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#1. LIST PROBLEMS - ADMIN NOTICE - from John Rather
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:04:43 -0600 From: John Rather <JRather@chemsoft.com> Subject: LIST PROBLEMS - ADMIN NOTICE Sorry to everyone for the blank messages. We are in the process of installing three new Dell Poweredge servers AND upgrading to Exchange 2000 at the same time. As usual, nothing is going as planned. Potential 'glitches' like this could occur over the next month - will do best to try to shield everyone from these problems. Thank you, Webmaster John C. Rather jrather@chemsoft.com http://www.chemsoft.com | Software Development http://www.chemsoft.net | Internet Services 920.431.0003 408-515-6373 (cell) 920.431.0004 fax http://www.rather.net 920.431.0434 home
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#2. HMS follow up - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:01:01 -0600 From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: HMS follow up I finally got a hold of Paulo and they shipped to the wrong customer and billed me. They appear to be having some growing pains, however, handled the problem well. I installed the new Shroth Rallye 4 harness yesterday.... Simple install and clips in and out in 30 seconds. Thanks for the input. Shel 98 M3
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#3. need help adjusting rear Eibach sway bar - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:55:29 -0600 From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: need help adjusting rear Eibach sway bar To all...Happy Holidays and all that stuff! ...Oh and I need some help. Well, spent my day off getting the M3 ready for another autox season and thought I'd stiffen up the rear end to swing it out a little in those tight turns by adjusting the rear sway bar. No problem moving to the other hole, BUT, what is the torque spec for the bolt that holds the end link to the sway bar????? I used 40 N-m, but just a guess?? Funny, the Eibach instructions say, "use OE specs" . Well we all know there is no bolt on the OE sway bar/end link. TIA, (also for enduring my previous two blank messages) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 BSP Champion 2001
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#4. Re: euro HFM and injectors... - from Ron Katona
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:34:03 -0600 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: euro HFM and injectors... Jim, It should make it to the digest now - I'll leave your answer intact. Thanks for the reply and the technical information. My suspicion that the two injectors were rated at different pressures came from the Bentley manual rather than Bosch specifications (no doubt a questionable leap of faith). On page 130-11 Bentley lists fuel pressure for the M50/S50US at 3.0 bar and for the M52/S52US at 3.5 bar. My June 2001 version of the ETK lists the '95 M3 FPR at 3.0 bar. It does not state the pressure rating for '96+ cars. Those two bits of information made me wonder if the published ratings for these two injectors were given at different pressures and therefore the flow rates of the two were much closer than the 23%-24% often stated. Your ratings from Bosch show this is not the case, so that whole question is moot. For clarification though, does the '95 run at lower fuel pressures than the later cars as indicated by the Bentley? If so, then the '95 injectors would only be able to supply 175.9 cc/min at 3.0 bar [sqrt(43.5/50.75) * 190] compared to the 236.8 cc/min of the '96+ injector operating at its rated 3.5 bar. That indicates that that '96+ cars have almost 35% greater fuel flow capacity than the '95s! That seems extreme. Is the Bentley wrong? -- Ron Katona Jim Conforti wrote: > > At 04:42 PM 3/30/2002 -0700, Josh wrote: > > Ron/Josh/Rich, > > I don't know if this will make it to the E36 digest, as I'm not on it.. > but feel free to copy it in. > > First, the numbers that Rich Dorffler quoted, and then the pressures > that you're surmising are > both a bit off.. and the whole #/hr rating system is pretty useless as > different fuels have widely > differing densities (from about 0.58g/cc thru 0.80g/cc). > > The 95 M3 used Bosch Injector 0 280 150 415, rated at 190.0cc/min at 350 > kPa (kiloPascals) > aka 3.5 bar aka 50.75 (51) psi. > > This is of course DIFFERENTIAL, and not absolute pressure. You can' t > measure the pressure > in the fuel rail without referencing it back to the current manifold vacuum. > > The 96+ cars use Bosch Injector 0 280 150 440, rated at 236.8 cc/min at > the same 350kPa. > > The later injectors are about 24.6% larger. > > But the pressures are the same. > > Since flow rates increase as the square root of the pressure ratio, to > get that same flow rate > from the original injectors would require a fuel pressure of: > > 236.8/190 = sqrt(X/350) > > (236.8/190)^2 = X/350 > > X = (236.8/190)^2 * 350 > > X = 543 kPa = 5.43 bar = 78.8psi > > So, to get the same flow from the stock injectors you need over 5 bar of > pressure. > > Note that the stock 96+ injectors are even smaller than the much more > inexpensive > "Ford Motorsport 24# light blue" injectors and to reach the same flow > rate with the > stock injectors would require a pressure of 823kPa or 119.4 psi. > > I doubt that the stock fuel system would handle such pressures for very > long if at all. > > Nor would I ever engineer anything to use such ridiculous pressures > because a small > fuel leak at 8+bar would expel finely atomized fuel spray > everywhere. Can you say BOOM!?! > > With a set of the Ford Motorsport Injectors under $300, there is no > reason to try and > cut corners and do so dangerously all to save a few bucks. I'll leave > that to the other > "tuners" out there. > > Jim
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#5. FS: Bridgestone RE730 225/45ZR17 NEW - from NickG
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:32:46 -0600 From: NickG <nick@tech-nick.net> Subject: FS: Bridgestone RE730 225/45ZR17 NEW For Sale: one Bridgestone RE730 225/45ZR17 tire. It is brand new with the label still on it. Picture is available upon request. Costs $143 at Tire Rack. I'm asking $80 plus shipping from zip code 33060. Thanks, Nick nick@tech-nick.net
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#6. euro HFM and injectors - from Sue Kraft - forward
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:50:59 -0600 From: Sue Kraft - forward <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: euro HFM and injectors Jim Conforti asked me to post the following on the list for him. Suzy >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:59:28 -0700 >To: Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com>, Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> >From: Jim Conforti <lndshrk@bonnevillemotorwerks.com> >Subject: Re: euro HFM and injectors... >Cc: E36M3 Digest <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > >At 04:42 PM 3/30/2002 -0700, Josh wrote: > >Ron/Josh/Rich, > > I don't know if this will make it to the E36 digest, as I'm not on it.. > but feel free to copy it in. > > First, the numbers that Rich Dorffler quoted, and then the pressures > that you're surmising are > both a bit off.. and the whole #/hr rating system is pretty useless as > different fuels have widely > differing densities (from about 0.58g/cc thru 0.80g/cc). > > The 95 M3 used Bosch Injector 0 280 150 415, rated at 190.0cc/min at > 350 kPa (kiloPascals) > aka 3.5 bar aka 50.75 (51) psi. > > This is of course DIFFERENTIAL, and not absolute pressure. You can' t > measure the pressure > in the fuel rail without referencing it back to the current manifold > vacuum. > > The 96+ cars use Bosch Injector 0 280 150 440, rated at 236.8 cc/min at > the same 350kPa. > > The later injectors are about 24.6% larger. > > But the pressures are the same. > > Since flow rates increase as the square root of the pressure ratio, to > get that same flow rate > from the original injectors would require a fuel pressure of: > > 236.8/190 = sqrt(X/350) > > (236.8/190)^2 = X/350 > > X = (236.8/190)^2 * 350 > > X = 543 kPa = 5.43 bar = 78.8psi > > So, to get the same flow from the stock injectors you need over 5 bar > of pressure. > > Note that the stock 96+ injectors are even smaller than the much more > inexpensive > "Ford Motorsport 24# light blue" injectors and to reach the same flow > rate with the > stock injectors would require a pressure of 823kPa or 119.4 psi. > > I doubt that the stock fuel system would handle such pressures for very > long if at all. > > Nor would I ever engineer anything to use such ridiculous pressures > because a small > fuel leak at 8+bar would expel finely atomized fuel spray > everywhere. Can you say BOOM!?! > > With a set of the Ford Motorsport Injectors under $300, there is no > reason to try and > cut corners and do so dangerously all to save a few bucks. I'll leave > that to the other > "tuners" out there. > > Jim
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#7. need help adjusting rear Eibach sway bar - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 14:41:48 -0600 From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: need help adjusting rear Eibach sway bar
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#8. Eibach sway bar help (again, with text hopefully) - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:03:20 -0600 From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Eibach sway bar help (again, with text hopefully) Well folks, I'm bound and determined to get this email posted (wrote this during the no text portion of the weekend)...so here goes. Spent Friday setting the rear sway bar to stiff to minimize understeer a wee-bit more for this autox season ;-)) Can anyone tell me what is the torque spec for the bolt that attaches the rear bar to the end link? I used 42N-m, that felt tight. Is this too tight or not tight enough? Funny, the Eibach instructions say same torque specs as OE, but we all know the OE has no bolt at the rear! Hope everyone had a nice and safe Easter weekend. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 BSP Champion 2001
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Eibach sway bar help (again, with text hopefully) - from James McKenna
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:35:34 -0600 From: James McKenna <shutupkid@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eibach sway bar help (again, with text hopefully) slighty off topic, but what are the adjustibility options for the eibachs? soft/stiff front and rear? im assuming your frotn is set at soft, so how are these settings on the street? i'll be ordering eibach sways tommarow and would liek to knwo what settings to use prior to installing.... one more thing, does the kit come complete with all new hardward? did you have to re-use anything? thanks -james ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mdriver13@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: [E36M3] Eibach sway bar help (again, with text hopefully) > Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:03:20 -0600 > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Eibach sway bar help (again, with text hopefully) > > Well folks, I'm bound and determined to get this email posted (wrote > this during the no text portion of the weekend)...so here goes. > > Spent Friday setting the rear sway bar to stiff to minimize understeer a > wee-bit more for this autox season ;-)) Can anyone tell me what is the > torque spec for the bolt that attaches the rear bar to the end link? I > used 42N-m, that felt tight. Is this too tight or not tight enough? > Funny, the Eibach instructions say same torque specs as OE, but we all > know the OE has no bolt at the rear! > > Hope everyone had a nice and safe Easter weekend. > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > AS Champion 1997 & 2000 > BSP Champion 2001 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Eibach sway bar Questions - from Chris Teague
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:15:14 -0600 From: Chris Teague <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eibach sway bar Questions James, The Eibach's come with 2 settings front, and 2 settings rear. I run mine full stiff F and R for street/autox, and while it leans much less than stock, the ride quality was very close to stock with the stock springs. I can't imagine anyone complaining. For the front, it's just the bar and bushings. You reuse the stock end links (or upgrade). For the rear, it's the bar, bushings, and new end links (modified stock ones). It comes with a new bolt for the lower part, and I think you reuse the upper one (there is no lower bolt in the stock configuration.). Note that ground-control now offers rear sway bar end links with heim joints in addition to the front ones they have had for a while. Just ordered mine last week. Chris ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:35:34 -0600 > From: James McKenna <shutupkid@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eibach sway bar help (again, with text hopefully) > > slighty off topic, but what are the adjustibility options for the > eibachs? > soft/stiff front and rear? im assuming your frotn is set at soft, so how > are > these settings on the street? i'll be ordering eibach sways tommarow and > would liek to knwo what settings to use prior to installing.... one > more > thing, does the kit come complete with all new hardward? did you have to > re-use anything? thanks -james