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#1. : faster wheels - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:15:14 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: : faster wheels Russel, >>i've heard this a few times on this list...that smaller diameter wheels will make you go faster, or conversely, larger diameter wheels will slow you down. whats the physics behind this? << Its simply a matter of how you are effecting your overall gear ratio when you enlarge your drive wheels....Take a ten speed bike, or a supercharger setup....I recently increased my drive pulley from 5" to 6". This has the effect of spinning the supercharger up to higher rpms, producing more boost...However, the time it takes to get up to speed would be marginally slower....Take a 10 speed...When you go from the small front sprocket to the large front sprocket, notice how much harder it is to move the wheels at the same speed as before....Although you will acheieve a much heigher top speed, the accelerative capacity is lowered. ITs not exactly the same, but provides enough of a visual for you to see whats going on when you enlarge the drive wheels on your car. Someone else will have to chime in with the math and ratio changes when you expand your drive wheels by, say an inch. Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#2. faster wheels - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:18:38 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: faster wheels >>Get yourself the lightest tire out there (not sure which one is lightest) and you'll out accelerate a car with the same exact overall diameter tire/wheel with Borbet Type Es and the heaviest steel belted radial =)<< Yea, but my only point was that if you want to keep or improve your current acceleration, dont blow it by choosing a wheel/tire combo which will enlarge your drive diameter by anything approaching an inch. Ive done it, and its no good, believe me! Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#3. There's nothing like rebound - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:26:09 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: There's nothing like rebound Db, >>This is what I am confused about ... I would have thought more 'damping' means less shock responsiveness = less stiff not more stiff<< To me, damping means restriction of movement. Officially, to damp is to 'restrain or check'. So, wouldnt more damping mean more 'restraining', ie, more stiff? Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#4. RE: Strut bars, X-braces and sub-frame connectors, oh my! - from Mel Silva
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:24:19 -0600 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: Strut bars, X-braces and sub-frame connectors, oh my! Re: Mustangs (I should know) Having been the victim of building two of these beasts before joining the BMW camp, I can say that Neil and Tim are absolutely right. As soon as you stiffen up the suspension on a Mustang so that it doesn't handle like a Fairmont, the cowl begins to shake in sustained turns and the alignment will be different from week to week. The triangulated STB ties the thing together a little, but many of them use sheet metal screws into the strut towers making most of them mere decorations. I used one that required 10 holes be drilled through the firewall for aircraft grade bolts and was sandwiched between the caster/camber plates at the strut tower. Also realize that the bar you removed from your BMW to install your x-brace is called a K-member support and is about all they have to upgrade to. One company (Kenny Brown) makes something similar to the X-brace, but few use it because it fits so poorly. Next time you have the opportunity, look under the hood of a Mustang and then under the hood of a BMW. One of the things us Mustang guys would do to add some more stability to the chassis is to MIG all the sheet metal seams together. A very large PITA but worth the effort. 10 years before I bought one, that was the first thing I noticed about the 325iS my boss bought. I cold go on and on, but why... If anyone wants I could tell you all about sub-frame connectors, floor-pan integral supports, and Sub-frame supplemental supports (Hell, I even have one of those kits in my garage right now, ready to weld up, oh darn, no Mustang to weld it to). See all the fun you fancy pants BMW guys are missing? (DISCLAIMER: derogatory comments in jest) Mel 97 M3/4 and damn proud of it too -----Original Message----- You can't compare body structure rigidity between a Mustang (any FORD) to any BMW. I bet you my 83 320i has a stiffer body than the same year Mustang. The reason why they have to ahve a 4 point bar is b/c their body is so limp. -- Tim Ng 95 YELA/BUZZN/M3 92 325ic M-Tech "ULTIMATE TANNING MACHINE" 91///M3 "SUNNY DAY CAR" 88///M3 "TRACK CAR" SICK ENGINE 87 325IS PARTS CAR HOT ENGINE 83 320i "back for sale, buyer never showed"
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#5. Re: Pinstriped M3? Removing pinstriping? - from Ken Dobyns
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:50:17 -0800 From: Ken Dobyns <ken_d@mac.com> Subject: Re: Pinstriped M3? Removing pinstriping? Hi Mike, I have used a hair dryer in the past to remove pinstriping. Once it gets hot enough it peels right off. A little buffing and waxing and things should be right as rain. Happy Motoring, Ken Dobyns Portland, OR > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:54:17 -0800 > From: "Mike Kanaly" <mike@worklife.com> > Subject: Pinstriped M3? Removing pinstriping? > > > Hello Everyone! > Just purchased a 97 alpine white m3 coupe, and noticed some pretty > cheesy side pinstriping on the car. Did this come stock? On all 97 > m3's or was it an option? Has anyone successfully removed it? How? > > I was thinking of using a hairdryer and putting it on High Heat, holding > it a few inches away, and attempting to peel it with my fingernails and > seeing if that would take it off. Does anyone have any other > suggestions? What about goo gone? I don't want to damage my paint, but > I also want to take this junk off. How do professional detailers take > this stuff off? > > > > Let me know! > -Mike
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Strut Bar - from Alain van der Heide
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:57:18 -0700 From: "Alain van der Heide" <ajvdh1@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Strut Bar Yep, the Fox body's a flexy flyer. Chris, do you have an LTW/convertible "X" brace underneath? That's more effective than the strut bar. - Alain (X brace and M-sport strut bar) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Maller" <neil.maller@gte.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: [E36M3] Re: Strut Bar > Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:39:40 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Strut Bar > > on 3/2/02 3:45 AM, "Chris" <ccurry@curry.org> wrote: > > > I recently popped my hood for a friend of mine who owns a Saleen and upon > > seeing my Dinan strut bar he said, "Only a 2 point strut bar? wtf? The one's > > for my stang are 4 point, much better." Huh? > > Depends where the 4 points are. If the Mustang bar also has triangulated > mounts to the firewall, as well as the crossbar, then your friend is > absolutely right. > > Of course bear in mind that the Mustang's chassis, based on the 70s Ford > Fairmont, needs all the stiffening help it can get. > > Neil > 96 M3 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] best M3 GT replica? - from James Mckenna
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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 12:06:03 -0500 From: James Mckenna <shutupkid@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] best M3 GT replica? im looking for the short 2 piece version.. thanks for all the input -james ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] best M3 GT replica? > Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 01:55:52 -0500 > From: Robert Chay <rchay@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] best M3 GT replica? > > If you're talking about the LTW wing, I would be careful putting just the > rear wing on as it lightens the front and makes for interesting high speed > handling. I would recommend installing a front splitter with the rear wing > for balance. > > -Bobby > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Check Turner Motorsport ,www.turnermotorsport.com under Aerodynamics 3 > they > > have an M3 for the E36 at ~$500 > > > > However, Bavarian Autosport http://www.bavauto.com/ carries 4 different > > varieties with the "Bavarian Autosport" brand (whatever that is) looking > > like the factory spoiler. As a bonus it comes pre-painted to match your > > BMW's color code for $450 > > > > Both of these have the integrated third brakelight unlike the Racing > > Dynamics spoilers which are either below the rear window brakelight or > above > > it (DTM Style). > > > > Have fun, this should keep you busy. > > > > PS bavauto is down for maintenance right now, but I was browsing around it > > earlier today. > > > > Mel > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#8. Re: There's nothing like rebound - from The Buch
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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 09:28:18 -0800 From: The Buch <the_buch@telus.net> Subject: Re: There's nothing like rebound I know what you're saying, but since it's rebound, I wondered if more damping would slow the shock from returning the suspension to it's steady-state condition?? Doug Paul Elliott wrote: > Db, > > >>This is what I am confused about ... I would have thought more 'damping' > means > less shock responsiveness = less stiff not more stiff<< > > To me, damping means restriction of movement. Officially, to damp is to > 'restrain or check'. So, wouldnt more damping mean more 'restraining', ie, > more stiff? > > Paul Elliott > --------------------------------------------------------- > '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: > 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; > Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#9. Re: There's nothing like rebound - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:44:58 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: There's nothing like rebound > I know what you're saying, but since it's rebound, I wondered if more damping > would slow the shock from returning the suspension to it's steady-state > condition I believe yes, it would....And this would account for the 'stiffer' term when applied to it. I thought you said that this scenario you believed would lead to a 'less stiff' setting. If its more damped, the movement is restrained, and the apparent effect is added stiffnes. No? Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Buch" <the_buch@telus.net> To: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Cc: <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:28 PM Subject: Re: There's nothing like rebound > I know what you're saying, but since it's rebound, I wondered if more damping > would slow the shock from returning the suspension to it's steady-state > condition?? > > Doug > > Paul Elliott wrote: > > > Db, > > > > >>This is what I am confused about ... I would have thought more 'damping' > > means > > less shock responsiveness = less stiff not more stiff<< > > > > To me, damping means restriction of movement. Officially, to damp is to > > 'restrain or check'. So, wouldnt more damping mean more 'restraining', ie, > > more stiff? > > > > Paul Elliott > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: > > 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; > > Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio > >
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#10. Re: There's nothing like rebound - from The Buch
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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:07:08 -0800 From: The Buch <the_buch@telus.net> Subject: Re: There's nothing like rebound Yes ... but is there a difference between the way 'stiffness' feels on rebound versus compression of the shock?? ... for example, on first hitting a speed bump, more damping = a stiff, rock-hard impact with the bump on the compression side, but following compression more damping of the shocks rebound would lead to less of a bounce off the bump where I would think a 'stiff' suspension would launch you off the bump?? ... on the other hand, maybe this is just semantics?? Regards, Doug Paul Elliott wrote: > > I know what you're saying, but since it's rebound, I wondered if more > damping > > would slow the shock from returning the suspension to it's steady-state > > condition > > I believe yes, it would....And this would account for the 'stiffer' term > when applied to it. I thought you said that this scenario you believed > would lead to a 'less stiff' setting. If its more damped, the movement is > restrained, and the apparent effect is added stiffnes. No? > > Paul Elliott > --------------------------------------------------------- > '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: > 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; > Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Buch" <the_buch@telus.net> > To: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> > Cc: <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: There's nothing like rebound > > > I know what you're saying, but since it's rebound, I wondered if more > damping > > would slow the shock from returning the suspension to it's steady-state > > condition?? > > > > Doug > > > > Paul Elliott wrote: > > > > > Db, > > > > > > >>This is what I am confused about ... I would have thought more > 'damping' > > > means > > > less shock responsiveness = less stiff not more stiff<< > > > > > > To me, damping means restriction of movement. Officially, to damp is to > > > 'restrain or check'. So, wouldnt more damping mean more 'restraining', > ie, > > > more stiff? > > > > > > Paul Elliott > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank > pulley: > > > 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; > > > Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio > > > >