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#1. H&R progressive springs; was oops - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:01:31 -0600 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: H&R progressive springs; was oops OK, I'll bite: does anyone else find the concepts of coil-over (aka height adjustable) setup and progressive springs mutually exclusive? How do you predict spring compression rates and their front/rear relationship when you adjust the height on progressive springs? You should end up with stiffer all around springs, but do the rears stiffen up at the same rate as the fronts? Does that same correlation hold throughout the adjustment range? If not, the car would be a handful to setup. Kit, What is the part # stamped on your front coil-over springs? The reason I'm asking is that I run TC TrackLine kit that consists of SA Konis and H&R Sport (Stage 2) springs. When the springs arrived in the mail the fronts were marked 29910 (Stage 2 fronts) while the rears were marked as 29936 (Stage 4 rears). After a few calls to TC and H&R it became apparent that H&R uses the same 29936 progressive rear spring for Stages 2 through 4. So they differentiate the springs 'kits' based on the front spring number. 29910 for the Stage 2 kits and 29936 for Stage 4 (see http://www.hrspirngs.com). So far so good, H&R coil over kit uses the same progressive rear springs and there is nothing wrong with reusing parts. The height measurements also add up since Stage 2 kit promises the base 1.0" drop while Stage 4 has a range from 1.0" to 1.7" depending on the ride height setting. There is a bit of a mystery how H&R manages to measure 1.3" of drop with the same rear spring in the Stage 3 (Race) 50410 kit, but at least that height measurement falls within the 29936 spring range in the Stage 4 kit. Now I'm dying to find out about the fronts. Does the H&R also reuse the same front springs in Stage 2+ kits or do they progressively increase the front spring stiffness and decrease its height as you go from Stage 2->3->4? Than the only thing you buy with the harsher stage kits is more understeer? alex f '95 M3 with H&R coil over rear springs minus ride height adjustment and god knows what front springs ;-))) |---------+---------------------------> | | "kitwetzler@mind| | | spring.com" | | | <kitwetzler | | | | | | 02/12/02 04:17 | | | PM | | | Please respond | | | to | | | "kitwetzler@mind| | | spring.com" | | | | |---------+---------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> | | cc: | | Subject: [E36M3] oops | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:13:52 -0500 From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: oops also, wanted to say this about the H&R coilovers: they're basically God's gift to the E36 M3. Car should've come with these from the factory. I've put almost 40K on them and they still amaze me. They've also been through 20+ track days. just make sure you don't set them riceboy low, and that you get the right adjustors for your car. I drive my car 15 miles to work each morning and get to work with a smile on my face. -kit 97 m3/4 w/ lotsa stuff
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#2. Adding an input to factory stereo for mp3 player... - from Steve Grigory
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:09:49 -0800 From: Steve Grigory <sgrigory@pacbell.net> Subject: Adding an input to factory stereo for mp3 player... Here's a question... Is there a fairly easy (and worth doing) way to add an input to the factory stereo setup in a 95 M3? I have the older style stereo head unit and the CD changer. I'd love to hook up an input that would play music from my iPod. The iPod has just the standard headphone output on it. Is there someway perhaps to tap into the CD changer and fool the head unit into thinking the signal is from the changer? I don't care about being able to control the iPod, I can do that by hand. I just want whatever it is outputting to play through the car stereo. Oh, and I don't care for the thing that goes into your cassette player- I've tried that in the past with portable CD players. steve
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#3. RE: H&R progressive springs; was oops - from kitwetzler@mindspring.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:35:10 -0500 From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: H&R progressive springs; was oops > up at the same rate as the fronts? Does that same correlation hold > throughout the adjustment range? If not, the car would be a handful to > setup. H&R uses a linear rate spring in their coilover kits. According to H&R they are 340 lb/in in the front and 380 lb/in in the rear. However, even if there was a progressive spring in it, you can plot the stiffness curves. It just shows why cornerweighting the car is so important, (and something I really should get done.) > through 4. So they differentiate the springs 'kits' based on the front > spring number. 29910 for the Stage 2 kits and 29936 for Stage 4 (see I think mine are different. The rear H&R sport springs are a similar rate but much taller than the H&R coilover rear springs. I've had both. I was under the impression that the TC Kline Trackline suspension was H&R sports + Konis, and the Raceline was the same suspension, with double adjustable konis. The H&R coilver springs are too short to use in the rear without either adjustors or a shortened strut. I was bottoming out everywhere, when I didn't have the height adjustors, which made for a very uncomfortable ride. Plus, under power it meant lots of throttle on oversteer. The m3 has pretty soft bumpstops, so it's not a jarring, more a loss of traction. If you are going to run a spring without a height adjustor or a shortened shock, I would definitely recommend the H&R race springs. I actually wouldn't mind picking up a set of race springs. (anyone have a set for sale, cheap?) Stiffer front springs means less understeer for the M3, strangely enough. I know this is totally contrary to what you'd expect, but the H&R sports are too soft in the front to keep the car off the bumpstops. You end up washing out and understeering big time. The stiff front springs keep the car from rolling that far... remember, we have macpherson struts which have a limited amount of camber gain, it's the reason our cars like stiff front springs and lots of static camber. -kit -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Note about PowerFlex bushings - from The Abels
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:43:26 -0600 From: "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Note about PowerFlex bushings > Group, > > I just wanted to tell everyone who has the Powerflex bushings on their car > to check them out. I have had the front control arm bushings and rear > trailing arm bushings on my car for about 2 weeks now. Last night, I got > under the car for a little inspection and saw that one of the front control > arm bushings was torn already. I have only been to the track once with > these bushings and have only driven the car on the street about 5 different > times (other than the trip to MSR). <snip> > Greg > 98 M3, Dallas, TX Greg, Thanks for the heads up. Like Kit, I was recently under my car and noticed no issues with mine. I'll have a tech inspection done next week for an upcoming event, and will check again. Could they have gotten torn during the install? Jeff 97 M3/4, still happily Powerflexed
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#5. NSX - from Patrick Dargan
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:11:30 -0500 From: "Patrick Dargan" <darg01@earthlink.net> Subject: NSX I'm planning a track day with a local NSX Club. =20 Anyone know how our M3's will compare???? =20 TIA =20 Patrick Dargan
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#6. FS: 2000 Big Tex 70DM Trailer - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:34:45 -0600 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: FS: 2000 Big Tex 70DM Trailer My single-car, 18' open trailer is for sale. I purchased this trailer in April 2001 from a fellow Trackjunkie and club racer, Blair Hartsfield, who decided to upgrade to an enclosed trailer. I am now selling the trailer in order to upgrade to a lighter, aluminum open car trailer. This trailer is one of the better made trailers available. Check out their website at www.bigtextrailers.com. Specific information for the trailer is available within the main website at http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/TrailerSpec.php?trailer=70dm. As you will see from the website, the trailer has all of the important features of a quality open trailer: 18' with dovetail, bulldog coupler, electric brakes, 15" wheels, diamond plate floor, etc. Given that the trailer is a 2000 model, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the trailer as it has performed flawlessly during the 3 short trips within Texas that I have taken during the past 10 months. In anticipation of racing with BMW CR next year, my original plan was to "enhance" the Big Tex trailer with a custom tire rack, aluminum 8' ramps, storage box and wind fairing. However, once I priced out all of the "enhancements", it was more economical to buy a trailer with everything already on it from the factory. Price new is $2,600. Will sacrifice for $2,000 or best offer. Actual digital photos available upon request. I am willing to meet someone halfway in adjoining states for drop off. Thanks, Scott Riley Dallas, Texas
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#7. RE: [E36M3] LS Prices: Worth it? - from Roger Baker
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:56:04 -0800 From: Roger Baker <rbaker@velodyne.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] LS Prices: Worth it? Laguna this Friday is sort of a last minute deal. I'll be there, but not with my mutant E36 ;) Once again, it has leaky head syndrome due to some sloppy engine builder putting my engine together. Anyway, I think we still have openings so check out the web site if interested: http://www.norcal-saac.org/ Follow the link for "Winter Surprise Open Track" and it'll tell you everything you need to know. Several Bimmers are signed up so you won't be alone. We don't have real formal instruction set up, but there are several experienced people there who will be available for volunteer instruction who can help you out. I'll be there too;) -- Roger Baker jim.bassett@alloptic.com wrote: > > I think > > someone mentioned the Shelby Club before, so I'll look into > > that if the > > instructors are good. > > That one showed up last minute - missed it :-( I don't know anything about > their instructors really, but see if Roger Baker is there (Roger? Hello?) > He's got some mutant E36 that he runs with the Shelby Club, and is also an > instructor, I believe. Nice guy, and should be able to hook you up with an > instructor. Shelby Club is a pretty good group to run with IMO. Too bad I > can't make it on Friday.
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#8. Re: [E36M3] what line level drives the factory E36 stereo? - from Reid Conti
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] what line level drives the factory E36 stereo? This is god's own car stereo, no joke. I bought the 30gb model a couple of weeks ago and installed it over the weekend. Still working on my subs, but the unit itself works and I have music thru my front Focal 130k's driven by my blaupunkt amp.. WOW. If you don't like computers, you probably don't want this.. but if you're into computers, already have some music on your computer.. this is a no-brainer, you need it at this price. The 30gb model was $2000 a year ago, I picked it up for $400. - reid > Thanks Matt, Ron, for your quick replies. > > For the record, here is what I am hoping to install: > > http://www.sonicblue.com/audio/rio/riocar.asp > > Fellow BMW enthusiasts, if you wanted an MP3 player for your car, you > should really jump on this! It's being discontinued, and quantities are > limited. I ordered a 60gb model. It basically slides into a sleeve in a > standard DIN opening, and can play 1,000 hours of MP3-recorded music from > its internal hard drive. You can then pull it out and plug it in to your > home PC via USB, and load it with songs, or even play music from it on your > home PC. It is linux-based, and you can get custom kernels off the 'net to > add new features and new display modes! > > I know standard home stereo systems use a 1-2V line-level signal. I was > hoping the 4V output from this unit would be enough to drive the BMW > factory amp. Although I am not unhappy with the sound from the stock > amplifier, but it sounds like I won't be able to keep it regardless. Sound > quality in the car is not that big of a deal to me, especially when playing > MP3 in a moving car.. And besides, it's all disappointing after listening > to my Magnepan 3.6/Sony TA-E9000ES/Sunfire Signature sub/Sunfire Cinema > grand system at home. :) > > Thanks again, everyone. > > - Chris > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > >
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#9. RE: [E36M3] what line level drives the factory E36 stereo? - from Reid Conti
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] what line level drives the factory E36 stereo? > <SNIP> > For the record, here is what I am hoping to install: > > http://www.sonicblue.com/audio/rio/riocar.asp > > Fellow BMW enthusiasts, if you wanted an MP3 player for your car, you > should really jump on this! It's being discontinued, and quantities are > limited. ... > <SNIP> > > I had wanted to install one of these babies when they were empegcar.com . > It's an excellent device. I'm not sure what SonicBlue has in mind for the > next generation, but I feel it won't be a customizable to those that desire. > > Oh, BTW, the press release on 2002.01.30 states that they are still selling > accessories, but the units are sold out... :( Don't believe that for one minute. Sonicblue has the worst order system ever. Everyone says it sucks. My player, which is installed in my dash, recieved 1.5 weeks ago, ordered 3 weeks ago, still says "order status: has products pending shipment" on their site, and I have not been charged. Their customer service people know less than nothing about order status as well. I think their support is ok, it's just that nobody knows what's what in terms of ordering. this doesn't mean it's not sold out, but it wouldn't hurt to give it a try. Also, carplayer.com bought some and was selling them at $100 over sonicblue's price.. which is still a bargain. Or you can just buy em off the empeg.comms.net BBS or ebay for sonicblue's price or less. - reid
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#10. Re: [E36M3] H&R progressive springs; was oops - from David Bauer
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:34:51 -0600 From: David Bauer <dbauer@blkbox.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] H&R progressive springs; was oops Alex, My H&R coilovers have 29936 VA stamped on the front springs. Not sure what's on the rears... Dave 95 M3 alex.fadeev@verizon.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:01:31 -0600 > From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com > Subject: H&R progressive springs; was oops > > > OK, I'll bite: does anyone else find the concepts of coil-over (aka height > adjustable) setup and progressive springs mutually exclusive? > How do you predict spring compression rates and their front/rear > relationship when you adjust the height on progressive springs? > You should end up with stiffer all around springs, but do the rears stiffen > up at the same rate as the fronts? Does that same correlation hold > throughout the adjustment range? If not, the car would be a handful to > setup. > > Kit, > What is the part # stamped on your front coil-over springs? > > The reason I'm asking is that I run TC TrackLine kit that consists of SA > Konis and H&R Sport (Stage 2) springs. When the springs arrived in the mail > the fronts were marked 29910 (Stage 2 fronts) while the rears were marked > as 29936 (Stage 4 rears). After a few calls to TC and H&R it became > apparent that H&R uses the same 29936 progressive rear spring for Stages 2 > through 4. So they differentiate the springs 'kits' based on the front > spring number. 29910 for the Stage 2 kits and 29936 for Stage 4 (see > http://www.hrspirngs.com). > So far so good, H&R coil over kit uses the same progressive rear springs > and there is nothing wrong with reusing parts. The height measurements also > add up since Stage 2 kit promises the base 1.0" drop while Stage 4 has a > range from 1.0" to 1.7" depending on the ride height setting. There is a > bit of a mystery how H&R manages to measure 1.3" of drop with the same rear > spring in the Stage 3 (Race) 50410 kit, but at least that height > measurement falls within the 29936 spring range in the Stage 4 kit. > > Now I'm dying to find out about the fronts. Does the H&R also reuse the > same front springs in Stage 2+ kits or do they progressively increase the > front spring stiffness and decrease its height as you go from Stage > 2->3->4? Than the only thing you buy with the harsher stage kits is more > understeer? > > alex f > '95 M3 with H&R coil over rear springs minus ride height adjustment and god > knows what front springs ;-))) >