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#1. Re: [E36M3] Rear Shock Tower Brace - from David Hogg
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:15:36 -0800 From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear Shock Tower Brace I have the Dinan rear brace. It transfers easily from my '98 M3/4 to the '95 track car, and can just as easily (30 seconds) be removed to make full use of the trunk. It's very rigid. And it's pretty. I put it on because I DID have a major shunt when the rear came around on me one time. I figured it would plant the rear better. That having been said, it's about the last upgrade I'd do again. It gives a only a small improvement and only under track conditions with track tires. The comment about bad rear trailing arm bushings causing rear end instability has me thinking, though. The '98 is almost out of warranty, and it's getting twitchy. Would this R&R be a warranty item? Dave Hogg
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#2. Re: Brake bleeding - from Geof McLaughlin
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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:40:04 -0500 From: Geof McLaughlin <gfmiiilist@usa.net> Subject: Re: Brake bleeding At 08:18 PM 3/5/02 -0600, Ron Katona wrote: >Are you certain that simply >running the ABS pump flushes the ABS system? I'd love to hear that this >is the case because it's as easy as pie to get the ABS pump motor to >run. I can neither confirm or deny this . ;-) Can anyone else shed some light?
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#3. wheel vibration - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:04:18 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: wheel vibration Jeff, >>Paul, that's pretty easy. Try option one. Explain to the monkey handling your wheels that you are very particular, be nice, tip him, and see if the 'Road Force' wheel balance as it is called fixes the slight balancing issue.<< Thanks for the input...At my dealer, though, its almost impossible to get near the particular 'monkey' (not my favorite term ....theyre not All monkeys so I hate to use such a broad brush to paint them with!) whos working on my car...The closest I usually get is the service writer, which to me is one of the big drawbacks of using the dealer...On the plus side, I must say that every repair or diagnosis this dealer has ever made, has been spot on. Except when I had to bring it back 3 wks after my Dinan suspension installation for a rear noise associated with a loose shock bolt...well, at least they properly diagnosed and repaired it first time. So, I guess I'll give them a crack at this....Now, only hope theyve been trained properly on this fine pc of Hunter equipment! Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#4. Re: wheel vibration - from The Abels
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:15:00 -0600 From: "The Abels" <aAbel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: wheel vibration > Jeff, > > >>Paul, that's pretty easy. Try option one. Explain to the monkey handling > your wheels that you are very particular, be nice, tip him, and see if the > 'Road Force' wheel balance as it is called fixes the slight balancing > issue.<< > > Thanks for the input...At my dealer, though, its almost impossible to get > near the particular 'monkey' (not my favorite term ....theyre not All > monkeys so I hate to use such a broad brush to paint them with!) whos > working on my car...The closest I usually get is the service writer, which > to me is one of the big drawbacks of using the dealer...On the plus side, I > must say that every repair or diagnosis this dealer has ever made, has been > spot on. Except when I had to bring it back 3 wks after my Dinan suspension > installation for a rear noise associated with a loose shock bolt...well, at > least they properly diagnosed and repaired it first time. So, I guess I'll > give them a crack at this....Now, only hope theyve been trained properly on > this fine pc of Hunter equipment! > > Paul Elliott Paul, Well, I have not had such wonderful experience with my local dealer, though I did have acceptable service when I lived in DC from my dealer there. In any event, I was thinking of Discount Tire, which tends to have this particular Hunter machine. Perhaps "thugs" is a better term. Jeff 97 M3/4, with scratched wheels from thugs at tire shop
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#5. RE: suspension upgrades - from Chip Mitchell
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:02:40 -0500 From: "Chip Mitchell" <chipm@arches.uga.edu> Subject: RE: suspension upgrades I feel like I should chime in since Peter copied my post below. My original comment was simply suggesting that IF you decide on a coil-over kit, I have determined the GC kit to be a better value that the H&R kit because of its adjustability in springs and shocks. As far as the merits of a coilover suspension on a street car, I tend to agree with Peter. In fact, I've been tracking the car at driving schools for almost five years with the factory suspension, street tires, and street brakes. Its amazing what you learn when you're trying to keep up with guys on R tires and stiff springs. The stock car is still fast as crap, but I'm pretty sure I've developed enough as a driver to play with the suspension a bit at this point ;) ChipM -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:23:21 -0500 From: James Mckenna <shutupkid@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: suspension upgrades well guys, i bought this car to mod it, almost everybody in the local dtmpower car crew has completely replaced their stock suspensions.. what made me buy this car over the others i was concidering, was when i went for a ride in my buddys 99m3 with hr coilovers, x-brace, rd sways, and an rd strut towerbrace (hinged).. the ride was absolutely amazing, ofcorse it rode a little rougher than stock, but that rougher fealing was what made me fall in love with the car in the first place, i liked how this car actually rode like a sports car, it could be raced through bumpy intersections without the wheels bouncing and spinning, but most of all was how the car would remain completely flat while making any kind of turn. my stock susp cant hang with my buddys stock s2000, but this 99m3 destroys it over and over... those added characteristics are the reason i would like to upgrade my suspension.. thanks for all your input guys -james ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fanning" <p.fanning@verizon.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:48 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: suspension upgrades > Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:45:53 -0800 > From: Peter Fanning <p.fanning@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: suspension upgrades > > I was really trying not to comment on this tread, really, but... > > If you're never going to track the car and it's a daily driver why do > you want to do major modifications to the suspension? This will > likely give you a noisier, harsher ride. > > If you're never going to track the car why do you need better > handling? The majority of people don't approach the limits of a stock > E36 M3 on the track much less the street. > > If you want a "capable" car for the occasional aggressive street > driving you already have it. You don't need to improve the car for > what you describe. You'd be much better off improving the driver. > > If you're just going for the 'look' disregard everything I wrote above > and spend away, it's your money. > > Peter Fanning > 98 M3/4 > Parts improved as limits were reached on the track, still a > comfortable daily driver. > > PS - No flame intended, just pushed a button. > > > At 12:18 AM 3/5/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:41:46 -0500 > >From: "Chip Mitchell" <chipm@arches.uga.edu> > >Subject: Re: suspension upgrades > > > >Hi James, > > > >I just went through the same process and decided on the > >Ground-Control kit instead of H&R because it offers much more > >versatility (60mm springs and adj konis) for a better price. I > >expect delivery in the next week or two, so I'll update on how it > >turns out if everyone is interested. > > > >ChipM > > > > > > > > >hey guys, in about two months i plan to do some suspension upgrading. > > >currently ive only got an x brace.. i plan to go with this setup > > > > > >hr coilovers > > >eibach sways > > >powerflex bushings (which ones should i replace, i assume mine are > >shot, > > >its a 95m3 with 67k miles) > > > > > >eventually i will complete the suspension upgrading buy adding the > > >bmw strut tower brace, camber plates, and ill pry throw in actives > > >shock tower brace (i figure the brace will not only protect the > > >shock tower > >as > > >the zr plates do, but eliminate any possible movment umong the > > >shock > > >towers) > > > > > >my car is daily driven, dont plan on tracking it, but the > > >occasional aggressive street driving... basically i want a > > >'capable' car.. > > > > > >so what do you guys think of this setup? would you alter anything? > > >add or drop anything? ( i know the shcoktower brace does near > > >nothing, its > >a > > >mental thing for me) > > > > > >thanks for your time > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing > list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET > directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested > file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of > the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#6. FS: 1995 E36 M3 - from Robert Liu
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 06:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Liu <bob_a_liu@yahoo.com> Subject: FS: 1995 E36 M3 For Sale! 1995 BMW M3, Alpine White, black leather interior, 5 speed, moonroof, OBC, etc. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/bob_a_liu/vwp2?.tok=bcKjiUPBW5rfUahY&.dir=/1995+M3&.dnm=M3+iso.jpg&.src=ph Vehicle is in excellent condition inside/out. 160k miles, mostly highway. Car has been to two driving schools. Compression and leakdown tests done last year shows the engine is very healthy. 1% - 2% leakdown on all 6 cylinders! Recent maintenance: Rebuilt all brake calipers, replaced one caliper. All new rotors and pads Replaced Guibo (Flex-Disc) Shocks Inspection II @ 149k miles New foglights and stoneguard film New O2 sensor New underpanel Upgrades: 17x8 Borbet T wheels, 235/45R17 ContiSportContacts Flowmaster exhaust Tinted windows (35%) Koni shocks JC intake, chip, euro HFM (dyno'd at 219 rwhp) http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/bob_a_liu/vwp2?.tok=bcKjiUPBiyaAMtFr&.dir=/1995+M3&.dnm=Dyno+plot.jpg&.src=ph Imperfections: Small stone chips on front facia Couple key marks which have been touched up $18,000 firm Contact me either at my email: bob_a_liu@yahoo.com or at home (please leave message) 704-708-6357 The car is located in Charlotte, NC. Thanks, Bob ===== ------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Liu bob_a_liu@yahoo.com ICQ# 22765210 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
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#7. RE: [E36M3] RE: suspension upgrades - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:48:55 -0500 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: suspension upgrades I am responding to Peter on this one. Peter I agree with what you said but I think you are preaching to the wrong people on this one. Yes we all do have a fabulous stock suspension on our cars. But as with human nature we are not satisfied with what we have. We must do more to it and try to improve what we have. Thus everyone thinks they need to modify the suspension on these cars. But let me throw this one little food for thought in to everybody out there who thinks the stock suspension is not capable. I have ridden in a stock, open diff (not limited slip) 1992 325i with James Clay from Bimmerworld around Road Atlanta. The only thing that had been changed on the car was it had a set of Toyo Rcompound tires on it. Can I just say that we were passing M3s with modified suspension, Rcompound tires, and the whole nine yards in this STOCK 325. Was it a track worthy suspension? NO. But the stock suspension in even a 325 can out handle most people out there in M3s with modified suspension. So if you guys think that modified suspensions is the way to improve the car on the track or street then the answer again is no. But it is always going to be done because we have the new DTM crowd coming onto the list. And as for Chip buying his new suspension. All I can say is that he is ready for something better than stock. I have ridden with him in his M3 before and I was impressed with how much a stock suspension with street tires could take on the track. I just feel sorry for his instructors as he comes flying into Turn 1 at Road Atlanta knowing he has a stock suspension. I would not think you could take it that fast but he has proven me wrong. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com -----Original Message----- From: Chip Mitchell [mailto:chipm@arches.uga.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 9:08 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: suspension upgrades Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:02:40 -0500 From: "Chip Mitchell" <chipm@arches.uga.edu> Subject: RE: suspension upgrades I feel like I should chime in since Peter copied my post below. My original comment was simply suggesting that IF you decide on a coil-over kit, I have determined the GC kit to be a better value that the H&R kit because of its adjustability in springs and shocks. As far as the merits of a coilover suspension on a street car, I tend to agree with Peter. In fact, I've been tracking the car at driving schools for almost five years with the factory suspension, street tires, and street brakes. Its amazing what you learn when you're trying to keep up with guys on R tires and stiff springs. The stock car is still fast as crap, but I'm pretty sure I've developed enough as a driver to play with the suspension a bit at this point ;) ChipM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fanning" <p.fanning@verizon.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:48 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: suspension upgrades > Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:45:53 -0800 > From: Peter Fanning <p.fanning@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: suspension upgrades > > I was really trying not to comment on this tread, really, but... > > If you're never going to track the car and it's a daily driver why do > you want to do major modifications to the suspension? This will > likely give you a noisier, harsher ride. > > If you're never going to track the car why do you need better > handling? The majority of people don't approach the limits of a stock > E36 M3 on the track much less the street. > > If you want a "capable" car for the occasional aggressive street > driving you already have it. You don't need to improve the car for > what you describe. You'd be much better off improving the driver. > > If you're just going for the 'look' disregard everything I wrote above > and spend away, it's your money. > > Peter Fanning > 98 M3/4 > Parts improved as limits were reached on the track, still a > comfortable daily driver. > > PS - No flame intended, just pushed a button. > >
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#8. Re: Brake Bleeding - from shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:18:19 -0500 From: shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding >James, this is also the first time that I have ever heard that air can be >introduced using a pressure bleeder and to be honest, I am quite >skeptical. This method is standard auto repair shop procedure. Do you >care to elaborate more? I agree with James. I have been pressure bleeding for a couple years now, and lately have been having some problems with introducing air into the lines. What I do now is put the car on stands, do the pressure bleed, then ask the wife to come out to the garage and I then do a quick manual bleed to get the air out. My hypothesis is that with all of the bleeding that I have loosened the threads on the bleeder nipples. But I could be wrong. In any case, I have had this happen. Shane This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.
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#9. FS: Porsche "Big Black" calipers, New In Box - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 07:58:22 -0800 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: FS: Porsche "Big Black" calipers, New In Box Hi All. Before I put them on eBay, I thought I'd offer them to the list: 1 set of Porsche 928GTS calipers. These are the same size as "Big Reds", but they are configured for so-called "trailing mounts" (i.e. the front calipers mount behind the front axle), like the M3. These are beautiful, BIG, 4-piston (staggered sizes) aluminum calipers fo the fixed-piston type (not sliders like on our M3s). They say "PORSCHE" in white on them. AFAIK, Big Reds are configured for "leading mounts" (i.e. the front calipers are ahead of the front axle), and therefore can't be used on our cars without modification. These calipers are new, unused, in their original boxes. Porsche P/N 928 351 423 03 and 928 351 424 03. No other parts (e.g. mounting brackets / adapters, pads, hoses) are included. I bought them a long time ago, intending to do a brake project, and I just don't have the time right now, so I might as well sell them. Sniff ... :-( $600 OBO, plus shipping + insurance. Save yourself a little over the going rate for these puppies. Contact me privately. -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com
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#10. Re: suspension upgrades - from Peter Fanning
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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 08:29:41 -0800 From: Peter Fanning <p.fanning@verizon.net> Subject: Re: suspension upgrades Paul, I'll absolutely agree that when the OEM shock wear out you're better off installing Koni SA's, they ride and handle better than OEM parts. This is far from coilovers, lower - stiffer springs, stiffer bushings, anti-sway bars, etc. I'll stick to my opinion that the majority of people do not approach the limit of what a stock E36 M3 is capable of. You're much better off improving the driver so they can take advantage of what the car is capable of in (near) stock form. Peter Fanning '98 M3/4 At 08:58 PM 3/5/2002 -0500, Paul Elliott wrote: >Peter, > > >>If you're never going to track the car and it's a daily driver why do you >want to do major modifications to the suspension<< > >I think youre oversimplifying the issue a bit. As Chester said earlier, >there are plenty of guys when faced with a worn out stock component find >that for not much more than an OE replacement part, and sometimes less even, >they can upgrade the component to one with a more performance oriented >goal...Im not suggesting that he should replace his OE suspension with >bonafide coil-overs, but, who says you cant stiffen up your springs and >shocks *a bit*, and benefit by it in street only use....I just replaced my >worn out shocks with a Dinan stage I kit for just a few hundred dollars more >than a stock replacement would have cost, and find the results are much more >to my liking for street driving. > > >>If you're never going to track the car why do you need better >handling? The majority of people don't approach the limits of a stock E36 >M3 on the track much less the street<< > >I dont think this is true at all....Have you ever seen how some guys take >turns on the interstate when traffic is sparse? > > >>You don't need to improve the car for what you >describe<< > >When faced with worn out shocks at 30K miles, as is the case with most stock >Boge shocks on our M3s, dont you think it preferable to replace them with >adjustable, lifetime Konis, instead of paying almost as much for stock Boges >which will need to be replaced again in another 30K miles? Ive dont it, and >I can tell you, along with most others, that its a no-brainer decision. > >Paul Elliott >--------------------------------------------------------- >'99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: >11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; >Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio