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#1. RE: Strange Situation - from Kevin Cox
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:40:48 -0800 From: "Kevin Cox" <bigk@w-link.net> Subject: RE: Strange Situation Recently the mirrors were stolen from my 99 E36 M3/conv. Expensive mirrors. Subsequently or as a result of the mirrors being stolen, the warning light for the roll-over protection system came on. I took the car to my trusted repair shop, they ordered the mirrors, had them painted and were going to re-install them. Their testing equipment could not determine the problem with the RPS so they contracted with the only BMW facility in our large city (the dealership I bought the car from)to determine the fault. After the BMW facility has had the car for a while, someone took the car out on a test drive and it was involved in an accident. The damage is substantial. The front end is stuffed in and the car is undrivable. The air bags did not deploy but the RPS did so the convertible top and rear window is being stretched out. The BMW facility is anxious to get it repaired but I am concerned by the diminished value of the car. Anyone out there had a similar experience? Any suggestions? I am hesitant to publish the location and name of the dealership just yet but I will warn you if it doesn't go well.
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#2. PSS9 Suspension - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:06:22 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: PSS9 Suspension Sean asks > > Does anyone know of a good reason not to buy a Bilstein PSS9 > coilover suspension system for a 1995 M3? I'm planning on > doing this very soon and would appreciate any helpful input > so I don't make a decision that I'll regret. Thanks. Hmmm...I can think of one. Because it does not fit. At least Turner's website says this still. I looked on Bilstein's website and their comment is "Please Inquire". Maybe they are in development or even available by now but last I knew they weren't. Regards, Rich 95 M3 - stock dampers still
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: Strange Situation - from Matt Henson
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:27:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Strange Situation Kevin, You should be concerned about diminished value. You car is worth at least 10%, maybe even 20% less now than before the collision (assuming no prior accidents). Insurance companies like to pretend that diminished value isn't legitimate but it is and in most states they have to pay you for it. Now the question is how much can you get. I'd try to negotiate for 20% and hope to get 15% at the end of the day. Good luck and sorry to hear about your baby.. -Matt --- Kevin Cox <bigk@w-link.net> wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:40:48 -0800 > From: "Kevin Cox" <bigk@w-link.net> > Subject: RE: Strange Situation > > Recently the mirrors were stolen from my 99 E36 > M3/conv. Expensive mirrors. > Subsequently or as a result of the mirrors being > stolen, the warning light > for the roll-over protection system came on. I took > the car to my trusted > repair shop, they ordered the mirrors, had them > painted and were going to > re-install them. Their testing equipment could not > determine the problem > with the RPS so they contracted with the only BMW > facility in our large city > (the dealership I bought the car from)to determine > the fault. After the BMW > facility has had the car for a while, someone took > the car out on a test > drive and it was involved in an accident. The damage > is substantial. The > front end is stuffed in and the car is undrivable. > The air bags did not > deploy but the RPS did so the convertible top and > rear window is being > stretched out. The BMW facility is anxious to get it > repaired but I am > concerned by the diminished value of the car. Anyone > out there had a similar > experience? Any suggestions? I am hesitant to > publish the location and name > of the dealership just yet but I will warn you if it > doesn't go well. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
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#4. PSS9 Suspension - from Ward, Chris
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:36:02 -0500 From: "Ward, Chris" <CWard@ContractLumber.com> Subject: PSS9 Suspension Original message. >>From: "Sean Silva" <sean.silva@crbard.com> >>Subject: PSS9 Suspension >>Does anyone know of a good reason not to buy a Bilstein PSS9 coilover suspension system for a >>1995 M3? I'm planning on doing this very soon and would appreciate any helpful input so I >>>>>don't make a decision that I'll regret. Thanks. Here is a good one. (pulled from Turners web site) 9 way Adjustable shocks, ride height adjustable spring perches, 100% made in Germany by Bilstein. (2.25" Max Drop Front and 1.75" Rear) Available for E36 3 series (not E36 M3) and E46 3 series including M3. This kit was designed for high performance street cars and perfect for driver's schools or autocross. Adjustment knobs are easily accessible from under the car. Chris Ward 95 M3
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#5. Re:PSS9 Suspension - from Sean Silva
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:26 -0500 From: "Sean Silva" <sean.silva@crbard.com> Subject: Re:PSS9 Suspension I have been told that the only reason they don't fit is because the front shock bodies do not have all of the necessary "ears" welded to them. The one ear they are missing is for the purpose of attaching the stock M3 sway bar links. This can be resolved by purchasing 325i sway bar links and mounting them to the control arms as opposed to the shock bodies. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: PSS9 Suspension Author: RDORFFER@CleIndians.com (Dorffer; Rich) Date: 1/25/02 10:06 AM Sean asks > > Does anyone know of a good reason not to buy a Bilstein PSS9 > coilover suspension system for a 1995 M3? I'm planning on > doing this very soon and would appreciate any helpful input > so I don't make a decision that I'll regret. Thanks. Hmmm...I can think of one. Because it does not fit. At least Turner's website says this still. I looked on Bilstein's website and their comment is "Please In quire". Maybe they are in development or even available by now but last I knew they were n't. Regards, Rich 95 M3 - stock dampers still ------------------------- Original message header: >MAIL FROM:<RDORFFER@cleindians.com> >RCPT TO:<sean.silva@crbard.com> >DATA >Received: from jacobsfield.cleindians.com (unverified) by imailgtw1.crbard.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id <T58a98507e3cff2b1390cc@imailg tw1.crbard.com> for <sean.silva@crbard.com>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:06:29 -0500 >Subject: PSS9 Suspension >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:06:22 -0500 >Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 >Message-ID:<4B51E4826F957D459F8B4A477FB12C7202CF2C@jacobsfield.cleindians.com> >X-MS-Has-Attach: >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: >Thread-Topic: [E36M3] E36M3 #1961 >Thread-Index: AcGlqvrYk0HmkjINTrWjuCBgAxCxcQABb97Q >From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> >To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Cc: "Sean Silva" <sean.silva@crbard.com> ------------------------- End of message header.
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Anyone ever use AVS Intermidiat's - from Paul D Agustin
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:51:52 -0600 From: Paul D Agustin <agustin@iaxs.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Anyone ever use AVS Intermidiat's Tony: I've been on the AVS intermediates for the last two years. I hve not been impressed with them at all. The original Michelins were much better, but I dare say that the Bridgstones out perform them as well. The intermediates have OK grip in the dry and terrible grip in the wet. This is just my opinion, but I would spend the extra cash for better rubber. Paul
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#7. RE: PSS9 Suspension - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:51:08 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: RE: PSS9 Suspension Sean asks > > Does anyone know of a good reason not to buy a Bilstein PSS9 > coilover suspension system for a 1995 M3? I'm planning on > doing this very soon and would appreciate any helpful input > so I don't make a decision that I'll regret. Thanks. Hmmm...I can think of one. Because it does not fit. At least Turner's website says this still. I looked on Bilstein's website and their comment is "Please Inquire". Maybe they are in development or even available by now but last I knew they weren't. Sean replies with > > I have been told that the only reason they don't fit is because the front shock > bodies do not have all of the necessary "ears" welded to them. The one ear they > are missing is for the purpose of attaching the stock M3 sway bar links. This > can be resolved by purchasing 325i sway bar links and mounting them to the > control arms as opposed to the shock bodies. To which I add: Thanks for the clarification on the PSS9 system. Maybe you want to see about getting the ears welded on to the shock bodies instead (not sure you can do this or not). The anti-sway bars are more effective when they use the shock body attachment points. Going to the control arm attachment points will reduce the effectiveness of the anti-sway bars (this is why the regular E36 series had larger diameter anti-sway bars than the M3). You will increase body roll in the front with the M3 anti-sway bar (or compared to whatever you were using before). Just some more thoughts to add to the process. Regards, Rich
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re:PSS9 Suspension - from NickG
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:22:37 -0500 From: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re:PSS9 Suspension > I have been told that the only reason they don't fit is because the front shock > bodies do not have all of the necessary "ears" welded to them. The one ear they > are missing is for the purpose of attaching the stock M3 sway bar links. This > can be resolved by purchasing 325i sway bar links and mounting them to the > control arms as opposed to the shock bodies. If you do that, you'd have to install the larger diameter 325i sway bar also. The M3 sway bar is thinner because their is more leverage on it by attaching it to the strut (more link travel, thus, a thinner sway bar can be used). Mounting the sway bar link to the control arm results in less vertical movement of the link, requiring a thicker sway bar to be as effective. Nick
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#9. Re: [E36M3] PSS9 Suspension - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:17:15 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] PSS9 Suspension >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 8:27 -0500 >From: "Sean Silva" <sean.silva@crbard.com> >Subject: PSS9 Suspension > >Does anyone know of a good reason not to buy a Bilstein PSS9 >coilover suspension system for a 1995 M3? I'm planning on doing >this very soon and would appreciate any helpful input so I don't >make a decision that I'll regret. Thanks. I just (casually) followed a long thread on the PSS9 for BMW and Porsches on another, private list. They conclusion was that no one likes them. Forward your query to Brad at Evosport -- he seems to know a fair amount about that kit ... -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com
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#10. [E36M3] RE: Strange Situation - from Mount, Mike
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:30:30 -0800 From: "Mount, Mike" <JMMn@pge.com> Subject: [E36M3] RE: Strange Situation I'll add my .02 here also re- diminished value. An insurance company no doubt will try to weasel out on a diminished value claim by saying that it will only apply when you sell the car. This is not correct. All you need is an expert witness to testify to the vehicles diminished value and be willing to argue the point with the insurance carrier. If this was my vehicle, I would be 'bending them over a barrel' as they have ZERO defense regarding their actions. My guess is that the dealership is rather anxious to avoid publicity or embarrassment. (not to mention litigation, btw) Just my opinion, Mike Kevin, You should be concerned about diminished value. You car is worth at least 10%, maybe even 20% less now than before the collision (assuming no prior accidents). Insurance companies like to pretend that diminished value isn't legitimate but it is and in most states they have to pay you for it. Now the question is how much can you get. I'd try to negotiate for 20% and hope to get 15% at the end of the day. Good luck and sorry to hear about your baby.. -Matt --- Kevin Cox <bigk@w-link.net> wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:40:48 -0800 > From: "Kevin Cox" <bigk@w-link.net> > Subject: RE: Strange Situation > > Recently the mirrors were stolen from my 99 E36 > M3/conv. Expensive mirrors. > Subsequently or as a result of the mirrors being > stolen, the warning light > for the roll-over protection system came on. I took > the car to my trusted > repair shop, they ordered the mirrors, had them > painted and were going to > re-install them. Their testing equipment could not > determine the problem > with the RPS so they contracted with the only BMW > facility in our large city > (the dealership I bought the car from)to determine > the fault. After the BMW > facility has had the car for a while, someone took > the car out on a test > drive and it was involved in an accident. The damage > is substantial. The > front end is stuffed in and the car is undrivable. > The air bags did not > deploy but the RPS did so the convertible top and > rear window is being > stretched out. The BMW facility is anxious to get it > repaired but I am > concerned by the diminished value of the car. Anyone > out there had a similar > experience? Any suggestions? I am hesitant to > publish the location and name > of the dealership just yet but I will warn you if it > doesn't go well. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************