E36M3 #2062

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#1. Losing e-mail messages? - from Robert Chay
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Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:33:22 -0500
From: Robert Chay <rchay@mindspring.com>
Subject: Losing e-mail messages?

Is it just me or are there e-mails that are getting lost on it's way to this
list? I've sent a few and had to resend them a few days later because they
didn't show up on the list.

-Bobby

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#2. Pinstriped M3? Removing pinstriping? - from Mike Kanaly
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:54:17 -0800
From: "Mike Kanaly" <mike@worklife.com>
Subject: Pinstriped M3? Removing pinstriping?


Hello Everyone!
Just purchased a 97 alpine white m3 coupe, and noticed some pretty
cheesy side pinstriping on the car.  Did this come stock?  On all 97
m3's or was it an option?  Has anyone successfully removed it?  How?  
 
I was thinking of using a hairdryer and putting it on High Heat, holding
it a few inches away, and attempting to peel it with my fingernails and
seeing if that would take it off.  Does anyone have any other
suggestions?  What about goo gone?  I don't want to damage my paint, but
I also want to take this junk off.    How do professional detailers take
this stuff off? 
 
 
 
Let me know!
-Mike

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#3. re: Will these wheels work? - from andy radin
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:00:44 -0800
From: "andy radin" <fourfa@mindspring.com>
Subject: re: Will these wheels work?

>>>You'll notice more performance loss with the wheels you want more from
weight than the diameter of the tires.<<<

>Not true again...The 18" Hamann PGs I was looking at weigh about the same
as
my current 17" Motorsport lightweights.<

just to pick nits, given 18" and 17" wheels with the same mass (assume
similar styles for a moment), the 18" will have more rotational inertia.
The 18" would have to weigh somewhat less to have the same or less inertia.
How much less is tough to figure out. shrug.

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#4. faster wheels - from russell
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:42:16 -0800 (PST)
From: russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com>
Subject: faster wheels

i've heard this a few times on this list...that smaller diameter wheels
will make you go faster, or conversely, larger diameter wheels will slow
you down.  whats the physics behind this?  

if i mount 10" rims on my car will i be able to beat a Z06?  am i going
faster now that i've worn away the tread on my 15 month old tires?

to each his own of course, but i agree that if you like the looks of a rim
i wouldnt worry about a fraction of a second.  of course, i've been
driving around with my spare in my garage to save some weight on my car


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> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:32:06 -0500
> From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Will these wheels work?
> 
> >>Are you serious? I don't think I've heard you mention you track your
> car,
> let alone race it. Why on earth would you care about 1/10th of a sec
> difference? Are you that caught up in numbers? Do you actually drag race
> at
> every light and will notice this?<<
> 
> Rant ON my fine feathered friend....how wrong you are....I used to have
> a
> Volvo 850 Turbo which I had massaged to 285 hp...  I went from 205x55-16
> to
> 205x50-16, shortening up the diameter by .8", and  the difference in
> acceleration was absolutely palpable.  You dont spend the kind of money
> I
> have on go fast mods to purposely add stuff to slow yourself down. 
> Tracking
> it has nothing to do with it....You thing thats the only time you
> appreciate
> it?  Think again..


=====
"the state is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else" --frederic bastiat

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#5. Re: [E36M3] faster wheels - from Chris Teague
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:58:14 -0800
From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [E36M3] faster wheels

The issue is gear ratio.  The smaller diameter wheels give
a better gear ratio for acceleration, just like going from
3.23 gears to 4.11, more torque multiplication.  Of course,
that means you have to shift sooner.  And if you really like
that effect, it might be easier to just change the gear ratio,
so you don't mess with the traction capability.

Chris
97 M3/4

----- Original Message -----
From: "russell" <driver8m3@yahoo.com>
To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:45 PM
Subject: [E36M3] faster wheels


> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:42:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com>
> Subject: faster wheels
>
> i've heard this a few times on this list...that smaller diameter wheels
> will make you go faster, or conversely, larger diameter wheels will slow
> you down.  whats the physics behind this?
>
> if i mount 10" rims on my car will i be able to beat a Z06?  am i going
> faster now that i've worn away the tread on my 15 month old tires?
>
> to each his own of course, but i agree that if you like the looks of a rim
> i wouldnt worry about a fraction of a second.  of course, i've been
> driving around with my spare in my garage to save some weight on my car

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#6. Re: [E36M3] faster wheels - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:18:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [E36M3] faster wheels

Hmm...I think you have something mixed up.  A larger overall diameter wheel and
a lower overall diameter wheel affect the "final drive ratio".  For a give
diameter wheel/tire X, the circumference is pi*X.  Is our tranny ratio 1:1 in
5th?  I think it might be.  Anyway, so in fith, one turn of the engine will be
equal to one turn of the wheel/tire and you will have traveled pi*X inches. 
Now if you have a different wheel/tire of diameter Y, you will travel pi*Y
inches.

So it's all in leverage.  The less distance you have to travel for a given
amount of power, the faster you'll accelerate.

What I think you've heard is diameter of wheels.  The larger the wheel, the
heavier it will be.  But the larger the wheel, the thinner the sidewall you get
in order to preserve the same overall diameter.  There is a certain point where
the extra weight with going from a smaller diameter wheel to a larger diameter
wheel is more than the weight the additional rubber it would have taken to span
the gap.  The moment of inertia of a disc is 1/2 MR^2.  The moment of inertia
for a ring is MR^2.  The moment of inertia for a wheel/tire setup is somewhere
between...probably more approximated by ring than a solid disc as the tire is
quite heavy and a lot of the mass of the wheel is around where the tire mounts.

So the heavier the tire/wheel combo or the higher the moment of inertia, the
more work it takes to accelerate the mass.  I think the general consensus was
17" tires were almost the ideal tradeoff between wheel weight and tire weight.

If you want to accelerate faster, the SSR competitions are 15 lbs each or so in
the 17" diameter.  Get yourself the lightest tire out there (not sure which one
is lightest) and you'll out accelerate a car with the same exact overall
diameter tire/wheel with Borbet Type Es and the heaviest steel belted radial =)

HTH,
Chester

--- russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i've heard this a few times on this list...that smaller diameter wheels
> will make you go faster, or conversely, larger diameter wheels will slow
> you down.  whats the physics behind this?  
> 
> if i mount 10" rims on my car will i be able to beat a Z06?  am i going
> faster now that i've worn away the tread on my 15 month old tires?
> 
> to each his own of course, but i agree that if you like the looks of a rim
> i wouldnt worry about a fraction of a second.  of course, i've been
> driving around with my spare in my garage to save some weight on my car


=====


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#7. RE: [E36M3] best M3 GT replica? - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:26:20 -0600
From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [E36M3] best M3 GT replica?

Check Turner Motorsport ,www.turnermotorsport.com under Aerodynamics 3 they
have an M3 for the E36 at ~$500

However, Bavarian Autosport http://www.bavauto.com/ carries 4 different
varieties with the "Bavarian Autosport" brand (whatever that is) looking
like the factory spoiler.  As a bonus it comes pre-painted to match your
BMW's color code for $450

Both of these have the integrated third brakelight unlike the Racing
Dynamics spoilers which are either below the rear window brakelight or above
it (DTM Style).

Have fun, this should keep you busy.

PS bavauto is down for maintenance right now, but I was browsing around it
earlier today.

Mel

-----Original Message-----
From: James Mckenna [mailto:shutupkid@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:56 PM
To: E36M3
Subject: [E36M3] best M3 GT replica?


Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:51:20 -0500
From: James Mckenna <shutupkid@comcast.net>
Subject: best M3 GT replica?


hey guys, im planning on getting a replica m3 gt wing in the spring (how
much for the oem anyway?" but want your input on the best look a like
available... ive heard the uuc has an odd fitmint, after closly
inspecting it in pictures, it looks liek the upper piece is too far
forward, it doesnt go with the angle of the trunk lid.. ive heard good
things about the hamman version, anybody know where there sold and how
much they go for?       thanks      -james

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#8. Re: [E36M3] There's nothing like rebound - from The Buch
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Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 20:29:46 -0800
From: The Buch <the_buch@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [E36M3] There's nothing like rebound

This is what I am confused about ... I would have thought more 'damping' means
less shock responsiveness = less stiff not more stiff.  Also, I should have
been clearer in my original post that the 'nasty creaking noise' occurred as I
was coming off the speed bump, not going into it.

DB

Chris Teague wrote:

> Going counter-clockwise increases the rebound damping,
> making it stiffer in rebound.  I would guess that with H&R
> OE springs, you would need closer to 1 full turn in front.
> I run 1.5 with H&R sports.
>
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Buch" <the_buch@telus.net>
> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:55 PM
> Subject: [E36M3] There's nothing like rebound
>
> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:51:55 -0800
> > From: The Buch <the_buch@telus.net>
> > Subject: There's nothing like rebound
> >
> > All this talk about rebound is getting pretty exciting - what do you
> > think Suzy?  But I must admit to some confusion - does the
> > counterclockwise stiffness setting on our Koni SAs result in greater
> > rebound damping or greater rebound response - I have been thinking it is
> > the latter, but now want to make sure.
> >
> > As another data point for the dialogue, I have the Streetline setup with
> > my rears at just under one turn and the fronts set just 1/4 turn 'up'
> > from full soft.  Feels good to me, and I just love the H&R OE springs
> > for a subtle improvement over stock in every way.  However, I noticed
> > the other day going over a speed bump slightly too fast that the front
> > suspension made a nasty creaking noise suggesting that it got a bit
> > over-extended.  I am speculating that going a bit stiffer up front might
> > be a better match for these springs??
> >
> > Regards,      Doug
> >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] best M3 GT replica? - from Robert Chay
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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 01:55:52 -0500
From: Robert Chay <rchay@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [E36M3] best M3 GT replica?

If you're talking about the LTW wing, I would be careful putting just the
rear wing on as it lightens the front and makes for interesting high speed
handling. I would recommend installing a front splitter with the rear wing
for balance.

-Bobby

----- Original Message -----

>
> Check Turner Motorsport ,www.turnermotorsport.com under Aerodynamics 3
they
> have an M3 for the E36 at ~$500
>
> However, Bavarian Autosport http://www.bavauto.com/ carries 4 different
> varieties with the "Bavarian Autosport" brand (whatever that is) looking
> like the factory spoiler.  As a bonus it comes pre-painted to match your
> BMW's color code for $450
>
> Both of these have the integrated third brakelight unlike the Racing
> Dynamics spoilers which are either below the rear window brakelight or
above
> it (DTM Style).
>
> Have fun, this should keep you busy.
>
> PS bavauto is down for maintenance right now, but I was browsing around it
> earlier today.
>
> Mel
>
>

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#10. Strut Bar - from Chris
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:47:45 -0800
From: "Chris" <ccurry@curry.org>
Subject: Strut Bar

I recently popped my hood for a friend of mine who owns a Saleen and upon
seeing my Dinan strut bar he said, "Only a 2 point strut bar? wtf? The one's
for my stang are 4 point, much better." Huh?

....
Thanks,
Chris

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