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#1. RE: [E36M3] NO AC - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:31:51 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] NO AC Hey if they actually paid those BMW "parts guys" some reasonable salary, maybe they would be into BMW's. Sounds like a great job to me, to help out you guys look for the obscure parts you want, but I couldn't afford to live on what they pay those guys. Mel -----Original Message----- From: peter@guagenti.com [mailto:peter@guagenti.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:48 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] NO AC Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:39:39 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] NO AC > Also, you & I may be M3 fanatics, and know all there is to know about the > various production differences, but the parts guy (or gal) has the whole > range to deal with, and frankly I don't expect them to know all the details > about my model that I do. As an interesting aside, many of them aren't even into BMWs at all, but they have an absurd amount of knowledge about other cars. I've known BMW parts guys who were air-cooled VW fanatics, italian motorcycle afficionados, and even one service/parts guy who was into classic muscle cars on the side. All of them probably knew as much about those vehicles as we do about ///M's. Just remember -- to some folks this is just a job, and not all bimmer owners are as friendly, mechanically-inclinced, or as patient as we are. ;-) -peterg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#2. RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:35:18 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment Try using a bubble level across the top and bottom of the rim lip. If the car is on a level surface and the bubble goes the "wrong way" you know the "+" part is accurate. Mel -----Original Message----- From: Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR [mailto:Christopher.Darling@scott.af.mil] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:08 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:00:59 -0500 From: "Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR" <Christopher.Darling@scott.af.mil> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment The alignment was supposedly done with sandbags in the car. I did not personally witness it. The tech suggested I didn't seat something properly in the installation. I doubt that, because I was specifically watching out for that. In fact for the strut in question, I even installed it two times, because I noticed as I was bolting it up that the spring had shifted on the pad. I'm wondering if the measuring device for the alignment was put on correctly for that wheel. I mean, it LOOKS like it has exactly the same negative camber as the other side--and certainly not positive camber. Plus the car tracks perfectly straight on the highway, and the steering wheel is straight. If not for the numbers on the print out, every OTHER indication is that everything is fine . . . Cod Major Chris Darling HQ AMC/CEXR DSN 779-0698, Comm (618) 229-0698 -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Hatrak II [mailto:hatrak@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:52 PM To: Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR; 'E36M3' Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment Chris, Were you sitting in the driver's seat while the car was being aligned? When I get mine done, I do it with a half tank of gas and me in the driver's seat. This won't make the major front camber issue you are seeing go away, but it has been shown to me to make a difference in how it comes out in the end. Are the results repeatable? Maybe something went wrong with the way the car was put on the rack? Is there a chance that some part of the suspension didn't "seat" properly upon installation? Rob ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#3. Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment a couple ideas i had here (no special tools needed): with the car on a flat (doesn't need to be perfectly level) surface, have two friends hold a 2' square piece of plywood next to the front wheels, so from the front of the car you see the face of each piece of wood. that will give a good visual measure of camber. i guess another thing you could do is to tie a plumb bob (or other narrow, heavy thing) to a string and suspend it from the top of the rim. that will also give a good visual check of the camber. you would need to do this on a level surface. my guess is the thing that measured your wheel's camber was upside down, since the car drives OK and the numbers are close, aside from the +/- sign. zs --- Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:54:51 -0400 > From: Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment > > i would have thought that swapping the 96+ hats > would have produced > more than 1.5 degrees negative camber also. i plan > on doing this > same job tomorrow and i'm wondering if using H&R > sports, as opposed > to the OEs in the streetline set, will produced a > noticeable amount > more negative camber. does any one know how much > camber one can expect > in the front with the 'wrong side' hats and H&R > sport springs/konis? > > as for your front, know anybody with a camber gauge? > if not, you > should be able to tell, on a flat surface, if the > car actually has > positive camber. i know it was generated from a > computer, but any > chance it's a misprint/incorrect? > > rich > > From: "Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR" > <Christopher.Darling@scott.af.mil> > > > Ok, I just got my car aligned at the dealer after > my StreetLine installation. > > > Front: > > Right toe: .01 inch in > > Left toe: .01 inch in > > Total toe: .01 inch in > > Right camber: -1.5 degrees > > Left camber: +1.2 degrees (!!) > > > > WTF? Everything looks reasonable to me except > front camber. I couldn't > > believe the number he was showing for the left > front. Visually, the left > > front "looks" like it has slight negative camber, > and it "looks" symmetrical > > to the right side. FYI, I installed the 96+ strut > hats on the "wrong" sides, > > so right side camber was what I expected to see. > Also, I told them I wanted > > as much negative rear camber as I could get with > the adjustment bolts and he > > said that's what he did. Don't understand why the > measurements would be > > different from right rear to left rear, but he > said, "that's how it turns out > > sometimes." > > > > Comments? > > > > Cod > > Major Chris Darling > > HQ AMC/CEXR > > DSN 779-0698, Comm (618) 229-0698 > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] RE: 17x9 rims with 235s - from peter@guagenti.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:25:40 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 17x9 rims with 235s > I just mounted a set of these the other day on some 17x8 RKs. I had > hoped that the 235/40s would be wider than the 225/45 Kumhos used > in the past. What you're seeing is the difference in how people measure their tire. I've learned to read the section width and other width numbers first, "size" second. For example: 245/40-17 S-03's are actually about 1/4 inch wider than the RE730's. Same manufacturer, same size, one offers superior handling, and it does it by beign a wider tire. Hoosiers are big. The general wisdom is that the 225/45 Hoosier is really a 235/40. The 245/40 Hoosier is really a 255/40. I've had the 245/40 Hoosier and 255/40 kumho side by side, one coming off and one going on my rims, and they were the same size. The 235/40 Kumho may actually be a real 235/40. I wonder what it would look like next to a 235/40 Yoko? -p ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com
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#5. RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:35:58 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment "Robert S. Hatrak II" <hatrak@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Chris, > > Were you sitting in the driver's seat while the car was being aligned? > When I get mine done, I do it with a half tank of gas and me in the > driver's seat. This won't make the major front camber issue you are > seeing go away, but it has been shown to me to make a difference in how > it comes out in the end. Chris/Rob, I've experimented with getting in and out of the car during allignment and the value most effected by my 200lb in the driver's seat was passenger side (right) camber. Depositing extra weight into the driver seat would increase the negative camber of the front passenger side by about -0.2 degrees. Just a data point. YMMV. > Are the results repeatable? Most suspension shops will testify that just rolling the car on and off the alignment rack will effect the alignment values somewhat. Not tremendously, but you would still want to quantify your request for repeatable readings to somewhere within a few tens of a degree. The older the suspension bushings, the more variance one should expect between alignment measurements. > Maybe something went wrong with the way the > car was put on the rack? Is there a chance that some part of the > suspension didn't "seat" properly upon installation? If Chris's front camber was that much out of whack, he would have noticed it a long ago. It's pretty obvious to a naked eye when a wheel has either positive or negative camber. Not to mention that the car would be pulling to one side and eating the front right tire. Chances are we are looking at either a typo, miscalibrated alignment rack or poorly installed sensor on the left front wheel. alex f > Rob > > From: "Darling Christopher Maj AMC/CEXR" <Christopher.Darling@scott.af.mil> > > Ok, I just got my car aligned at the dealer after my StreetLine installation. > > Front: > > Right toe: .01 inch in > > Left toe: .01 inch in > > Total toe: .01 inch in > > Right camber: -1.5 degrees > > Left camber: +1.2 degrees (!!) > > > > WTF? Everything looks reasonable to me except front camber.
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: No AC - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:44:45 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: No AC At 12:27 PM 4/12/02, shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com wrote: >Seriously, just give them the last 7 digits of the VIN and they can punch >that in instead of asking all the other questions. Hmm, hadn't thought of that. I'll have to try it next time. Thanks Shane. Jim Bassett
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#7. RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment - from Chuck Hanson
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:07:32 -0600 From: Chuck Hanson <chuckh@dpsabq.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 Alignment Okay, I give. Will someone please explain to an E36 Newbie just what "swapping the 96+ hats" means and whay does it give negative camber? Any problems with doing it? Chuck Hanson 97 M3/4
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Driving suits - from Michael
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:09:43 -0400 From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Driving suits Jeff, it is all about looking cool. Ever notice the idiots that wear driver suits to a driver school? it is almost always the top of the line suit like a Stand 21 or Sparco. Hahha, actually, the big difference is in comfort and looks, of course. I have a cheaper suit that feels like 8 layers of thermal underwear compared to a comfy sparco. Pros of a expensive suit Usually a better fit or the ability to have it custom fitted for comfort Light compared to the thicker cheaper suits Looks better. Would you rather be seen in a well fitted suit or a suit that looked like it was made for someone 30lbs bigger than you etc. Dont know about the fire protection, I think you would need to just compare ratings and see if the manufactor did any testing to say if they offer longer fire protection. Cons Cost more, lol with a cheaper suit, you are not quite as worried about the grease stain on the knee or the grass marks on your ass when you crawl out of the flipped car as you would be with a $800 suit, lol. My advice to a rookie or beginner, is to buy two suits. Check your budget, buy the best you can afford(that applies to everything in life) and remember, you probably will be replacing the suit after 2-4 years anyway. seems I was really tough on my suit during my rookie year racing. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Stowe" <jrstowe@pacbell.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: [E36M3] Driving suits > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:14:22 -0700 > From: Jeff Stowe <jrstowe@pacbell.net> > Subject: Driving suits > > I am preparing to purchase a driving suit and I am looking for any insights > from the list on specifics things to look for or be wary of. > Is there really much difference (from a safety standpoint) between a $300 > suit and a $700 suit if both are rated SFI3.2a/5? Can two different suits > have the same rating and have a different number of layers? Does anyone know > of a resource which discusses suit construction and safety where I might > educate myself? > > oh yeah, what is the required minium rating for CCA Club Racing or Endurance > Pit crew? > > as always, thanks for all the help! > > Jeff > "help me I'm slipping!" > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#9. Re:Driving suits - from D Snyder
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:05:40 -0700 From: "D Snyder" <m3ltw@msn.com> Subject: Re:Driving suits > From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> > > The difference is the quality of the material (Proban vs. Nomex vs. Nomex > III) and construction. The more expensive suits will last longer, fit > better, be more comfortable and be cooler. I have a Sparco Sponsor suit. > In comparison the G-Force, Simpson, etc. suits are MUCH hotter and less > comfortable (IMHO). The way I see it is, it's your life. Why mess with it. > If the better suit offers 1-3 seconds more of time you won't burn that's > worth it. > > As a counterpoint, many racers on the Grand-Am Circuit wear the cheaper > suits... The big differences are layers, material, construction (liners, collar, etc), design, quilting/stitching (patterns, etc), fit, etc. I believe the 3 layer suits pretty much automatically pass most rule books (NHRA has its own levels-since fire is more common), while 2 layer has to be certified (or you wear underwear). Fit should be your first criteria (make sure you can sit with your arms outstretched). (safety is not a criteria, but a given). Make sure that your ankles/wrists are covered. I have a Sparco Sponsor (as well) and really like it. Not too hot, very comfortable (soft) and stretches/fits in the right areas. Also, it's important to keep your suit clean, as oils/dirt can reduce the effectiveness of the suit (passing more heat through the suit). Just remember, each SFI level (spec. 3-2A) equates to JUST A FEW SECONDS OF PROTECTION: Grade Time 3-2A/1 3 sec 3-2A/5 10 sec 3-2A/10 19 sec 3-2A/15 30 sec 3-2A/20 40 sec Dan
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re:Driving suits - from Scott McClung
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:27:13 -0700 From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re:Driving suits BTW - how do you clean a suit? Does dry cleaning damage the integrity of the suit? Scott -----Original Message----- From: D Snyder [mailto:m3ltw@msn.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:18 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re:Driving suits Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:05:40 -0700 From: "D Snyder" <m3ltw@msn.com> Subject: Re:Driving suits > From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> > > The difference is the quality of the material (Proban vs. Nomex vs. Nomex > III) and construction. The more expensive suits will last longer, fit > better, be more comfortable and be cooler. I have a Sparco Sponsor suit. > In comparison the G-Force, Simpson, etc. suits are MUCH hotter and less > comfortable (IMHO). The way I see it is, it's your life. Why mess with it. > If the better suit offers 1-3 seconds more of time you won't burn that's > worth it. > > As a counterpoint, many racers on the Grand-Am Circuit wear the cheaper > suits... The big differences are layers, material, construction (liners, collar, etc), design, quilting/stitching (patterns, etc), fit, etc. I believe the 3 layer suits pretty much automatically pass most rule books (NHRA has its own levels-since fire is more common), while 2 layer has to be certified (or you wear underwear). Fit should be your first criteria (make sure you can sit with your arms outstretched). (safety is not a criteria, but a given). Make sure that your ankles/wrists are covered. I have a Sparco Sponsor (as well) and really like it. Not too hot, very comfortable (soft) and stretches/fits in the right areas. Also, it's important to keep your suit clean, as oils/dirt can reduce the effectiveness of the suit (passing more heat through the suit). Just remember, each SFI level (spec. 3-2A) equates to JUST A FEW SECONDS OF PROTECTION: Grade Time 3-2A/1 3 sec 3-2A/5 10 sec 3-2A/10 19 sec 3-2A/15 30 sec 3-2A/20 40 sec Dan ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************