E36M3 #2138

Tuesday, March 26, 2002 13:54:14

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#1. Re: [E36M3] M3 LTW Oil Pan Questions - from Andrew E. Kalman
#2. Re: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar - from Vern Anderson
#3. RE: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar - from Johnny Lee
#4. Re: [E36M3] R-Compounds: Appropriate? - from Gerald Low
#5. Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay - from Sue Kraft
#6. Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay - from Mark Radelow
#7. LTW oil pan - oil level - from RFKoby@aol.com
#8. E36 M3 LTW Oil Pan - from Prakash Maggan
#9. Re: euro HFM and injectors... - from Josh
#10. Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay - from Sue Kraft

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#1. Re: [E36M3] M3 LTW Oil Pan Questions - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:15:43 -0800 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 LTW Oil Pan Questions Re: >I had my mechanic change the oil last Friday since he >was installing my new E30 aluminum control arms >anyway. I think he overfilled by around a half of a >quart and maybe by 1 full quart. I noticed this in >the morning when I checked the oil before leaving for >work. When I left work last night, I noticed >something I hadn't noticed ever before in the cold >weather, everything was nice and quiet instead of the >din of noisy lifters. I had previously had to listen >to the very noisy lifters until several minutes after >I had started driving (at low RPMs of course). The consensus seems to be that overfilling by 1qt is OK on E36 M3s, including those with LWT oil pans. >I also remember getting an extra dipstick and tube >when I got the LTW oil pan, but I thought that >dipstick was for 96+ cars only. So, is my oil level >overfull, or do I just have the wrong dipstick? (Or >maybe I'm the dipstick :)) Any ideas or comments? Thanks You have the wrong dipstick tube installed. The LWT oil pan needs the tube that came with it, for all cars. So, change the dipstick tube, and then see what your oil level is. I check mine with the engine warm and running, and keep it at the top of the factory range. Regards, -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar - from Vern Anderson
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:32:35 -0500 From: "Vern Anderson" <vernon_anderson@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar I used the JT Designs rear-headrest camera mount for a year with great success before I got my rollbar. Very high quality unit, works well. It is not as good as a rollbar mount, but it is the next best thing. Highly recommended. However Tony, based on your signature line, your 95 M3 may not have rear headrests, so the JTD unit may be useless for you. Vern Anderson -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:08:00 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar JT Designs (http://www.jt-designs.com/) sells a camera mount that utilizes the rear head rests. I was looking into ordering on, but I believe they're backordered for another 4 or 5 weeks. I believe the price is about $135, which doesn't sound too bad, but I've never seen one in person to comment on the quality (though other JTD products I've seen have been great). Jonathan L. >From: bmw <m3lawdawg@yahoo.com> > >For the next driving school I would like to put a >camera in the car. Are there any places to mount the >unit if there is no roll bar. > >Tony >Tarheel BMWCCA >95M3 >

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#3. RE: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar - from Johnny Lee
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:11:08 -0500 From: Johnny Lee <mclee@ieee.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar http://hybrid.honda-perf.org/contrib/cameramount/buildit.html I had one like this for my Prelude and it works out pretty good. However, I don't think it will work for the M3 coupe that has the Vader seats. I have an M3/4 with the traditional head rest so I will try to make a similar one for it. Nevertheless, I think it would be easy to make one that fit into the rear headrests (with longer tubing and bolts on both sides.) The whole thing costs under $35. -Johnny -----Original Message----- From: Vern Anderson [mailto:vernon_anderson@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:33 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:32:35 -0500 From: "Vern Anderson" <vernon_anderson@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar I used the JT Designs rear-headrest camera mount for a year with great success before I got my rollbar. Very high quality unit, works well. It is not as good as a rollbar mount, but it is the next best thing. Highly recommended. However Tony, based on your signature line, your 95 M3 may not have rear headrests, so the JTD unit may be useless for you. Vern Anderson -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:08:00 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Camera mount-no rollbar JT Designs (http://www.jt-designs.com/) sells a camera mount that utilizes the rear head rests. I was looking into ordering on, but I believe they're backordered for another 4 or 5 weeks. I believe the price is about $135, which doesn't sound too bad, but I've never seen one in person to comment on the quality (though other JTD products I've seen have been great). Jonathan L. >From: bmw <m3lawdawg@yahoo.com> > >For the next driving school I would like to put a >camera in the car. Are there any places to mount the >unit if there is no roll bar. > >Tony >Tarheel BMWCCA >95M3 > ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#4. Re: [E36M3] R-Compounds: Appropriate? - from Gerald Low
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:11:48 -0500 From: "Gerald Low" <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] R-Compounds: Appropriate? Bob, The Corsa will not be available in 17" sizes at least for this year. The sizes are targeted towards Porsches. The present Pzero Competitions need lots of camber and wore prematurely on the outside. I hope that Pirelli has learned from the past. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mdriver13@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] R-Compounds: Appropriate? > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:56:12 EST > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] R-Compounds: Appropriate? > > > OK, not to complicate this topic further, but I just received the April > issue of SportsCar and inside the front cover is the new Pirelli Pzero > Corsa. Anybody know anything about this tire?? Wild tread design! > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > AS Champion 1997 & 2000 > BSP Champion 2001 (on Kumho V700) > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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#5. Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:23:00 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay Guess I really miss my M3.... Suzy "Dorffer, Rich" wrote: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:23:42 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: supercharged '97 M3 on ebay Ahh, going down that slippery slope again into a forced induction M3! The list owner should I believe. Sorry, nothing good to add to your inquiry. Regards, Rich -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:31:21 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: supercharged '97 M3 on ebay Does anyone know anything about this car? Any info would be helpful. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181432934 7> &item=1814329347

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#6. Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:30:41 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay One thing I will say about that car is that it appears to have a Powerdyne supercharger. Those things are POS that require rebuilding at great cost. Just an FYI. Also notice the check engine light it on, it has those ugly rims, and it appears to be a luxury addition...Ugh. Mark From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Reply-To: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:23:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:23:00 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay Guess I really miss my M3.... Suzy "Dorffer, Rich" wrote: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:23:42 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: supercharged '97 M3 on ebay Ahh, going down that slippery slope again into a forced induction M3! The list owner should I believe. Sorry, nothing good to add to your inquiry. Regards, Rich -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:31:21 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: supercharged '97 M3 on ebay Does anyone know anything about this car? Any info would be helpful. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181432934 7> &item=1814329347 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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#7. LTW oil pan - oil level - from RFKoby@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:39:02 EST From: RFKoby@aol.com Subject: LTW oil pan - oil level prakask, I have seen the TC Kline prepared E36 M3's, the dipstick is actually modified and an extra line (or mark) is cut into the red plastic oil level indicator. The mark is approximately 1/8" higher than the top mark. the oil capacitiy to fill to this new mark is right at 9 quarts. YES, NINE(9) QUARTS!! The stock fill capacity is advertised at 7.5 quarts. The oil does not foam, or wrap around the crank. The is no oil consumption, or loss. So this add volume doesn't hurt any. It does eliminate any oil starvation problems, and associated lifter tick. I have run my 3 E36 cars this way without any problems. I you have seen how hot and thin the oil gets when the engine is really run hard, you will switch to a thicker oil and add the extra volume to make 9 quarts.... YMMV... hope this helps..... bob > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 05:14:34 -0800 (PST) > From: Prakash Maggan <pmaggan@yahoo.com> > Subject: M3 LTW Oil Pan Questions > > Greetings all, > I have a question for those of you with M3 LTW oil > pans. How much oil does it take to get to the full > mark on the dipstick? It has been taking me exactly 7 > quarts to get there. > > I had my mechanic change the oil last Friday since he > was installing my new E30 aluminum control arms > anyway. I think he overfilled by around a half of a > quart and maybe by 1 full quart. I noticed this in > the morning when I checked the oil before leaving for > work. When I left work last night, I noticed > something I hadn't noticed ever before in the cold > weather, everything was nice and quiet instead of the > din of noisy lifters. I had previously had to listen > to the very noisy lifters until several minutes after > I had started driving (at low RPMs of course). > > I also remember getting an extra dipstick and tube > when I got the LTW oil pan, but I thought that > dipstick was for 96+ cars only. So, is my oil level > overfull, or do I just have the wrong dipstick? (Or > maybe I'm the dipstick :)) Any ideas or comments? Thanks > > ===== > > Prakash Maggan > > http://hometown.aol.com/dinan750 > > Email: prakash@maggan.org >

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#8. E36 M3 LTW Oil Pan - from Prakash Maggan
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:46:33 -0800 (PST) From: Prakash Maggan <pmaggan@yahoo.com> Subject: E36 M3 LTW Oil Pan From what others have said (thanks guys) it appears that I am using the wrong dipstick. I also called Korman, from whom we did the group purchase some time ago. They confirmed the P/N for the proper dipstick and tube as follows: Dipstick: 11 43 1 404 836 Tube: 11 43 1 740 044 Thanks again. ===== Prakash Maggan http://hometown.aol.com/dinan750 Email: prakash@maggan.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards(r) http://movies.yahoo.com/

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#9. Re: euro HFM and injectors... - from Josh
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:36:44 -0700 From: Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com> Subject: Re: euro HFM and injectors... Your assessment is correct. Nice work BTW. Josh At 10:40 AM 3/26/2002 -0500, Dorffer, Rich wrote: >Well, since I originally posted the question, I thought I would recap what >I think the gist of the matter is. I have read a lot on this topic in the >last few days including archives of the E36M3 Digest, the UUC Digest, >European Car, etc. I have seen mixed messages on this but in the end, I >think this is what I have determined: > >- Stock injectors on a '95 M3 are 17.5lb/hr and the stock injectors on a >'96 - '99 M3 are 21.5lb/hr (~23% greater). >- The DME is able to adjust the fuel ratio approximately +/-10% based on >the sensors, etc. >- The stock injectors on a '95 M3 are adequate with a chip, intake and >Euro HFM although just about maxed out (at ~280 hp at the crank). >- Since they are near maxed out in this configuration, the duty cycle is >near/at 100% in the highest RPM range, therefore, the '95 M3 can benefit >from larger injectors on the track if there is sustained running near red line. >- If you do upgrade to larger injectors, you will need to have the chip >reprogrammed as you will not be fully benefiting from the injectors >without telling it what injectors you are running in order to stay within >the DME's adjustment range (the larger injectors will use up all the >adjustment in the one direction). No real performance improvement will be >noted though as the stock injectors were able to provide adequate fuel >previously. >- More radical cams along with a chip, intake and Euro HFM or a >supercharger/turbocharger (basically, as you go over ~280 hp at the crank) >will necessitate larger injectors (along with an appropriate chip). > >I also believe when you see such small gains on the dyno (in the range of >5-10 hp) like European Car, you have to wonder what other variables may >have come into play to also account for the difference. I studied the >dyno charts and the difference was barely distinguishable through most of >the rpm range with the addition of the larger injectors. > >Thanks for everyone's help. > >I think I will stick with my stock injectors, maybe clean them (more to >follow on this topic). > >Regards, > >Rich Dorffer > >95 M3 - stock injectors with JC Intake, JC Chip and Euro HFM > >PS - Looking through some of my old archives, I have excerpted the >following on this topic: > > >-------------------- 9 -------------------- >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:50:32 -0600 >From: Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com> > > >If you have an E36 3.0l M3 with a Euro HFM intake, chip, and muffler, you >don't need the larger injectors. > >If you have the above car plus camshafts or supercharger or use the car for >racing then you might need or gain benefit from use of a higher flow fuel >injectors. And you will only gain that benefit if your car has a properly >tuned chip that has been fully calibrated to your injectors.

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#10. Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:55:21 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] supercharged '97 M3 on ebay Yes, it is a Powerdyne supercharger and the owner of the car installed it himself. Don't know if that's good or bad. The guy who put the car on Ebay is a broker and doesn't actually own the car, just trying to sell it for his friend. I did see the check engine light on in the picture.....had plenty of those when the Mechtech turbo was on my M3 and it always meant trouble. I'll have to do a little more thinking on this one.... Suzy Mark Radelow wrote: > One thing I will say about that car is that it appears to have a Powerdyne > supercharger. Those things are POS that require rebuilding at great cost. > Just an FYI. Also notice the check engine light it on, it has those ugly > rims, and it appears to be a luxury addition...Ugh. > > Mark

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