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#1. Re: [E36M3] The end (was: big brake kits) - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 05:07:20 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] The end (was: big brake kits) Well Chester, if you really want to feel unappreciated, try running an internet mailing list for 5 years. I'm either too tough, or not tough enough. You ought to read my email. I get complaints no matter what I do. I don't think anybody, no matter how hard they tried, could keep all you people happy. For those that care, I did send Chester a private email apologizing if I was too hard on him. Chester never even responded. I can't win. I'm just this mean, nasty person that was trying to provide a place for the E36 M3 enthusiasts to hang out for the last 5 years. And what do I get for my efforts? Grief. And someone that is always pissed at me for not running the list they way they think it should be run. Guess I'm finally tired of always having people mad at me when all I was ever trying to do was help out. Life is too short for this. Suzy Chester Wong wrote: > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:30:37 -0800 (PST) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: The end (was: big brake kits) > > You know, when I saw this last post after I thought the thread died, I knew it > was time to shut the computer off and do something fun. But it got to me and I > had to turn it back on and send off one last response to this. > > I guess if I wanted to, I could go retrieve the one e-mail that I send off that > Mr. Tiggersman said I was out of line that started this whole thing. I don't > recall being so far off base. Perhaps I didn't make absolutely clear that I > was basing my opinions from driving Wayne's car. As I said before, when Wayne > first got the brakes, I was very interested as it required absolutely no mods, > just a straight bolt up. And I was disappointed after driving a car with big > brakes that the pedal feel was off. In fact, that was probably the first car > I've driven with big brakes. So I just sat on the sidelines driving around > with stock brakes and PF90s on the track. > > But at the last driver school in October, I thought I lost my brakes a bit and > upon swapping pads back to stockers, I did! Melted the boots, boiled the > fluid. So now I was at a fork in the road: rebuild/reuse and perhaps go with > ducting/etc or look into something different. To me, $300+ for backing plates > is ludicrous. Replacing duct hoses, etc...no thanks. An opportunity came > about to get front and rear brakes for a very good price and I jumped on it. > Installed, bled, rebled...wow...this is great. ...I wonder why Wayne's car > doesn't feel this good. Since Wayne is a good friend, I wanted to get his car > just as good because that's what friends do, right? Bled and rebled his > brakes...still not the "oh my gosh" feel. Ben was good enough to try the car > out and even said that it didn't feel right. They rebled and things are even > better. Great. When I found that out, I offered an apology to the list and to > Ben and Rogue Engineering. > > So what's with all this bashing and stuff? Why was Chester pro-UUC and then > against them? I dunno. Well, I know it came about for a reason, but as time > goes, you start to forget. And I certainly wanted to forget about this whole > brake discussion and how stupid it became. > > But then I received a pretty nasty e-mail from a list member who participated > in a group purchase of euro mirrors that I ran a while back. I was reminded of > my Chester stories and from that, it reminded me why I even joined this list. > We're all a bunch of car guys/gals. That was why I even shared my stupid > stories in the past in the first place....like an extended family of sorts that > I considered friends. I remember Stephen Lafredo saying, "Dude, you do realize > that people are reading those e-mails, right?" I said, "yah...what do I care? > They're funny!" If you can't laugh at yourself, then, at least to me, you're > taking yourself too seriously. All coming from a person who has an agenda? I > have nothing to hide. > > So I was in my car utopia...washing, waxing, polishing...and then I heard > people talking about short shifters. And remember when I first joined the > list, I didn't even know how to drive a stick! I think I've gotten better at > it now. And yah..me losing the brakes (see above) was probably my driving > technique...over using the brakes, etc. I'll be the first to admit...I'm not > the fastest guy out there on the track, but I'm learning...and I have much to > learn. > > But that still didn't stop me from getting bitten by the upgrade bug. Short > shifter? OOOhhh...I *NEED* one of those. Clutch stop? Hell yeah!...smoother > driving! JimC software! Damn straight! I went along with advice that a lot > of people suggested. BL/SS, shark software, etc. > > Were the products good, bad, worth it, not worth it? *shrug*...dunno...what do > *you* think of it? And I guess that's what I'm learning now. At least for me, > I wasn't satisfied when I couldn't shift into reverse or first, or the strut > brace sat too high up (turns out that the person I sold the brace to has two > dents in his hood now)...whatever. And that's perfectly fine. Not happy with > it? You can do whatever you want. > > It was what happened behind the scenes that bugged me more than anything else. > So to the lister who e-mailed me insulting me left and right, let me just say > that you don't know what happened and unless you've walked in my shoes, you > can't say anything. That's when it became my mission to "expose the truth". > But you know, it's not worth it. Why should I have to save you from any grief > or save you from spending your money? It's your money! > > But you know, it's all good. A few things made me realize the significance of > things--grasping the bigger picture in life, if you will. I had a friend who > died when I was 19. She was 19 too. Big shocker...and reminded me to cherish > life. Years go by and you tend to forget. Sept 11th happened and my > ex-girlfriend was on the 72nd floor of WTC 2. I could only imagine what she > went through. > > You know what? It's only a car....a f*cken car. A piece of machinery with > four wheels that in our case, handles well, and puts a smile on our faces. All > this bullsh*t takes the fun out of the hobby, doesn't it? Not worth this crap > at all. > > Quite frankly, I harbor no ill feelings towards Ben Liaw, Rob Levinson or > anyone else for that matter. I didn't appreciate the way I was treated back > then, but Rob, through Matt Malfa, once offered to put this all behind us. And > you know, that's a pretty good idea. If certain business practices remain the > same, well...don't tell me about it. > > Am I in business with Jim El Nabli? We're thinking about it, but we're too > busy with our regular professional lives to do much about it. To anyone who > has bought BMW parts from me, I hope I offered some added value and gave you a > good price and I thank you for your business. We're not out there to gouge > just trying to build up some R&D money. > > With all this said, you guys still want me on the list? It doesn't bother me > one way or another. You guys lost respect for me? Hope not, but if you did, > what can I say but, "sorry"? As for me, I'll be having fun with my M3 driving > around on the track...April 19th, 20th at LRP...here we come! > > Best regards, > Chester
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#2. Re: [E36M3] The end (was: big brake kits) - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:57:25 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] The end (was: big brake kits) In a message dated 4/6/02 6:19:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, suekraft@new.rr.com writes: > Guess > I'm finally tired of always having people mad at me when all I was ever > trying to > do was help out. Life is too short for this. > Dear Suzy: Guess this email is way too late, but you run a great list. I think you're a fair, upfront person, a goddess (oh, think I'd better stop right here). Anyway, all of this coming from someone you even came down on when I put together a GP two years ago, explaining some list rules I had forgotten. I just got a little excited about car parts, but rules are rules. You do our e36M3 community PROUD !!!! As for Chester, he's part of our e36M3 community. We don't have to agree or disagree with what he or others say concerning various topics, but most of us find some usefulness in the content or find a story just plain funny. I enjoy a good story or two (when on topic). After all, our master story teller, Michael Lord is no longer on this list to lighten our lives with tales from the M3 darkside. Personally, I have quite a few of Chester's emails saved as reference (can you believe that). He's part of our community, a contributor to the cause. If we all lurked and never responded to a single email question or passed along information we had learned, then this list just wouldn't be the great list it is. We're all free to speak and free to criticize, but let's do it right (we all know how to be civil, it's just the opposite of my boss). Well, that's my two cents and then some. BTW, went to the NYC car show yesterday. Like those MBs a lot...just kidding. BMW rules, other cars drool...but then there was that new NSX......, and the new Z.............. Cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 BSP Champion 2001
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#3. question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:37:08 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) Guys, If you had a set of tires with the same compound, what would work best for our cars? a) 245/45/17 - maximum rubber on the ground, but moves center of gravity higher and more sidewall flex b) 235/40/17 - less rubber on the ground, moves center of gravity lower and less sidewall flex (more precise turn-in) For you guys that have figured out what I'm talking about, I currently use (a), these are the Kumho Victoracer700s. But I'm thinking about switching to the Ecsta V700s (b). I know, compound and tread design are not the same, the question is hypothetical. TIA, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 BSP Champion 2001
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#4. Re: LTFT and forced induction - from Mark Kelly
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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 11:17:56 -0500 From: Mark Kelly <mark@garden.net> Subject: Re: LTFT and forced induction Sorry to stray off this topic a bit, but this touches on a topic that I don't quite understand. Why does a 3.0 with centrifugal SC not produce as much torque as the same engine with a turbo charger, even if the max boost is the same (say 8psi). Is it because the SC builds boost with the RPM, reaching max boost were the engine's torque is the lowest, so the overall torque increase is not as high? If an engine produced max torque at say 3000RPM, and a given supercharger was providing 3psi at 3000rpm, it's torque could not be as high as a turbo charger that was delivering 8psi at 3000rpm? If you could set up a turbo charger to build boost like a SC, say reaching 8psi at max RPM, then would the torque curves be the same? Hmmm. How does this work? This has always confused me. Mark 98M3 >Many, many factors play a role as to how sensitive an engine is to >detonation (static compression ratio, air temp, exhaust backpressure, etc.). >Sometimes, you can actually increase the timing as the revs get higher, as >the exhaust back-pressure tends to dilute the A/F mix in the cylinder. This >allows more spark timing to be tolerated. (The added exhaust gasses can also >have the opposite effect of tolerating LESS timing if they're too hot and >increase the in-cylinder temps.) > >Now, you mentioned that our forced induced engines are more susceptible to >knock near redline. That is mostly a function of the tuner's programming and >the type of forced induction. Since a centrifugal SC builds boost with RPMs, >it stands to reason that the cylinder pressure will be higher if the RPM is >higher. Since turbo's build boost earlier in the rev band, they tend to make >their peak cylinder pressure earlier (more like a N/A engine). Then, the >programming plays a role. If the programmer added in extra spark in the >upper revs, then yes, the engine will be more susceptible to detonation up >top. > >Nick
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#5. Re: [E36M3] The end (was: big brake kits) - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:25:03 -0800 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] The end (was: big brake kits) Suzy! Chester! Ben! We ALL love all of you. You are each appreciated in many ways. I even love Dinan! :-) Joe Dyer 95 M3, star of the July 1997 Road & Track ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Kraft" <suekraft@new.rr.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] The end (was: big brake kits) | Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 05:07:20 -0600 | From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> | Subject: Re: [E36M3] The end (was: big brake kits) | | Well Chester, if you really want to feel unappreciated, try running an internet | mailing list for 5 years. I'm either too tough, or not tough enough. You ought to | read my email. I get complaints no matter what I do. I don't think anybody, no | matter how hard they tried, could keep all you people happy. For those that care, | I did send Chester a private email apologizing if I was too hard on him. Chester | never even responded. I can't win. I'm just this mean, nasty person that was | trying to provide a place for the E36 M3 enthusiasts to hang out for the last 5 | years. And what do I get for my efforts? Grief. And someone that is always | pissed at me for not running the list they way they think it should be run. Guess | I'm finally tired of always having people mad at me when all I was ever trying to | do was help out. Life is too short for this. | | Suzy | | Chester Wong wrote: | | > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:30:37 -0800 (PST) | > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> | > Subject: The end (was: big brake kits) | > | > You know, when I saw this last post after I thought the thread died, I knew it | > was time to shut the computer off and do something fun. But it got to me and I | > had to turn it back on and send off one last response to this. | > | > I guess if I wanted to, I could go retrieve the one e-mail that I send off that | > Mr. Tiggersman said I was out of line that started this whole thing. I don't | > recall being so far off base. Perhaps I didn't make absolutely clear that I | > was basing my opinions from driving Wayne's car. As I said before, when Wayne | > first got the brakes, I was very interested as it required absolutely no mods, | > just a straight bolt up. And I was disappointed after driving a car with big | > brakes that the pedal feel was off. In fact, that was probably the first car | > I've driven with big brakes. So I just sat on the sidelines driving around | > with stock brakes and PF90s on the track. | > | > But at the last driver school in October, I thought I lost my brakes a bit and | > upon swapping pads back to stockers, I did! Melted the boots, boiled the | > fluid. So now I was at a fork in the road: rebuild/reuse and perhaps go with | > ducting/etc or look into something different. To me, $300+ for backing plates | > is ludicrous. Replacing duct hoses, etc...no thanks. An opportunity came | > about to get front and rear brakes for a very good price and I jumped on it. | > Installed, bled, rebled...wow...this is great. ...I wonder why Wayne's car | > doesn't feel this good. Since Wayne is a good friend, I wanted to get his car | > just as good because that's what friends do, right? Bled and rebled his | > brakes...still not the "oh my gosh" feel. Ben was good enough to try the car | > out and even said that it didn't feel right. They rebled and things are even | > better. Great. When I found that out, I offered an apology to the list and to | > Ben and Rogue Engineering. | > | > So what's with all this bashing and stuff? Why was Chester pro-UUC and then | > against them? I dunno. Well, I know it came about for a reason, but as time | > goes, you start to forget. And I certainly wanted to forget about this whole | > brake discussion and how stupid it became. | > | > But then I received a pretty nasty e-mail from a list member who participated | > in a group purchase of euro mirrors that I ran a while back. I was reminded of | > my Chester stories and from that, it reminded me why I even joined this list. | > We're all a bunch of car guys/gals. That was why I even shared my stupid | > stories in the past in the first place....like an extended family of sorts that | > I considered friends. I remember Stephen Lafredo saying, "Dude, you do realize | > that people are reading those e-mails, right?" I said, "yah...what do I care? | > They're funny!" If you can't laugh at yourself, then, at least to me, you're | > taking yourself too seriously. All coming from a person who has an agenda? I | > have nothing to hide. | > | > So I was in my car utopia...washing, waxing, polishing...and then I heard | > people talking about short shifters. And remember when I first joined the | > list, I didn't even know how to drive a stick! I think I've gotten better at | > it now. And yah..me losing the brakes (see above) was probably my driving | > technique...over using the brakes, etc. I'll be the first to admit...I'm not | > the fastest guy out there on the track, but I'm learning...and I have much to | > learn. | > | > But that still didn't stop me from getting bitten by the upgrade bug. Short | > shifter? OOOhhh...I *NEED* one of those. Clutch stop? Hell yeah!...smoother | > driving! JimC software! Damn straight! I went along with advice that a lot | > of people suggested. BL/SS, shark software, etc. | > | > Were the products good, bad, worth it, not worth it? *shrug*...dunno...what do | > *you* think of it? And I guess that's what I'm learning now. At least for me, | > I wasn't satisfied when I couldn't shift into reverse or first, or the strut | > brace sat too high up (turns out that the person I sold the brace to has two | > dents in his hood now)...whatever. And that's perfectly fine. Not happy with | > it? You can do whatever you want. | > | > It was what happened behind the scenes that bugged me more than anything else. | > So to the lister who e-mailed me insulting me left and right, let me just say | > that you don't know what happened and unless you've walked in my shoes, you | > can't say anything. That's when it became my mission to "expose the truth". | > But you know, it's not worth it. Why should I have to save you from any grief | > or save you from spending your money? It's your money! | > | > But you know, it's all good. A few things made me realize the significance of | > things--grasping the bigger picture in life, if you will. I had a friend who | > died when I was 19. She was 19 too. Big shocker...and reminded me to cherish | > life. Years go by and you tend to forget. Sept 11th happened and my | > ex-girlfriend was on the 72nd floor of WTC 2. I could only imagine what she | > went through. | > | > You know what? It's only a car....a f*cken car. A piece of machinery with | > four wheels that in our case, handles well, and puts a smile on our faces. All | > this bullsh*t takes the fun out of the hobby, doesn't it? Not worth this crap | > at all. | > | > Quite frankly, I harbor no ill feelings towards Ben Liaw, Rob Levinson or | > anyone else for that matter. I didn't appreciate the way I was treated back | > then, but Rob, through Matt Malfa, once offered to put this all behind us. And | > you know, that's a pretty good idea. If certain business practices remain the | > same, well...don't tell me about it. | > | > Am I in business with Jim El Nabli? We're thinking about it, but we're too | > busy with our regular professional lives to do much about it. To anyone who | > has bought BMW parts from me, I hope I offered some added value and gave you a | > good price and I thank you for your business. We're not out there to gouge | > just trying to build up some R&D money. | > | > With all this said, you guys still want me on the list? It doesn't bother me | > one way or another. You guys lost respect for me? Hope not, but if you did, | > what can I say but, "sorry"? As for me, I'll be having fun with my M3 driving | > around on the track...April 19th, 20th at LRP...here we come! | > | > Best regards, | > Chester | | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. | ************************************************************* | |
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#6. Re: [E36M3] question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:36:25 -0800 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) Bob, I prefer the added acceleration of the 235s, and the cornering forces are not that much less than the wider footprint 245s especially on 7.5 inch stock motorsport rims (95) Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mdriver13@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: [E36M3] question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) | Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:37:08 EST | From: Mdriver13@aol.com | Subject: question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) | | | Guys, | | If you had a set of tires with the same compound, what would work best for | our cars? | | a) 245/45/17 - maximum rubber on the ground, but moves center of gravity | higher and more sidewall flex | b) 235/40/17 - less rubber on the ground, moves center of gravity lower and | less sidewall flex (more precise turn-in) | | For you guys that have figured out what I'm talking about, I currently use | (a), these are the Kumho Victoracer700s. But I'm thinking about switching to | the Ecsta V700s (b). I know, compound and tread design are not the same, the | question is hypothetical. | | TIA, | | Bob Gill | 97 ///M3 coupe | Philly Region SCCA | AS Champion 1997 & 2000 | BSP Champion 2001 | | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. | ************************************************************* | |
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#7. Short Shifters - from Carl Harris Sewell
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:37:53 -0500 From: "Carl Harris Sewell" <jzy308@adelphia.net> Subject: Short Shifters Cheers: I am considering a short shifter for my '98 E36 M3/4, and welcome any comments regarding UUC v. Rogue. Are there any differences? Has anyone experienced both? Who has the best? many thanks Carl Sewell 98 M3/4 CCA #151298
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#8. Polished wheels anyone? - from Chris
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:04:40 -0800 From: "Chris" <ccurry@curry.org> Subject: Polished wheels anyone? Wondering if anyone has a black M3 (95-99) with polished wheels (m contour?) and even better red calipers. If so, would you mind sending a picture? Or, if no one has such a vehicle perhaps you have seen one and have an opinion on it. Thanks, Chris
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#9. HELP! New Suspension Woes - from Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:46:49 -0600 From: "Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR" <Christopher.Darling@scott.af.mil> Subject: HELP! New Suspension Woes Hi everyone, I just finished putting in my new StreetLine suspension, and . . . something is very wrong. Loud clunks going over every bump in the road. I'm 95% sure the culprit is the shock absorbers in the front--I bet those big top nuts aren't seated far enough. But I even used an impact wrench (even though you are not supposed to), and couldn't really get it down very far. Please help me out--what is the technique here?? I've got the deep well socket that fits the nut, but how is the shock shaft prevented from turning??? Any advice on the above, or additional leads would be appreciated! Thanks, Cod Major Chris Darling HQ AMC/CEXR DSN 779-0698, Comm (618) 229-0698
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#10. Koni SA Questions - from Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:51:15 -0600 From: "Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR" <Christopher.Darling@scott.af.mil> Subject: Koni SA Questions Hi everyone, Couple questions concerning Koni SA shocks: 1. How are the front shocks adjusted? Do they have to be "pre-adjusted" in a vise, like the rears? 2. Since I have a little bit of negative camber, the original Koni adjustment knob does not fit--not enough clearance against the opening in the shock tower. Did someone say there is an adapter device available somewhere?? 3. When using the adjustment knob, does the shock have to be somehow forced into full compression in order to make the adjustment? Thanks, Cod Major Chris Darling HQ AMC/CEXR DSN 779-0698, Comm (618) 229-0698