E36M3 #2004

Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:28:14

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. RE: [E36M3] E36M3 vs M coupe - from Mel Silva
#2. Re: Helmet Advice? - from D Snyder
#3. RE: AC Removal - I-Stock ?? - from Bob Stommel
#4. : Looking for good wheel polish - from Paul Elliott
#5. It's Back...VANOS rattle - from DiVincenti, A.J.
#6. The Slippery Slope of Suspension 'Improvement' - from The Buch
#7. Rallye 4 mounting - from bmw
#8. Re: [E36M3] Rallye 4 mounting - from Robert Chay
#9. bimmerhaus is a pretty incredible shop... - from Jesse Caldwell
#10. Re: [E36M3] bimmerhaus is a pretty incredible shop... - from George R Carr Jr

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#1. RE: [E36M3] E36M3 vs M coupe - from Mel Silva
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:36:25 -0600 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36M3 vs M coupe Luis, I have had the opportunity to drive both of these vehicles, however they have been under greatly differing circumstances. I flew out to CA and drove my friend's M Coupe at Laguna Seca about a year and a half ago (thanks Zandr, he's an occasional lurker of this list). That is the only time I ever saw or drove an M Coupe. I have only driven my M3 on the streets. So with my slightly distorted view; In comparison with the M3, the power bands are similar, the handling is different although I am reticent to say one is better than the other. Both are easily manageable and will rotate predictably, although I found I had to lift off the throttle to cause the Coupe to rotate, which would be a disaster in the 3. The only thing I did not like about the Coupe was the claustrophobic view out the windscreen and the bow (protruding hood-line) the bobbed up and down under acceleration, obscuring the view of the road even further. If you drive the Coupe and the view of the road does not bother you, I think you would be very happy with a Coupe. YMMV, Mel -----Original Message----- From: Luis Rueda [mailto:Luis_Rueda@Interliant.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:21 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 vs M coupe Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:17:41 -0500 From: "Luis Rueda" <Luis_Rueda@Interliant.com> Subject: E36M3 vs M coupe I currently own a slightly modified '95 M3 (65K miles, Bilstein sports, H&R springs, RD sway bars, x-brace, CAI, euro HFM, chip, exhaust, dynoed at 263). A friend of mine is considering selling his '99 M coupe (29K miles, mostly stock except for exhaust). I was wondering how would they compare performance wise since he would be willing to cut me a good deal if I decide to buy it. The car would be used mostly as an everyday commuter w/the occasional auto-x or driving class. Regards, Luis BMWCCA member ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#2. Re: Helmet Advice? - from D Snyder
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:56:12 -0800 From: "D Snyder" <m3ltw@msn.com> Subject: Re: Helmet Advice? > From: "Rob Verenna" <rob@willraceforbeer.com> > > FWIW, I have a Bieffe Predator and am very happy with it. But I have > to disagree (sort of) with Ron's statement below. He's right; the > fire retardance is not going to make a difference. However, I > believe SA helmets are also tested to take many little bumps and > bangs (ie. hitting a rollbar/cage) where a M helmet is designed to > take that one big impact if you take a dive while riding. This may > be important; I know in my race car I certainly whack my helmet on > the cage bar by my head occasionally. Even in my M3 street car, I > remember smacking the roof or the frame right above the door while on > track. I believe there is no "repetition" test conducted by Snell. If I were to guess, the SA test would more likely be one BIG crash (120+ mph into wall), while M is for a moderate crash and lots of sliding. BUT, as far as I know (last time I read the Snell test procedure was prior to the 2000 standards), the material difference (only?) for SA is fire resistance and an additional impact into a cylindrical (roll bar shaped) anvil. The standard for each impact test is otherwise identical for SA and M. Now, some people might assume that this additional impact test is on the same helmet (hence the assumption of testing for more impacts), but my assumption is that for EVERY impact test Snell uses a new helmet. (don't they tell us to toss the helmet after even one impact or even dropping it?) Does anyone know more detail on this point? As for brand preferences...as a person with a big, long head (filled with more air than anything), I think fit is most important and is purely personal to your head. After spending lots on my M3, it didn't become apparent that it hurt to wear it until at least 40 minutes on the track (or a whole day instructing in small bites). So, get whatever fits best (and has no pressure points--like your forehead). My next will likely be an Arai. They come in bigger sizes than Bell, Simpson (too round) or Stand 21. My old Shoei was nice, but is M rated (as was my first Arai-but then again it was for riding a motorcycle). Dan

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#3. RE: AC Removal - I-Stock ?? - from Bob Stommel
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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:52:36 -0500 From: Bob Stommel <rstommel@iquest.net> Subject: RE: AC Removal - I-Stock ?? The 2002 Stock Class rules also allow removal of the A/C condenser in front of the radiator (Stock Rule 7.J.). The purpose of this rule change is to allow better air flow through the radiator. Bob Kobyashi is right about the rest. BTW, the BMW CCA Club Racing tech stewards are getting stricter this year and will be spending more time inspecting the cars, so it pays to read the rules carefully. Bob Stommel SPG Motorsports Indianapolis >Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:36:51 EST >From: RFKoby@aol.com >Subject: AC Removal - I-Stock ?? > >Something doesn't make sense here.... >you want to remove all of the AC components >(evaporator, expansion valve, lines, fan box, etc.) >and you are going to race the car in I-stock?? >Stock class only allows removal of the mechanical >fan and clutch on the water pump stud. >Everything else has to stay. >Sounds like you are removing the dash and gutting >everything underneath. This puts you into the >PREPARED CLASS.... >Best best, CHECK THE CLUB RACING RULE BOOK..... > >Bob

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#4. : Looking for good wheel polish - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:02:53 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: : Looking for good wheel polish >>BMW alloy wheels have a lacquer clear coat, and should be treated = with the=20 same products that protect painted surfaces - waxes and polishes.<< =20 I have the '99 M3 Forged Ltwt Motorsport dblspoke rims....Do you know = if this applies to these also? =20 Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio

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#5. It's Back...VANOS rattle - from DiVincenti, A.J.
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:25:28 -0600 From: "DiVincenti, A.J." <ADiVin@lsuhsc.edu> Subject: It's Back...VANOS rattle Well, it seems that I only got a brief respite from the evil VANOS rattle despite the purging of the venomous Red Line 10 w 40. The rattle had left when I switched to Mobile 1 10 w 30, however, the weather was warm 70's to high 60's. It recently turned colder mid 40's and now it's back with a vengeance. I really don't know if it's the oil and or temperature related - I'm reaching here. I guess I'll know when it warms up. AJ

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#6. The Slippery Slope of Suspension 'Improvement' - from The Buch
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Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:36:02 -0800 From: The Buch <the_buch@telus.net> Subject: The Slippery Slope of Suspension 'Improvement' I have had my new TCK 'Streetline' suspension in for a couple of weeks now. This is for the most part, a very impressive refinement to our cars - wonderfully solid feeling while quite supple compared to the worn out oem shocks after just 40,000 mi. However, on alignment, I am advised that the setup has led to a negative caster of 0.6 degrees which is not adjustable?? This may be contributing to the noticeable tramlining/wandering requiring constant steering input that I have been attributing to the new S-03s?? Further thoughts appreciated as always. Regards, Doug ('99M3 ... increasingly not stock)

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#7. Rallye 4 mounting - from bmw
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 03:43:38 -0800 (PST) From: bmw <m3lawdawg@yahoo.com> Subject: Rallye 4 mounting For those that are using this, did you use both the inboard and outboard rear mounting points or just the inboard. The out board bolt seems a little hard to get to. Just checking in advance as I will be putting these in this weekend. Tony Tarheel BMWCCA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Rallye 4 mounting - from Robert Chay
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:46:39 -0500 From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rallye 4 mounting Tony, You need to install the outboard rear mounting point or your belts won't work. The Rallye 3 only uses the inboard mounting point. It's not too bad when you take out the seats, rear bolsters and side panels. Now getting the side panels back in is a bitch. -Bobby ps. for the inboard front mounting point, you need the bolt extender or you have to bend the tab into a zig-zag shape (bent twice) to get it to the proper bolt. ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 03:43:38 -0800 (PST) > From: bmw <m3lawdawg@yahoo.com> > Subject: Rallye 4 mounting > > For those that are using this, did you use both the > inboard and outboard rear mounting points or just the > inboard. The out board bolt seems a little hard to > get to. Just checking in advance as I will be putting > these in this weekend. > > Tony > Tarheel BMWCCA >

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#9. bimmerhaus is a pretty incredible shop... - from Jesse Caldwell
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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:14:01 -0700 From: Jesse Caldwell <Jesse.Caldwell@Colorado.EDU> Subject: bimmerhaus is a pretty incredible shop... Hey all, I just stopped by BimmerHaus (www.bimmerhaus.com) this morning to pick up my new control arm (no more rally racing! bad jesse!). Anyone in Colorado who hasn't stopped by their shop to check it out, i highly recommend doing so. Very clean shop. Exceptional staff. Dave pressed my old bushing off -- no charge, of course -- and showed me the secret of reinstalling it (I won't give it away but it involves a BFH and a vise). Bob and Jim are exceptionally knowledgeable and very generous. No, I'm not associated with them and I don't get kickbacks for pushing their shop on the list. They're just the best shop I've ever had the pleasure of visiting, and unless I move, my car won't go anywhere else for service. For you folks not in the area, i hope you're lucky enough to find a shop as great as this one. Jesse

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#10. Re: [E36M3] bimmerhaus is a pretty incredible shop... - from George R Carr Jr
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:18:03 -0700 From: George R Carr Jr <georgercarrjr@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] bimmerhaus is a pretty incredible shop... >Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:14:01 -0700 >From: Jesse Caldwell <Jesse.Caldwell@Colorado.EDU> >Subject: bimmerhaus is a pretty incredible shop... > >Hey all, > >I just stopped by BimmerHaus (www.bimmerhaus.com) this morning to pick >up my new control arm (no more rally racing! bad jesse!). Anyone in >Colorado who hasn't stopped by their shop to check it out, i highly >recommend doing so. Very clean shop. Exceptional staff. Dave pressed my >old bushing off -- no charge, of course -- and showed me the secret of >reinstalling it (I won't give it away but it involves a BFH and a >vise). Bob and Jim are exceptionally knowledgeable and very generous. > >No, I'm not associated with them and I don't get kickbacks for pushing >their shop on the list. They're just the best shop I've ever had the >pleasure of visiting, and unless I move, my car won't go anywhere else >for service. For you folks not in the area, i hope you're lucky enough >to find a shop as great as this one. > >Jesse > I agree. And Eric Loch is great also. George -- ====== __ __ George R Carr Jr / / / / | / | ______ 98M3/4 BL/SS / / / / |/ | o/______\o BMWCCA 156632 JTD/ / / / shark | (**=00=**) georgercarrjr@earthlink.net/ / / /__/|__/|__| []*-XX-*[] also 00MRoadster (Sharkster)

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