E36M3 #2201

Friday, April 12, 2002 14:28:37

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Driving suits - from jsofro
#2. 95 M3 Alignment - from Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR
#3. Re: [E36M3] Part #'s for E46 RSM's and Z3 plate... - from Jake Tiggersman
#4. Re: [E36M3] NO AC - from peter@guagenti.com
#5. RE: 17x9 rims with 235s - from Mike Frank
#6. RE: [E36M3] Driving suits - from Scott McClung
#7. RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from Robert S. Hatrak II
#8. Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from Rich Beebe
#9. RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR
#10. Re: No AC - from shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Driving suits - from jsofro
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:04:02 -0700 From: "jsofro" <jsofro@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Driving suits Many of us that run in the Grand Am Cup series or World Challenge series = wear Sparco suits. At the GAC Fontana race, I would say that over 50% of the drivers wear = Sparco. They now make the lightest 3 piece suit in the world.......I love it. What's your life worth??? James ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Radelow=20 To: E36M3=20 Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Driving suits Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:49:38 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Driving suits The difference is the quality of the material (Proban vs. Nomex vs. = Nomex=20 III) and construction. The more expensive suits will last longer, fit = better, be more comfortable and be cooler. I have a Sparco Sponsor = suit. =20 In comparison the G-Force, Simpson, etc. suits are MUCH hotter and = less=20 comfortable (IMHO). The way I see it is, it's your life. Why mess = with it.=20 If the better suit offers 1-3 seconds more of time you won't burn = that's=20 worth it. As a counterpoint, many racers on the Grand-Am Circuit wear the = cheaper=20 suits... Mark From: Jeff Stowe <jrstowe@pacbell.net> Reply-To: Jeff Stowe <jrstowe@pacbell.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: [E36M3] Driving suits Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:17:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:14:22 -0700 From: Jeff Stowe <jrstowe@pacbell.net> Subject: Driving suits I am preparing to purchase a driving suit and I am looking for any = insights from the list on specifics things to look for or be wary of. Is there really much difference (from a safety standpoint) between a = $300 suit and a $700 suit if both are rated SFI3.2a/5? Can two different = suits have the same rating and have a different number of layers? Does = anyone know of a resource which discusses suit construction and safety where I = might educate myself? oh yeah, what is the required minium rating for CCA Club Racing or = Endurance Pit crew? as always, thanks for all the help! Jeff "help me I'm slipping!" ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing = list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:=20 http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing = list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the=20 subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#2. 95 M3 Alignment - from Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:08:18 -0500 From: "Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR" <Christopher.Darling@scott.af.mil> Subject: 95 M3 Alignment Ok, I just got my car aligned at the dealer after my StreetLine installation. Something weird here. Here's the report just I got back from the cosmic new alignment machine they got last month. Rear: Right toe: .26 inch in Left toe: .25 inch in Total toe: .50 inch in Right camber: -1.9 degrees Left camber: - 2.2 degrees Front: Right toe: .01 inch in Left toe: .01 inch in Total toe: .01 inch in Right camber: -1.5 degrees Left camber: +1.2 degrees (!!) WTF? Everything looks reasonable to me except front camber. I couldn't believe the number he was showing for the left front. Visually, the left front "looks" like it has slight negative camber, and it "looks" symmetrical to the right side. FYI, I installed the 96+ strut hats on the "wrong" sides, so right side camber was what I expected to see. Also, I told them I wanted as much negative rear camber as I could get with the adjustment bolts and he said that's what he did. Don't understand why the measurements would be different from right rear to left rear, but he said, "that's how it turns out sometimes." Comments? Cod Major Chris Darling HQ AMC/CEXR DSN 779-0698, Comm (618) 229-0698

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Part #'s for E46 RSM's and Z3 plate... - from Jake Tiggersman
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Tiggersman <jtigole@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Part #'s for E46 RSM's and Z3 plate... Thanks Chester...was planning on doing both sides. This is a nice upgrade when you are already in there doing suspesion anyway. --- Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > 33-52-6-754-096 E46M3 RSM > 33-52-1-128-734 Gasket > 31-33-1-092-887 Self locking hex nut (2) > 33-52-1-137-360 Self locking hex nut (1) > 51-71-8-413-359 Z3 reinforcement plate > > This is for one side, multiply by 2 if you want to > do both sides (which is what > you should probably do anyway). > > Chester > > --- Jake Tiggersman <jtigole@yahoo.com> wrote: > > One of my oem rsm's just went and I need to > replace > > both... > > > > Does anyone have the correct part #'s for the E46 > > RSM's and the corresponding Z3 plate? > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ===== Jake Tiggersman 95 M3 UUC Comp Evo SS ECIS BBK AA Gen III Exhaust __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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#4. Re: [E36M3] NO AC - from peter@guagenti.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:39:39 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] NO AC > Also, you & I may be M3 fanatics, and know all there is to know about the > various production differences, but the parts guy (or gal) has the whole > range to deal with, and frankly I don't expect them to know all the details > about my model that I do. As an interesting aside, many of them aren't even into BMWs at all, but they have an absurd amount of knowledge about other cars. I've known BMW parts guys who were air-cooled VW fanatics, italian motorcycle afficionados, and even one service/parts guy who was into classic muscle cars on the side. All of them probably knew as much about those vehicles as we do about ///M's. Just remember -- to some folks this is just a job, and not all bimmer owners are as friendly, mechanically-inclinced, or as patient as we are. ;-) -peterg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com

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#5. RE: 17x9 rims with 235s - from Mike Frank
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:47:46 -0500 From: Mike Frank <mfrank28@comcast.net> Subject: RE: 17x9 rims with 235s Rich, I just mounted a set of these the other day on some 17x8 RKs. I had hoped that the 235/40s would be wider than the 225/45 Kumhos used in the past. Nope. They fit good on an 8" rim, possibly even a little narrow. Size/fit looks identical to the old 225s, with a more square shoulder. They definitely don't run wide like most R-compounds. I was replacing some worn (read corded) 245/40 Hoosiers. The Kumhos looked wimpy compared to the Hoosiers - approximately 1" narrower and noticeably shorter (smaller diameter), remember worn Hoosiers, new shaved Kumhos. The Hoosiers really would be happier on an 8.5 or 9 inch rim. So, from my experience, I personally wouldn't put the 235s on a 9" rim. Serious stretch. In fact, I would put a 245/40 on an 8" rim if they offered it, maybe even a 255. Too bad they don't offer a 255. HTH, Mike Frank 97M3 -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:57:38 -0400 From: Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> Subject: 17x9 rims with 235s Has anybody here ever run a 235/40 tire on a 9" rim before. i want/plan to run the kumho V700s for autoxing and the only tire available, that will fit, is the 235/40-17 right now. i talked to tirerack already, as their site listed 8-9.5" as the rim width range, and they say the 235 will fit fine (although not the optimum width). i know it's a stretch, so I'm hoping I can find someone who has run the combination and had no problems. Thanks. Rich

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#6. RE: [E36M3] Driving suits - from Scott McClung
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:46:48 -0700 From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Driving suits More expensive generally = - more comfy - cooler For the same protection ratings. I have a $700-ish Momo and just love it. If you are going to use it much, get a good one and make sure it fits you well. Scott '91 Corvette - track rat / street car still looking for an M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Stowe [mailto:jrstowe@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:18 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Driving suits Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:14:22 -0700 From: Jeff Stowe <jrstowe@pacbell.net> Subject: Driving suits I am preparing to purchase a driving suit and I am looking for any insights from the list on specifics things to look for or be wary of. Is there really much difference (from a safety standpoint) between a $300 suit and a $700 suit if both are rated SFI3.2a/5? Can two different suits have the same rating and have a different number of layers? Does anyone know of a resource which discusses suit construction and safety where I might educate myself? oh yeah, what is the required minium rating for CCA Club Racing or Endurance Pit crew? as always, thanks for all the help! Jeff "help me I'm slipping!" ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#7. RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from Robert S. Hatrak II
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:51:49 -0700 From: "Robert S. Hatrak II" <hatrak@ix.netcom.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment Chris, Were you sitting in the driver's seat while the car was being aligned? When I get mine done, I do it with a half tank of gas and me in the driver's seat. This won't make the major front camber issue you are seeing go away, but it has been shown to me to make a difference in how it comes out in the end. Are the results repeatable? Maybe something went wrong with the way the car was put on the rack? Is there a chance that some part of the suspension didn't "seat" properly upon installation? Rob

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#8. Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from Rich Beebe
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:54:51 -0400 From: Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment i would have thought that swapping the 96+ hats would have produced more than 1.5 degrees negative camber also. i plan on doing this same job tomorrow and i'm wondering if using H&R sports, as opposed to the OEs in the streetline set, will produced a noticeable amount more negative camber. does any one know how much camber one can expect in the front with the 'wrong side' hats and H&R sport springs/konis? as for your front, know anybody with a camber gauge? if not, you should be able to tell, on a flat surface, if the car actually has positive camber. i know it was generated from a computer, but any chance it's a misprint/incorrect? rich From: "Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR" <Christopher.Darling@scott.af.mil> > Ok, I just got my car aligned at the dealer after my StreetLine installation. > Front: > Right toe: .01 inch in > Left toe: .01 inch in > Total toe: .01 inch in > Right camber: -1.5 degrees > Left camber: +1.2 degrees (!!) > > WTF? Everything looks reasonable to me except front camber. I couldn't > believe the number he was showing for the left front. Visually, the left > front "looks" like it has slight negative camber, and it "looks" symmetrical > to the right side. FYI, I installed the 96+ strut hats on the "wrong" sides, > so right side camber was what I expected to see. Also, I told them I wanted > as much negative rear camber as I could get with the adjustment bolts and he > said that's what he did. Don't understand why the measurements would be > different from right rear to left rear, but he said, "that's how it turns out > sometimes." > > Comments? > > Cod > Major Chris Darling > HQ AMC/CEXR > DSN 779-0698, Comm (618) 229-0698

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#9. RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:00:59 -0500 From: "Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR" <Christopher.Darling@scott.af.mil> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment The alignment was supposedly done with sandbags in the car. I did not personally witness it. The tech suggested I didn't seat something properly in the installation. I doubt that, because I was specifically watching out for that. In fact for the strut in question, I even installed it two times, because I noticed as I was bolting it up that the spring had shifted on the pad. I'm wondering if the measuring device for the alignment was put on correctly for that wheel. I mean, it LOOKS like it has exactly the same negative camber as the other side--and certainly not positive camber. Plus the car tracks perfectly straight on the highway, and the steering wheel is straight. If not for the numbers on the print out, every OTHER indication is that everything is fine . . . Cod Major Chris Darling HQ AMC/CEXR DSN 779-0698, Comm (618) 229-0698 -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Hatrak II [mailto:hatrak@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:52 PM To: Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR; 'E36M3' Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment Chris, Were you sitting in the driver's seat while the car was being aligned? When I get mine done, I do it with a half tank of gas and me in the driver's seat. This won't make the major front camber issue you are seeing go away, but it has been shown to me to make a difference in how it comes out in the end. Are the results repeatable? Maybe something went wrong with the way the car was put on the rack? Is there a chance that some part of the suspension didn't "seat" properly upon installation? Rob

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#10. Re: No AC - from shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:20:21 -0400 From: shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com Subject: Re: No AC >Instead of getting pissed, try to help them out and maybe teach them a >little bit. They might actually be interested in learning from an >enthusiast (there's been several times I've had the parts person swivel the >computer screen around so we can locate the part together). Seriously, just give them the last 7 digits of the VIN and they can punch that in instead of asking all the other questions. Shane This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.

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