com> Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag/?http://auctions.yahoo.com> ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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#5. Thanks to all - from Robert S. Hatrak II
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:44:21 -0800 From: "Robert S. Hatrak II" <rob@hatrak.com> Subject: Thanks to all I've tried to respond to everyone individually, but in case I missed anyone I wanted to say thanks for all of the (fast!) help. Though I had them replaced about a year ago, everyone thinks my control arm bushings are shot. I'll have that checked out again. The cluster test procedure was forwarded to me by many people. Thanks! Chester says the knock sensor that is giving a fault is going to be a booger to get to. I need to do some more research on this to find out what part I need, etc. Thanks again to everyone. This list is the best. Rob 95 M3 "Grandpa"

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Thanks to all - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:10:55 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Thanks to all O2 sensors actually go bad quite easily. The busted headgasket on my car (which really was only weeping) destroyed my O2 sensor...They are quite sensitive I guesss... Mark From: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> Reply-To: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Thanks to all Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:57:52 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:06:18 -0500 From: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Thanks to all > It is a buggar to get to, but I think Roger Graves figured out a potential fix. > As I recall, the knock sensors usually don't go bad, but electrical > connections do. > > Chester Oh, they go bad all right. Both of my sensors had cracked casings. Nick ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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#7. re: rear end is getting loose - from Tim Gergen
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:10:14 +0000 From: "Tim Gergen" <tgergen@hotmail.com> Subject: re: rear end is getting loose I missed the first thread...so maybe this was mentioned. Have you checked your alignment (ie: rear camber)? Maybe a bit more camber is in order....?? Tim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Buying a 1996 M3 - from Juan Rico
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:28:46 -0800 From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Buying a 1996 M3 Well, I'm absolutely in love with my 95 too, but I'm starting to lose some hope. Maintenance is getting somewhat $$$. For example, right now I need to replace my trailing arm bushings, my steering rack, reupholster my worn seats, my thermostat is leaking, the clutch will have to be replaced pretty soon... I just replaced my stock suspension, knock sensors, etc... I'm probably forgetting a bunch of things. And this is just maintenance (my upgrade budget has been on hold for the time being), to keep the car in top shape, so if I have a catastrophic failure double/triple all these expenses. In all fairness, the engine has 140K and if mileage is your primary concern, my engine runs strong and smooth. I had a compression test done on my last I2, and the numbers were between 185 and 195. I've had no engine/mechanical work done whatsoever. You would probably incur in many of these same maintenance expenses even on a 40K car, depending on how picky you are. Personally, I would only replace my 95 for a new car, just for that new car feeling. I doubt a 96 will feel new, unless it has 6K miles... Plus how much money could I get for a 95 with 140K? $13k? Were in the heck am I going to find a car anywhere near as good for $13k? It's a no-brainer to me... Juan. -----Original Message----- From: Noah Weinstein [mailto:nzw212@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:38 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Buying a 1996 M3 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:36:40 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Weinstein <nzw212@yahoo.com> Subject: Buying a 1996 M3 Subject: 1995 vs 1996 I'm absolutely in love with my 1995 M3. I've had it for a few years and it's been great in every respect. Here's the situation: I have the opporutnity to buy a pristine 1996 with half the mileage, traction control, the remaining 7 months of the factory warranty and some factory/dealer options that I don't have. Really it's the mileage that I'm most interested in. What are peoples' opinions on the 95 vs the 96? I'm sure some people are going to say that I should stick with a good thing. I don't dissagree. However, I'd like to get more (mileage, less maintenece on the lower mileage car) out of my car. I guess what I'm asking is, would I just get more of what I love about my 95? Thanks for the advice! Noah _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag/?http://auctions.yahoo.com> Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag/?http://auctions.yahoo.com> ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Manual Fan clutch switch addition - from andy radin
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:34:13 -0800 From: "andy radin" <fourfa@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Manual Fan clutch switch addition "My coolant return line blew ... I decided to run an experiment and removed the viscous fan clutch only to discover that the car would still overheat going downhill at part throttle at 70 mph" if I had to guess, I'd say that there was still air in the system after dumping the coolant and you weren't getting full cooling power. This is out of line with other people's experiences.

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#10. Re: UNSUBSCRIBE - from DAAJIBOLA@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:02:36 EST From: DAAJIBOLA@aol.com Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

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#11. RE: [E36M3] Sheesh... - from Carey Probst
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:03:46 -0500 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sheesh... This may not be the best sample group for problems with BMWs amd M3s. I think you'll find a much higher percentage of drivers on this list who "abuse" their cars in the normal driver's sense of the word. How many regular people do you know with Superchargers Cam kits Intakes Chips/reprogramming Harnesses X-braces Stress bars A 4 digit track budget etc. I have 24k miles with no problems including 5 days at Watkins Glen, 1 at NHIS. plus original tires, brakes. New tires in spring when I take of the Blizzaks. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Radelow [mailto:radelow@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:58 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Sheesh... Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:51:26 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Sheesh... Not to be negative or anything...but all this posting about things breaking on our cars at 30k miles and 60k miles and 80k doesn't really bode well for the reliability of BMW or cars in general.... My O2 sensor went bad at 45k miles, my radiator needed replacing at 60k miles, my headgasket was replaced at 65k miles (previous owner overheated so not really reliability issue), my shocks are blown at 65k as well as the rear shock mounts... I'm not complaining it's just there seems to be a lot of parts on our car that don't last very long....Kinda ridiculous. Really makes a point for only owning cars for a couple years while they are under warranty or even leasing... Mark _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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