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#1. Crack of the whip!!!! - from Wen Liew
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:55:35 -0800 From: "Wen Liew" <wwliew@hotmail.com> Subject: Crack of the whip!!!! Warning, warning! Our list mistress is looking for forced induced black lux M3 and cracking the whip again on OTs. It must be spring ;) Wen - sure won't say anything bad about forced induction or lux M3 >From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Continuation of my air compressor saga > >This is way off topic and should be moved to private email. Thanks! > >Suzy _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
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#2. heat dissipation.....was Pondering the Geometries of Brake Calipe - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:34:19 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: heat dissipation.....was Pondering the Geometries of Brake Calipe r Pistons "As for me, I just powder coated my calipers and think that that will solve my over heating issues." < snip > I was under the understanding that any color other than non-gloss flat-black acted as a barrier to hold heat....especially a smooth glossy surface........... KLB
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#3. RE: [E36M3] heat dissipation.....was Pondering the Geometries of Brake Caliper - from Mel Silva
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:51:06 -0600 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] heat dissipation.....was Pondering the Geometries of Brake Caliper I think Chester is just showing off his big calipers, regardless of their color. -----Original Message----- From: Burgess, Kim L [mailto:kim.l.burgess@boeing.com] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:43 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] heat dissipation.....was Pondering the Geometries of Brake Calipe Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:34:19 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: heat dissipation.....was Pondering the Geometries of Brake Calipe r Pistons "As for me, I just powder coated my calipers and think that that will solve my over heating issues." < snip > I was under the understanding that any color other than non-gloss flat-black acted as a barrier to hold heat....especially a smooth glossy surface........... KLB ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#4. North American Challenge Club Race Report (Long) - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:15:31 -0600 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: North American Challenge Club Race Report (Long) Now that I am finally coming down off my adrenaline high from this weekend, here is a recap of my amazing weekend (and a little more): Two weeks ago, I drove to Colorado from Dallas to pick up my recently completed '95 M3 I-Stock racecar. The last time I had seen the M3 was back in November 2001 when I flew to Denver to buy it through an online classified ad. It was the perfect prototype for a club racer: 1995 M3, black/black with absolutely no options whatsoever (sunroof, cruise, OBC, etc.) and only 20k miles. The car's previous owner was a very meticulous patent attorney who only drove the car on select weekends, yet performed routine maintenance flawlessly, many times after only driving the car for 500 miles. It was in better condition than my '99 M3 that I parted with soon thereafter. Needless to say, I couldn't bring myself to tell the seller what I planned to do with the car. Well, I bought the car that day (Saturday) and dropped it off at the race shop on Sunday. The race shop is Bimmer Haus Performance (www.bimmerhaus.com) in Broomfield, CO, a suburb between Boulder and Denver. This shop was recently started by 2 well-known racer/tuners, Jim Leithauser and Bob Tunnell. I highly recommend their shop for everything from routine maintenance to turnkey racecar prep. Talk to Jim and tell him that I sent you. The weekend prior to race, I participated in a DE hosted by The Driver's Edge (www.thedriversedge.net) at Texas World Speedway which was same track as the NA Challenge Race. Prior to this DE event, I had only driven my '99 M3 on the track and it was a completely stock car except for mild camber settings and a race seat (so that my 6'3" frame could wear a helmet). I was very comfortable and confident in the '99 and was turning consistent 2:08s. With my recently completed '95 M3, it would be my first time in a true track car and with R-compound tires on a road course. My racing experience to date consisted of only autocrossing. I began the weekend with my set of Yoko A032R (rain setup) since I knew that they would not be as sticky as the Hoosiers and they would allow me to learn the car first. Well, needless to say, after the morning sessions, I quickly swapped out the Yoks for the Hoosiers and felt very comfortable throwing the car around the track. I spent the rest of the weekend, working on off-line and recovery maneuvers in an attempt to simulate true race conditions. After the last session of the weekend, I received a much appreciated vote of confidence from one of the instructors that I admired. He went out of his way to find me and tell me that I had made a great off-line pass of the car (C5 Corvette) that he was instructing and that there were few instructors that could have made that pass so effortlessly. Now, it's time for the big weekend... Another rookie, Luis Marques (J-Stocker), and I headed out to College Station on Thursday at lunch to meet up with a very experienced driver, Jefrem Iwaniw, to caravan down. Luis and I had the biggest grins on our faces the whole way down. When we arrived at the track, there were racecars, motor homes and enclosed trailers everywhere. I quickly unload my car, park it in the garage and begin prepping it for practice the following morning. Later that night, we have a rookie meeting hosted by CR President Steve Olsen. He proceeds to scare the heck out of me about needing to check your mirrors frequently because there were a lot of fast cars out here and how it is nothing like a DE. At most DEs, there were no more than 25 cars on the track at a time. This race was going to have 37 racecars all going into turn 1 (100-150 mph) left hand sweeper coming off the long banked straightaway. I was telling myself to just hold your line and let everyone else try to win the race in the first turn. After a successful first practice on Friday of just trying to have fun and be safe, my friends are telling me that my 1:59 lap times were very respectable especially for a rookie who has only driven the car for a week. During the next practice session, I manage to lower my best time to a 1:58.8...my confidence is rising since I am 8 or 9th quickest out of 37 cars and was able to practice some passing in the turns. I was passed only once by the faster cars (Super Modified PTG car and a handful of B/D-Modified cars). In the first afternoon session, I qualify 8th and begin dreading turn 1 of the race later that day. Well, the race goes green and Cautious Scott is quickly demoted back to 13-14th place. However, on the first lap, I begin to notice a vibration in the rear. Thinking that it is just excess rubber on my tires since they weren't at peak temperatures yet, I continued to drive on for another lap. Well, the vibration continues to occur and has actually moved to the front as well. I decide to pit at the next opportunity, but I never get the chance. White smoke begins billowing out, and I immediately pull off and hide my car behind a barrier, so that no local caution flags are required. Ends up that I made a big rookie mistake that I will never do again. After qualifying earlier that day, I had decided to check the wear on all 4 tires and rotate them as needed. I broke all of the lug nuts loose on the 4 wheels and proceeded to check the right side first which was getting most of the wear on the predominantly left hand turn course. Well, they were perfect and didn't need to be rotated, so I put the 2 right side tires back on and torqued them. Notice that I didn't say anything about re-torqueing the left side. Well, during the race, the left side proceeded to work itself loose, shear half of my studs and wobble on the rear until the tire started rubbing the fender. Other than my stupidity and embarrassment of making a rookie mistake, there was no significant damage to the car other the studs and a couple holes on my Forgelines being wallowed out by the studs. Could have been much, much worse, so I am somewhat thankful. In an attempt to err on the conservative side, I decided to replace both front and rear hubs in case there was some internal damage with new studs at the track, so I spend the next 4-5 hours chasing down parts and tools to do the job. Because of the time needed to repair the car, I miss out on the two morning practices and qualifying on Saturday. For the start of the race, I am moved to the back of the pack since I didn't qualify. Boy, this was fun as it gave me a great opportunity to practice passing some slower cars (sorry 2002s). I managed to finish 16th out of 30 cars in my first race. I couldn't be happier to be back on the track after my rookie mistake. It's Sunday...the big day. A weather front had moved in overnight creating windy conditions especially the headwind on the front straight. Times for most of the cars were about a second off of the pace from the day before. However, I still manage to qualify 8th with a 1:59 lap time. As the green flag dropped for the 1.5 hour enduro, I was thinking to myself that I was going to be a little more aggressive at turn 1. Not aggressive from the standpoint of trying to gain positions, but just not trying to loose as many as I did before in my first race. Plan worked! I hugged the inside of turn 1 and held my position even though my competition was filling my mirrors with red (E30 M3s, that is!). Throughout the weekend, I realized that there were approximately 3 tranches of cars in terms of lap times: group 1 (1:55s), group 2 (2:00s) and group 3 (2:05s). I was clearly near the front of my group 2. Now my goal was to run a clean race and try to finish near the front of my group. It was going to long race (1.5 hours) especially since I had never been on the track for more than 30 minutes at one time. After the first laps, Mel Myers (H-Stock), Andy Scott (J-Prepared) and I (I-Stock) have a great time exchanging positions with out braking, lap traffic and drafting techniques. I have this on video and it is spectacular. Mel has repeatedly proven that is very quick and I was content to let him stay in front. Now, as for Andy Scott (a personal friend of mine from Dallas), I consider him to be a great benchmark. If I could keep in front of him (and Jefrem who was co-driving), I would consider the race a great success. Thanks to the help of friends, my mandatory 5 minute pit stop went very well as I emptied 2 5-gallon fuel jugs, checked tire pressures and lug nuts. In the end, I placed 1st in class and 7th overall behind Mel and in front of Andy Scott. Andy Scott and Jefrem Iwaniw have both taught me a lot about racing and I owe them a big thanks! For my first enduro race, I was able to finish in front of the people that I considered to be my primary competition (Andy Scott, Tim Probert and Paul Marshall) and actually recorded the quickest lap time of the weekend, 1:58.0, besting Mel's quickest time in the enduro of 1:58.3. This past weekend was the most amazing time that I've ever experienced in motorsports. I highly recommend becoming more involved in club racing, be it by racing or as a spectator. I owe my personal success this past weekend to my fellow racers and friends for sharing their valuable knowledge and also to Bimmer Haus Performance for building such a well-tuned racecar out-of-the-box. It was great to put faces with the names of the infamous racers (Collet, Zilinsky, Hull, Warren, Akard, etc.) as well as become a part of the camaraderie of Club Racing. Consider me hooked for life! Scott Riley #60 '95 M3 I-Stock
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Crack of the whip!!!! - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:29:45 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crack of the whip!!!! And here I thought most of you guys would enjoy a good spring flogging! :-) www.audioenquirer.com/whip/whip.wav Suzy listmistress <-- can't let the 'ole whip get too rusty Wen Liew wrote: > Warning, warning! Our list mistress is looking for forced induced black lux > M3 and cracking the whip again on OTs. It must be spring ;) > > Wen - sure won't say anything bad about forced induction or lux M3 > > >From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Continuation of my air compressor saga > > > >This is way off topic and should be moved to private email. Thanks! > > > >Suzy
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Continuation of my air compressor saga - Safety - from Berney, Butch
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:32:55 -0800 From: "Berney, Butch" <butch.berney@lamrc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Continuation of my air compressor saga - Safety issue I realize this is off topic, but the material that Robert proposed is not safe for use with compressed gasses (air), and we wouldn't want others getting the idea that it is ok to use. PVC tends to fail in fragments, and the energy stored in the pipe is enough to propel these sharp pointy fragments with great force. In otherwords, you have a shrapnel grenade just waiting to go off in your garage. PVC is fine for carrying your water, and drainage, just keep it away from your compressor please. If you want more info, just do a google search on "PVC compressed air". Just ignore all the "spud gun" hits, and check out the PVC manufacturers websites. You will find this warning on every one of them. Stay safe, Butch Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:22:49 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Continuation of my air compressor saga This is way off topic and should be moved to private email. Thanks! Suzy
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#7. RE: [E36M3] North American Challenge Club Race Report (Long) - from Birkhead, Rob
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:40:04 -0600 From: "Birkhead, Rob" <rbirkhead@bb.directv.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] North American Challenge Club Race Report (Long) Great report Scott! You have a list of mods your new I-Stock has? That is a great lap time. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Riley, Scott [mailto:sriley@cardinalcapital.com] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:23 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] North American Challenge Club Race Report (Long) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:15:31 -0600 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: North American Challenge Club Race Report (Long) Now that I am finally coming down off my adrenaline high from this weekend, here is a recap of my amazing weekend (and a little more): Two weeks ago, I drove to Colorado from Dallas to pick up my recently completed '95 M3 I-Stock racecar. The last time I had seen the M3 was back in November 2001 when I flew to Denver to buy it through an online classified ad. It was the perfect prototype for a club racer: 1995 M3, black/black with absolutely no options whatsoever (sunroof, cruise, OBC, etc.) and only 20k miles. The car's previous owner was a very meticulous patent attorney who only drove the car on select weekends, yet performed routine maintenance flawlessly, many times after only driving the car for 500 miles. It was in better condition than my '99 M3 that I parted with soon thereafter. Needless to say, I couldn't bring myself to tell the seller what I planned to do with the car. Well, I bought the car that day (Saturday) and dropped it off at the race shop on Sunday. The race shop is Bimmer Haus Performance (www.bimmerhaus.com) in Broomfield, CO, a suburb between Boulder and Denver. This shop was recently started by 2 well-known racer/tuners, Jim Leithauser and Bob Tunnell. I highly recommend their shop for everything from routine maintenance to turnkey racecar prep. Talk to Jim and tell him that I sent you. The weekend prior to race, I participated in a DE hosted by The Driver's Edge (www.thedriversedge.net) at Texas World Speedway which was same track as the NA Challenge Race. Prior to this DE event, I had only driven my '99 M3 on the track and it was a completely stock car except for mild camber settings and a race seat (so that my 6'3" frame could wear a helmet). I was very comfortable and confident in the '99 and was turning consistent 2:08s. With my recently completed '95 M3, it would be my first time in a true track car and with R-compound tires on a road course. My racing experience to date consisted of only autocrossing. I began the weekend with my set of Yoko A032R (rain setup) since I knew that they would not be as sticky as the Hoosiers and they would allow me to learn the car first. Well, needless to say, after the morning sessions, I quickly swapped out the Yoks for the Hoosiers and felt very comfortable throwing the car around the track. I spent the rest of the weekend, working on off-line and recovery maneuvers in an attempt to simulate true race conditions. After the last session of the weekend, I received a much appreciated vote of confidence from one of the instructors that I admired. He went out of his way to find me and tell me that I had made a great off-line pass of the car (C5 Corvette) that he was instructing and that there were few instructors that could have made that pass so effortlessly. Now, it's time for the big weekend... Another rookie, Luis Marques (J-Stocker), and I headed out to College Station on Thursday at lunch to meet up with a very experienced driver, Jefrem Iwaniw, to caravan down. Luis and I had the biggest grins on our faces the whole way down. When we arrived at the track, there were racecars, motor homes and enclosed trailers everywhere. I quickly unload my car, park it in the garage and begin prepping it for practice the following morning. Later that night, we have a rookie meeting hosted by CR President Steve Olsen. He proceeds to scare the heck out of me about needing to check your mirrors frequently because there were a lot of fast cars out here and how it is nothing like a DE. At most DEs, there were no more than 25 cars on the track at a time. This race was going to have 37 racecars all going into turn 1 (100-150 mph) left hand sweeper coming off the long banked straightaway. I was telling myself to just hold your line and let everyone else try to win the race in the first turn. After a successful first practice on Friday of just trying to have fun and be safe, my friends are telling me that my 1:59 lap times were very respectable especially for a rookie who has only driven the car for a week. During the next practice session, I manage to lower my best time to a 1:58.8...my confidence is rising since I am 8 or 9th quickest out of 37 cars and was able to practice some passing in the turns. I was passed only once by the faster cars (Super Modified PTG car and a handful of B/D-Modified cars). In the first afternoon session, I qualify 8th and begin dreading turn 1 of the race later that day. Well, the race goes green and Cautious Scott is quickly demoted back to 13-14th place. However, on the first lap, I begin to notice a vibration in the rear. Thinking that it is just excess rubber on my tires since they weren't at peak temperatures yet, I continued to drive on for another lap. Well, the vibration continues to occur and has actually moved to the front as well. I decide to pit at the next opportunity, but I never get the chance. White smoke begins billowing out, and I immediately pull off and hide my car behind a barrier, so that no local caution flags are required. Ends up that I made a big rookie mistake that I will never do again. After qualifying earlier that day, I had decided to check the wear on all 4 tires and rotate them as needed. I broke all of the lug nuts loose on the 4 wheels and proceeded to check the right side first which was getting most of the wear on the predominantly left hand turn course. Well, they were perfect and didn't need to be rotated, so I put the 2 right side tires back on and torqued them. Notice that I didn't say anything about re-torqueing the left side. Well, during the race, the left side proceeded to work itself loose, shear half of my studs and wobble on the rear until the tire started rubbing the fender. Other than my stupidity and embarrassment of making a rookie mistake, there was no significant damage to the car other the studs and a couple holes on my Forgelines being wallowed out by the studs. Could have been much, much worse, so I am somewhat thankful. In an attempt to err on the conservative side, I decided to replace both front and rear hubs in case there was some internal damage with new studs at the track, so I spend the next 4-5 hours chasing down parts and tools to do the job. Because of the time needed to repair the car, I miss out on the two morning practices and qualifying on Saturday. For the start of the race, I am moved to the back of the pack since I didn't qualify. Boy, this was fun as it gave me a great opportunity to practice passing some slower cars (sorry 2002s). I managed to finish 16th out of 30 cars in my first race. I couldn't be happier to be back on the track after my rookie mistake. It's Sunday...the big day. A weather front had moved in overnight creating windy conditions especially the headwind on the front straight. Times for most of the cars were about a second off of the pace from the day before. However, I still manage to qualify 8th with a 1:59 lap time. As the green flag dropped for the 1.5 hour enduro, I was thinking to myself that I was going to be a little more aggressive at turn 1. Not aggressive from the standpoint of trying to gain positions, but just not trying to loose as many as I did before in my first race. Plan worked! I hugged the inside of turn 1 and held my position even though my competition was filling my mirrors with red (E30 M3s, that is!). Throughout the weekend, I realized that there were approximately 3 tranches of cars in terms of lap times: group 1 (1:55s), group 2 (2:00s) and group 3 (2:05s). I was clearly near the front of my group 2. Now my goal was to run a clean race and try to finish near the front of my group. It was going to long race (1.5 hours) especially since I had never been on the track for more than 30 minutes at one time. After the first laps, Mel Myers (H-Stock), Andy Scott (J-Prepared) and I (I-Stock) have a great time exchanging positions with out braking, lap traffic and drafting techniques. I have this on video and it is spectacular. Mel has repeatedly proven that is very quick and I was content to let him stay in front. Now, as for Andy Scott (a personal friend of mine from Dallas), I consider him to be a great benchmark. If I could keep in front of him (and Jefrem who was co-driving), I would consider the race a great success. Thanks to the help of friends, my mandatory 5 minute pit stop went very well as I emptied 2 5-gallon fuel jugs, checked tire pressures and lug nuts. In the end, I placed 1st in class and 7th overall behind Mel and in front of Andy Scott. Andy Scott and Jefrem Iwaniw have both taught me a lot about racing and I owe them a big thanks! For my first enduro race, I was able to finish in front of the people that I considered to be my primary competition (Andy Scott, Tim Probert and Paul Marshall) and actually recorded the quickest lap time of the weekend, 1:58.0, besting Mel's quickest time in the enduro of 1:58.3. This past weekend was the most amazing time that I've ever experienced in motorsports. I highly recommend becoming more involved in club racing, be it by racing or as a spectator. I owe my personal success this past weekend to my fellow racers and friends for sharing their valuable knowledge and also to Bimmer Haus Performance for building such a well-tuned racecar out-of-the-box. It was great to put faces with the names of the infamous racers (Collet, Zilinsky, Hull, Warren, Akard, etc.) as well as become a part of the camaraderie of Club Racing. Consider me hooked for life! Scott Riley #60 '95 M3 I-Stock ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Continuation of my air compressor saga - Safety - from Robert S. Hatrak II
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:48:56 -0800 From: "Robert S. Hatrak II" <hatrak@ix.netcom.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Continuation of my air compressor saga - Safety Thanks for all of the private replies, and especially this one. Yikes! Copper it is. Sorry to Suzy and all for the OT email. I will limit emails to only M3s and not the peripheral items that seem to keep gathering around mine (tools, etc)! Rob. -----Original Message----- I realize this is off topic, but the material that Robert proposed is not safe for use with compressed gasses (air), and we wouldn't want others getting the idea that it is ok to use. PVC tends to fail in fragments, and the energy stored in the pipe is enough to propel these sharp pointy fragments with great force. In otherwords, you have a shrapnel grenade just waiting to go off in your garage. PVC is fine for carrying your water, and drainage, just keep it away from your compressor please. If you want more info, just do a google search on "PVC compressed air". Just ignore all the "spud gun" hits, and check out the PVC manufacturers websites. You will find this warning on every one of them. Stay safe, Butch
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Crack of the whip!!!! - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:54:50 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crack of the whip!!!! At 10:33 AM 3/28/02, Sue Kraft wrote: >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:29:45 -0600 >From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crack of the whip!!!! > >And here I thought most of you guys would enjoy a good spring flogging! :-) >www.audioenquirer.com/whip/whip.wav > >Suzy >listmistress <-- can't let the 'ole whip get too rusty That's the special "E36M3 List" way to shake off the winter duldrums - for those of you that *have* a winter <bg> Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - freshly washed last night 1993 325is #44 KP - heading to sunny Sears Point on Sat to run the newly-reopened full track. Woohoo!
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#10. Chester - Keep your day job - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:56:32 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Chester - Keep your day job hahaha I think your joke back fired. Yep, in case you didn't look at Chester's link, he has done more than just powder coated his calipers :-) He has Porsche 996 big brakes front and rear. Chester - How about a short description of the Porsche big brake kit? I'm sure you hate them and want to sell them?? I'll buy 'em! Lowell Seaton '95 M3