E36M3 #2180

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:55:08

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] Tire Help - from Robert Exconde
#2. Re: plastic thingy - from Neil Maller
#3. Re: Tire Help - from Neil Maller
#4. Adjustable Rear Control Arms - from Dorffer, Rich
#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: plastic thingy - from gerry@parallel-mkt.com
#6. Re: Wheel damaged at Shop - from S Lafredo
#7. Re: plastic thingy - from S Lafredo
#8. Re: Stainless Brake Lines - from S Lafredo
#9. Looking for Eric Silver - from Guillermo Molina
#10. RE: [E36M3] question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) - from Scott McClung

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Tire Help - from Robert Exconde
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:19:23 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde" <99e36m3@exconde.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Tire Help Gerry, The reason Tire Rack said that S03s wont fit is because they require 17x8 as a minimum as stated on the spec page. I took a look at the TR page last night and most if all manufacturers state minimum 8" but everyone I have talked to is doin this 235/40/17 on a 7.5 wheel, so I dont know where the discrepency is. HOWEVER, I have noticed a LOT of people doing this with their wheel setup despite the spec sheet. Anyone notice this? I'm not sure if tire rack will install them if this is the case any one know someone at tire rack that will give me the correct answer (or at least the one I want to hear) Robert

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#2. Re: plastic thingy - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:49:42 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: plastic thingy on 4/9/02 7:35 AM, Mark Greene <gsa@arpinintl.com> wrote: > I thought I had heard someone mention before the plastic > shroud under the front end of the car... It started dragging > on a trip to Boston yesterday and I ended up ripping the > whole thing off.... Is this a necessary part? Thanks, Mark Mark, Welcome to the club, one to which most M3 owners will eventually belong. The shroud (variously also referred to as an air duct, or undertray) serves to manage airflow under the car and to reduce front-end lift at speed. It also seems to keep road crud from being splashed up on to the accessory drive belts. The stock shroud's attachment method is poorly designed, and the thing usually ends up blowing off at speed. This then further damages the attachment points. Like others I've lost more than one of these things. In fact I lost the first one during a test drive of the then newly introduced M3 at a dealer! Several of us have figured out various ways to help make the shroud stay on the car. I have written instructions which I can send you privately if you want them. The work will cost you under $75 in tools and supplies, plus the replacement stock parts and a few hours of your time. I wouldn't bother just reinstalling another stock shroud without modification. You'll just lose it again. Neil 96 M3 - shroud track-tested to 140 mph

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#3. Re: Tire Help - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:53:55 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Tire Help on 4/9/02 7:35 AM, "Robert Exconde" <99e36M3@exconde.com> wrote: > I'm looking to go same size all around instead of the staggered setup. I"m > also looking at the S-03s. I'm looking at 235/40/17s but I have been told that > they wont fit on my front rims since they need an 17x8, I have 7.5 If you use the same size all round on an M3 it is normally 235/40-17. Most 95 M3 cars were delivered this way and used 7.5 inch rims front and rear. Neil 96 M3 - staggered tire sizes

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#4. Adjustable Rear Control Arms - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:12:23 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Adjustable Rear Control Arms It was always my understanding that the lack of a rubber bushing (i.e., spherical bearings, etc.) in certain adjustable rear control arms really did not increase NVH much if any. This understanding is coming from people who have made this change and expected an increase in NVH but noted no material change after they made the modification. So, adjustable rear control arms allowed suspension set-up adjustability and strength without the unwanted suspension changes during aggressive maneuvers. Anyone care to chime in that has direct experience? Later, Rich

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: plastic thingy - from gerry@parallel-mkt.com
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:54:13 EDT From: <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: plastic thingy Neil, My Front Spoiler Under Panel was not attached when my car came out of storage last Friday. I have tried to search the archives for information on the JT-Design aluminum after-market part. Any experience? Gerry > > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Date: 2002/04/09 Tue AM 09:55:04 EDT > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: [E36M3] Re: plastic thingy > > Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:49:42 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: plastic thingy > > on 4/9/02 7:35 AM, Mark Greene <gsa@arpinintl.com> wrote: > > > I thought I had heard someone mention before the plastic > > shroud under the front end of the car... It started dragging > > on a trip to Boston yesterday and I ended up ripping the > > whole thing off.... Is this a necessary part? Thanks, Mark > > Mark, > > Welcome to the club, one to which most M3 owners will eventually belong. > > The shroud (variously also referred to as an air duct, or undertray) serves > to manage airflow under the car and to reduce front-end lift at speed. It > also seems to keep road crud from being splashed up on to the accessory > drive belts. > > The stock shroud's attachment method is poorly designed, and the thing > usually ends up blowing off at speed. This then further damages the > attachment points. > > Like others I've lost more than one of these things. In fact I lost the > first one during a test drive of the then newly introduced M3 at a dealer! > > Several of us have figured out various ways to help make the shroud stay on > the car. I have written instructions which I can send you privately if you > want them. The work will cost you under $75 in tools and supplies, plus the > replacement stock parts and a few hours of your time. > > I wouldn't bother just reinstalling another stock shroud without > modification. You'll just lose it again. > > Neil > 96 M3 - shroud track-tested to 140 mph > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > >

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#6. Re: Wheel damaged at Shop - from S Lafredo
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: S Lafredo <slafredo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Wheel damaged at Shop I recently sold my M3 wheels and needed to have two brand new tires removed from fronts. I thought, I could get it done w/in a few miles from my house but the shop was closed on Saturday. I then drove to my alignment guy, the one w/the proper Hunter equipment, he too was closed. I then proceeded to try EVERY shop in the area, including a Volvo dealer. The Volvo dealer told me they only do there own cars but suggested I try the shop down the road that they use. Well, when I asked to see the machine, I was shock and left. I also visited NTB, Goodyear, etc., one place even sent me to a new Just Tires w/a machine, which I was told could handle run flats. Every single place had a machine that I knew would allow the tech to destroy the wheels. Some still used shovels!! Finally, I called a local BMW dealer who waited for me and removed the tires. Guess what they had, a Hunter. The BMW tech knew how to use the Hunter machine much better than my alignment guy. My alignment guy usually takes 15/tire. The BMW tech had both tires off in half the time and they charged me less! This is what I learned... - Just b/c you bring it to a dealer does not mean they do the work with the proper equipment! - Ask to see the equipment. - Try the dealer first. - You get what you pay for. S --- Noah Weinstein <nzw212@yahoo.com> wrote: > I had the same exact thing happen. If you live in Westchester > county, DO NOT GO TO WELDON TIRES! I came back to pick up my car and > found scratches on three of the four previously pristine wheels. > They basically told me the same thing, you can't prove we did it so > f**k off. I guess all I can really do is let people know to stay > away. > > From: James McKenna <shutupkid@comcast.net> > i recently had the same problem, they where using there old school > tire > mounting machine, i ran to my car to grab my wallet and came back > just as > they finished one wheel, and they left maybe 3 3" long curb rash > looking > marks on the wheel, i was liek "what the!!!!!" and the motherf*ker > said > "why dont you just ask mommy to buy you new rims now" i was > sourrounded by > a bunch of big country rednecks so i couldnt grab the pry bar and pry > his > eyeballs out, and ended up leaving without even a refund.... -james > mckenna > > with one scrached to hell m contour __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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#7. Re: plastic thingy - from S Lafredo
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: S Lafredo <slafredo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: plastic thingy Some people leave it off saying it does nothing. If you choose that route you leave the radiator open to all the crap that _could_ fly up and put a hole in it. S --- Mark Greene <gsa@arpinintl.com> wrote: > I thought I had heard someone mention before the plastic > shroud under the front end of the car... It started dragging > on a trip to Boston yesterday and I ended up ripping the > whole thing off.... Is this a necessary part? Thanks, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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#8. Re: Stainless Brake Lines - from S Lafredo
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: S Lafredo <slafredo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Stainless Brake Lines I also purchased Fischers from UG. They fit perfectly. I even purchased a set for my new car that I plan to install soon as I find the time. Don't forget to buy the proper wrenches. Tip: When you do the rears. Remove the bracket from the body so you have more room to get at the lines. S --- Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> wrote: > I've got a set of Fischer lines on my M3. Fit just fine, got them > from Steve D'G at The Ultimate Garage. > > Jim Bassett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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#9. Looking for Eric Silver - from Guillermo Molina
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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:25:19 -0400 From: "Guillermo Molina" <drwillb@msn.com> Subject: Looking for Eric Silver If any one knows Eric Silver please have him contact me. He is a fellow e36 M3 driver and lives in the SF bay area. Thanks Bill Molina 201-560-1442 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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#10. RE: [E36M3] question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:49:07 -0700 From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) Can you run the 235's all around on a set of stock later staggered 7.5" / 8.5" wheels? Other than no ability to rotate, I would think that would work and be a good balanced set-up for autox use. I know the wheels are slightly heavy, but if you say - have a set laying around collecting dust... Any try this? Scott -----Original Message----- From: Ron Katona To: E36M3 Sent: 4/7/02 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:01:29 -0400 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] question for autox'ers/trackers (tires) Joe Dyer wrote: > I prefer the added acceleration of the 235s, and the cornering forces are > not that much less than the wider footprint 245s especially on 7.5 inch > stock motorsport rims (95) I agree. The old 245/45-17 is too tall and will kill gearing as well as having rubbing issues. The new tires are just better anyway from what I've seen - at least as sticky, lighter, stiffer sidewall. -- Ron Katona ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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