E36M3 #2185

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 18:46:26

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#1. P/Ns for Fuel Pump Connectors? - from Andrew E. Kalman
#2. tire help - from Paul Elliott
#3. RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help - from Jim Bassett
#4. Inlets that replace Fog Lights? - from peter@guagenti.com
#5. RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help - from Scott McClung
#6. tire help - from Paul Elliott
#7. Re: Can anyone balance a tire correctly? - from S Lafredo
#8. Re: tire help - from Neil Maller
#9. Re: [E36M3] Tire Help - from S Lafredo
#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help - from Jim Bassett
#11. Re: tire help - from S Lafredo
#12. RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help - from Scott McClung

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#1. P/Ns for Fuel Pump Connectors? - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:36:26 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: P/Ns for Fuel Pump Connectors? Hi All. Does anyone have the part numbers for the two different types of connectors that hook into the fuel pump on E36s? There's one connector on the fuel pump for the sender, and another similar (but not identical -- it's keyed differently) connector for the sender unit. I think early cars have 2 sender and 2 fuel pump connectors, whereas later cars have 2 fule and 2 sender connectors. I'd like the P/Ns for the housings, the (female) pins inside and any environmental seals, if they are separate P/Ns. Thanks, -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com

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#2. tire help - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:07:11 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: tire help >>I'm looking at 235/40/17s but I have been told that they wont fit on my front rims since they need an 17x8, I have 7.5 << There seems to be a contradiction...We all know that our M3s used to carry the 235s on 7.5" fronts...Yet Tirerack shows that the acceptable rim width for this size is 8 - 9.5"....I know many people have successfully run 235s on 7.5" rims...It might not be the 'ideal' combination, but I'm sure you could run them. If you dont want to go that route, and you still want to run teh same size at all corners, then your only other option is 225x45-17, as thats size IS listed as acceptable for both your front and rear rims....Personally if I were you, Id go with the 235s. Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 40K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Rotex pads;X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio

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#3. RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:09:01 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help At 03:45 PM 4/9/02, Scott McClung wrote: >Question on the 245's up front on 8.5" rims, >do you need to run a 10mm or so spacer with that >set-up? And if so, are the stock wheel studs long enough? With stock suspension and stock wheel offset (41mm), you do NOT need spacers on the front. Even with added neg camber you're OK (I had the bearing hats swapped for a while). There is plenty of fender clearance, the main issue is strut tube clearance. 8.5" wheels with 41mm offset work just fine. However, some tires may *slightly* polish the tube, due to the rim protector portion of the tire. I've had 8.5" wheels (stock M Contours) all around for nearly 3 years, no problems. Three sets of tires: Pilot Sports, AVS Sports, and current SO-3s. The AVS Sports seemed to have the biggest rim protector, and did a nice job of keeping a few mm's of the strut tube cleaned and polished <g>. And you can check the clearance yourself; just swap the wheels F<->R. If you decide to do a test drive in this configuration (not entirely necessary), be careful. You'll experience a bit of oversteer; BTDT <g>. Hope that helps, Jim Bassett

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#4. Inlets that replace Fog Lights? - from peter@guagenti.com
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:06:20 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Inlets that replace Fog Lights? Anyone knows who sells the brake duct inlets that replace the foglights? As I kep breaking fog lights anyway, I'm looking to install them on my '95 to route brake ducting. As an aside, I've taken the advice of a fellow lister and I'm looking into running brake ducting for a while before I take the jump to big brakes. Figure it would still be useful even if I go to big brakes, so it's a good investment. Sorry I started all of the controversy by even bringing it up... -peterg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com

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#5. RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:09:49 -0700 From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help Does anyone have a good source for new M-contour or M-forged wheels in a 17x8.5" size? Without bending over and opening up the wallet too wide?? ;-) Or a good aftermarket wheel available in that size, preferably sub $500 each.... Scott -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jimbassett@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 4:09 PM To: Scott McClung; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help At 03:45 PM 4/9/02, Scott McClung wrote: >Question on the 245's up front on 8.5" rims, >do you need to run a 10mm or so spacer with that >set-up? And if so, are the stock wheel studs long enough? With stock suspension and stock wheel offset (41mm), you do NOT need spacers on the front. Even with added neg camber you're OK (I had the bearing hats swapped for a while). There is plenty of fender clearance, the main issue is strut tube clearance. 8.5" wheels with 41mm offset work just fine. However, some tires may *slightly* polish the tube, due to the rim protector portion of the tire. I've had 8.5" wheels (stock M Contours) all around for nearly 3 years, no problems. Three sets of tires: Pilot Sports, AVS Sports, and current SO-3s. The AVS Sports seemed to have the biggest rim protector, and did a nice job of keeping a few mm's of the strut tube cleaned and polished <g>. And you can check the clearance yourself; just swap the wheels F<->R. If you decide to do a test drive in this configuration (not entirely necessary), be careful. You'll experience a bit of oversteer; BTDT <g>. Hope that helps, Jim Bassett

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#6. tire help - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:21:07 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: tire help >>If you use the same size all round on an M3 it is normally 235/40-17. Most 95 M3 cars were delivered this way and used 7.5 inch rims front and rear<< Actually, I believe the 'normal' '95s were delivered with 8" wheels and 235s all around. It was the Lightweights which came with 7.5" rims, but that was only up front, as it used the stagger in wheel size, but with 235s at all corners. Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 45K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio

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#7. Re: Can anyone balance a tire correctly? - from S Lafredo
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:21:59 -0400 From: S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> Subject: Re: Can anyone balance a tire correctly? I had purchase brand new tires to put on the M. While having the fronts installed, my alignment guy showed me how the tire was just barely out of specification. He said he could leave it installed but that it really was a marginal tire. As a point of reference, if a tire is good it would be a 1 out of 10, this tire was an 11. He recommend that I call Tirerack and request a new tire. Using the information from the GSP-9700 Tirerack, instantly agreed to have the old tire picked up and a replacement sent out. On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 04:55 PM, Robert S. Hatrak II wrote: > So I got some new tires a couple of weeks ago. Since then I have been > back to the same shop no less than three times trying to get the tires > balanced correctly. The old tires were balanced perfectly, so I know > the problem isn't the car or the wheels. The GSP-9700 can tell you if the wheel, tire or both are out of wack. > The place is Discount Tire, and they charged me $60 to balance > the tires > the first time on their fancy Hunter gsp-9700 that everyone has raved > about. It did the "road force" balance. That was the first try, > and it > caused my steering wheel to bounce all over the place. On the second > two tries they used a normal Hunter machine, as they claim that tires > need only be "road forced" once after being installed onto a rim. Is > this correct? Did you buy the tires from Discount Tire? Maybe the guys decided that an "11" tire was fine and you would never be able to tell? After all he is an interested party, correct? > Each time they said the wheels were "slightly out" and made "the fix" > that will "do it this time." ARGH!!! I'm about to find another shop > and have them do it, at my cost. Is this really rocket science? > Anyone > have any tips or suggestions? No, make them show you what the problem is and how "close" they can make the two (tire and wheel) balance. HTH. S

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#8. Re: tire help - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:29:19 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: tire help on 4/9/02 6:21 PM, Paul Elliott at elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Actually, I believe the 'normal' '95s were delivered with 8" wheels and 235s > all around. It was the Lightweights which came with 7.5" rims, but that was > only up front, as it used the stagger in wheel size, but with 235s at all > corners. Nope. 'Normal' 95 M3s came with 7.5" rims and 235/40-17 tires all round. It's always been a point of discussion that the 7.5" rim size was nominally too narrow for the tires provided. BMW doesn't seem to like integer number rim widths. Neil 96 M3

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Tire Help - from S Lafredo
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:35:16 -0400 From: S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Tire Help On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 06:45 PM, George R Carr Jr wrote: > It's more expensive but I'd recommend that you replace your front > wheels > with 8.5's and go with 245/40-17 all around in your effort to > eliminate your > staggered setup. Why not just go 235/40 x 17 on BMW M 7.5 wheels or some other manufactures 8.0 wheels. Wouldn't you accomplish the same thing? Decreased under steer? This is what I have seen from the list... BMW M 8.5 wheels with 245/40 x 17 - benefits (not proven?) - increase contact patch - decrease under steer - disadvantages - possible rubbing depending on tire brand - possible need for spacers BMW M 7.5 wheels with 235/40 x 17 - benefits - decrease under steer - disadvantages - increased chance of bending a rim due to low profile What I have not seen anyone post about is BMW M 7.5 wheels with 235/45 x 17. Maybe the best of both worlds? Also a friend once measured the inside of the BMW M 7.5 wheels and found the width to be 8.0 inches. > As it happens, the S-03 (per TireRack) does not seem to be > available in a Z rating at that size so looking at a close size > is needed > unless you are willing to go with the Y rating. The 235/40-17 is > also only > available in Y rating. Acutally, Y and W tires are rated for higher speeds than Z. Guess thats what happens when you pick the last letter of your rating system and then improve the product :) http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/general/speed.htm HTH. S

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:37:30 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help At 04:15 PM 4/9/02, Scott McClung wrote: >Does anyone have a good source for new >M-contour or M-forged wheels in a 17x8.5" size? >Without bending over and opening up the >wallet too wide?? ;-) > >Or a good aftermarket wheel available in that >size, preferably sub $500 each.... Well, if you're looking in that price range, you can get new M Contour from the dealer for ~$400 (with CCA discount). Granted, this was a couple of years ago, and in the SF Bay Area (where everything seems to have an automatic 50% mark-up :-)), so YMMV. Jim Bassett

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#11. Re: tire help - from S Lafredo
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:39:13 -0400 From: S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> Subject: Re: tire help I have all of the BMW wheel catalogs back to 1996, not 1995, so I could be wrong, but in none of my catalogs where there any BMW M wheels w/8.0 widths listed. On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 07:25 PM, Paul Elliott wrote: > Actually, I believe the 'normal' '95s were delivered with 8" > wheels and 235s > all around.

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#12. RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:42:15 -0700 From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help What dealer? I'm in the SF Bay area too. What about M-forged wheels, do those come in 8.5" widths? Any idea what prices? I'm not opposed to ordering mail order from a dealer - in some ways I prefer it. Normally the shipping is less than tax would have been. I get most of my Chevy parts from OK, or NB (forget which).... Scott -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jimbassett@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 4:38 PM To: Scott McClung; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Re: Tire Help At 04:15 PM 4/9/02, Scott McClung wrote: >Does anyone have a good source for new >M-contour or M-forged wheels in a 17x8.5" size? >Without bending over and opening up the >wallet too wide?? ;-) > >Or a good aftermarket wheel available in that >size, preferably sub $500 each.... Well, if you're looking in that price range, you can get new M Contour from the dealer for ~$400 (with CCA discount). Granted, this was a couple of years ago, and in the SF Bay Area (where everything seems to have an automatic 50% mark-up :-)), so YMMV. Jim Bassett

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