E36M3 #2026

Friday, February 15, 2002 16:27:32

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Heated Seat help - from DrDan976@aol.com
#2. NSX - from Mark Greer
#3. RE: Rear wing improvement of handling issue - from Bob Stommel
#4. Re: [E36M3] Pilot Sport Cup tires - from Chris Salter
#5. 2 Tires Still Needed - from Jason Lombard
#6. [E36M3] Pilot Sport Cup tires - from Eric & Karen
#7. Spark Plugs - from Chuck Hanson
#8. RE: [E36M3] Spark Plugs - from jim.bassett@alloptic.com
#9. more coil over controversy and more questions - from Mel Silva
#10. Re: [E36M3] more coil over controversy and more questions - from Chester Wong

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#1. Heated Seat help - from DrDan976@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:34:09 EST From: DrDan976@aol.com Subject: Heated Seat help I know its a long shot, but for those of you that have heated seats but removed the seats for something lighter, I need your help. I installed some vader seats into my lux M3 and I would like to wire up the heated elements. My M3 did not come with heated seats therefore the wires are not present. If any of you have removed your stock heated seats and still have the wiring harness that plug into the seat, I would be interested in getting those connectors from you. I also need the connectors that go into the heated seat swtich under the OBC. Thanks Dan Wang

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#2. NSX - from Mark Greer
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:51:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark Greer" <mark.greer@excite.com> Subject: NSX My experience with mid-90s NSX is that they need bigger brakes. <br /> The brakes go away earlier than stock M3. <br /> Pressure one from behind for a couple laps and they'll have to point you by. Everything else is all-good. <br /> <br /> <hr>

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#3. RE: Rear wing improvement of handling issue - from Bob Stommel
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:00:40 -0500 From: Bob Stommel <rstommel@iquest.net> Subject: RE: Rear wing improvement of handling issue Vlasis: I'm sure other LTW owners will pitch in here, but I ran an LTW on the track (driving schools, not racing) for about two years. I have also owned and driven several regular E36 M3s on the track, both with low factory rear spoilers and stock front air dams. The LTW rear wing and front splitter do have a noticeable effect at speed. I could feel the downforce at highway speeds. Particularly on fast sweepers on the track, you will feel the rear grip more (especially in the wet). You need some form of splitter on the front to compensate for the rear downforce, but I found that extending the front LTW splitter all the way out was too much. The car became darty from steering sensitivity due to all the front downforce, especially at the end of long straights. Extension of the front splitter 1/2 to 2/3 out was about right. If you want to generate even more downforce with the stock LTW rear wing, either raise the wing higher into the air stream behind the rear window or add a small gurney lip to the top rear edge of the wing. In contrast to the LTW rear wing, the factory rear spoiler does very little. It is noticeable only at very high speed and provides its effect as an air spoiler which pumps low pressure air out from under the rear of the car. (Low pressure air stagnation under the car causes chassis lift. If you can get the air out from under the car, you get "free" downforce.) The factory rear spoiler doesn't in itself generate much downforce. Bob Stommel SPG Motorsports Indianapolis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:54:57 -0800 (PST) From: VT <fstbmwm3@yahoo.com> Subject: Rear wing improvement of handling issue Since 1995 I have been trying to avoid "gettin riced up" but the competition (Mitsu EVO VI, Subaru WRX STi, 911) are loaded with aero mods (wings, splitters etc.) I have been trying to counter the aero improvements with expert suspension tunning, but the competition today is really catching up. Q&A 1) Have the racers of this forum seen measurable improvent from rear wing (or front splitter) ? 2) Is the difference measurable on tight and technical tracks ? 3) If there is significant rear downforce added, will that increase understeer significantly ? How do you guys deal with that ? I am not talking about wimpy wings. I am talking about wings same or better than the M3 LTW with the extending part. I have seen custom fiberglass shops with low cost (but quality work) rear wings that have adjustable wind angles. regards, Vlasis

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Pilot Sport Cup tires - from Chris Salter
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:28:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Salter <errsomeone@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Pilot Sport Cup tires If you are really intrested in how they feel, hold up, etc, email James Clay at Bimmerworld. Bimmerworld used these for the 24hr of Moroso this Dec. My observations were that they held up suprisingly well, however I cannot comment on their feel as I have not driven on them yet. -Chris E30 ///M3 Near EVO E36 ///M3 Silver E36 ///M3 YELLOW!! (RIP) --- twisty M3 <twistym3@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:47:25 -0800 > From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> > Subject: [E36M3] Pilot Sport Cup tires > > Just caught this info on the tirerack forum at > roadfly.com. > > http://forums.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/wheels/forum.php?postid=300840&page=1 > > Looks like these tires are now available for BMWs. > I don't know much about > them, except that they may be pretty expensive. Saw > a preview of them in an > EVO car magazine a while back and they looked like > they probably have about > as much tread depth as the new Kumho V700s. It was > an illustration though. > > Just FYI for all the club racers, etc. > > Jonathan L. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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#5. 2 Tires Still Needed - from Jason Lombard
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:47:53 -0800 From: "Jason Lombard" <racebro@santacruzbicycles.com> Subject: 2 Tires Still Needed Gruppe, =20 Please keep me in mind if you hear of anyone getting rid of some 225/40/17 Pilot Sports with greater than 7/32" tread depth. Contact me off list if you know of some. Thanks! Sincerely,=20 -- Jason=20

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#6. [E36M3] Pilot Sport Cup tires - from Eric & Karen
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:56:48 -0500 From: Eric & Karen <kedots@mac.com> Subject: [E36M3] Pilot Sport Cup tires > Looks like these tires are now available for BMWs. I don't know much about > them, except that they may be pretty expensive. > Jonathan L. One of the local guys was given some sets to test on his IT 325. I didn't ask him much about the tires, but he spoke favorably about them. He had I think 225/45-17's. One thing I noticed they seem pretty light. Eric 95 M3 00 Passat Wagon

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#7. Spark Plugs - from Chuck Hanson
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:44:59 -0700 From: Chuck Hanson <chuckh@dpsabq.com> Subject: Spark Plugs What spark plug do you all recommend in a 3.2l M3? Chuck Hanson 97 M3/4

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Spark Plugs - from jim.bassett@alloptic.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:16:29 -0800 From: jim.bassett@alloptic.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] Spark Plugs Whatever is listed in the Owner's Manual. This is one area where stock is good :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - stock spark plugs 1993 325is #44 KP - stock spark plugs, also > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Hanson [mailto:chuckh@dpsabq.com] > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:47 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Spark Plugs > > > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:44:59 -0700 > From: Chuck Hanson <chuckh@dpsabq.com> > Subject: Spark Plugs > > What spark plug do you all recommend in a 3.2l M3? > > Chuck Hanson > 97 M3/4 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the > mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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#9. more coil over controversy and more questions - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:12:08 -0600 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: more coil over controversy and more questions Hi, Sorry for the long drawn out dissertation on coil-over kits again. I know that this has all been covered at least 10 times in as many months. However, now that I may actually be able to afford one of these things... How many "real" choices do we (M3 owners) have? The only kit I have seen recommended is the H&R kit. The ground control kit does not come with shocks from what I can tell and the Bilstein kit is not really for M3's (I am not interested in applying a cooked up adaptation so that vendors can sell the kit to all 3 Series owners) and I have heard nothing of the Koni threaded suspension kit. Secondly, a true coil over kit puts the spring around the shock absorber. Since the spring is what carries the weight of the vehicle, now all the weight of the car is supported at the shock absorber mounting points. This is mostly good for reasons having to do with physics that I will leave to the experts. So, with all the talk and concern over rear shock mounts, is it required to replace the RSM when going to a coil over kit? I have read where at least one M3 had cracks in the sheet metal at the RSM hole for some reason which I can't recall. Should I be concerned about this? This is my first BMW and I haven't even owned it a year. I would just be sick if I screwed it up by doing something I didn't "have to". Now, before anyone asks; I am not taking this out for track duty or even serious Autocross competition, I am just tired of the "off road, rally car" ride height. Thanks for the insight, Mel (I like NSX's and Viper's too)

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#10. Re: [E36M3] more coil over controversy and more questions - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:23:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] more coil over controversy and more questions I think GC Coilover setup comes with shocks. All of these "coilover" kits are not true coilovers in the back. The rear shock towers were only designed to withstand the force the dampener allows through. Real rear coilover kits always come with a disclaimer that you beed a rollcage welded into the car (to the rear shock towers) to distribute the force. How much are you looking to lower the car? I have the H&R OE Sports and the Koni SAs and the ride height is pretty darn good...just a bit lower than stock. Chester --- Mel Silva <melsilva@mindspring.com> wrote: > Sorry for the long drawn out dissertation on coil-over kits again. I know > that this has all been covered at least 10 times in as many months. > However, now that I may actually be able to afford one of these things... > > How many "real" choices do we (M3 owners) have? The only kit I have seen > recommended is the H&R kit. The ground control kit does not come with > shocks from what I can tell and the Bilstein kit is not really for M3's (I > am not interested in applying a cooked up adaptation so that vendors can > sell the kit to all 3 Series owners) and I have heard nothing of the Koni > threaded suspension kit. > > Secondly, a true coil over kit puts the spring around the shock absorber. > Since the spring is what carries the weight of the vehicle, now all the > weight of the car is supported at the shock absorber mounting points. This > is mostly good for reasons having to do with physics that I will leave to > the experts. So, with all the talk and concern over rear shock mounts, is > it required to replace the RSM when going to a coil over kit? I have read > where at least one M3 had cracks in the sheet metal at the RSM hole for some > reason which I can't recall. Should I be concerned about this? > > This is my first BMW and I haven't even owned it a year. I would just be > sick if I screwed it up by doing something I didn't "have to". Now, before > anyone asks; I am not taking this out for track duty or even serious > Autocross competition, I am just tired of the "off road, rally car" ride > height. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com

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