E36M3 #2234

Tuesday, April 23, 2002 19:15:48

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. wheel weights - from Gary A. Preece
#2. Re: [E36M3] Weekend report :) (GC coilover review, other stuff)...LONG - from Chester Wong
#3. Re: [E36M3] Weekend report :) (GC coilover review, other stuff)...LONG - from nabli@earthlink.net
#4. Re: [E36M3] LTW Interior Info Request - from Alan Taur
#5. Re: fade side moldings & masking tape - from Paul Elliott
#6. HK sound system option - from Mike Kanaly
#7. Replaced That Ugly Slat Grill - from Jay Kenty
#8. Rich Dorffer and LTW interior - from Marc.S.Edwards@QuestDiagnostics.com
#9. LTW splitter with paint chips gone - from Marc.S.Edwards@QuestDiagnostics.com
#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: fade side moldings & masking tape - from Chris Papademetrious

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#1. wheel weights - from Gary A. Preece
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:39:27 -0400 From: "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> Subject: wheel weights I have torn off wheel weights by not using a guide rod when dismounting them. The wheel scrapes on the rotor cover and pulls it right off. Now I use the guide from the Ultimate Garage to keep this from happening. You should just lift a little at the end so as not to run over the knurling. Works much better than the one in the tool kit. I am heading to Home Depot (yes we have those in KY!) to get some metal tape for the new wheels coming from the Tire Rack tomorrow. Maybe I will get lucky and get some that are almost perfectly balanced and NOT require tons of weights to get them balanced. I got the Mille Miglia MM 11-2's. Enjoy the ride. Gary Preece

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Weekend report :) (GC coilover review, other stuff)...LONG - from Chester Wong
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:40:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Weekend report :) (GC coilover review, other stuff)...LONG > Chester, > I hate to contradict Jay, but stock springs are most obviously progressive. > Both in coil diameter and the winding radius (aka barrel shaped). I beg to differ over on this point. Yes, stock rear springs are barrel shaped, but....the coil gets smaller in diameter and there's a certain amount of the spring that gets compressed just to get to static ride height. When I went to the alignment shop, they had a Longacre spring dyno and we asked to test the first spring Jay sent, the correct one and the stock one. We put the stock rear spring in and compressed the spring to simulate compression for static ride height, zero'ed the scale and compressed 1". The reading? 300 lbs. We then compressed another inch. The reading? 604 lbs. So...yah...I guess they are progressive...hahahaha. In conclusion, the stock rear springs are 302#/inch. > Progressive springs are not the problem. > Just about every stock spring on any car is progressive. Nonetheless all of > them come with tuned suspensions that do not exhibit any bounciness. > H&Rs are just too stiff for Koni SAs. Your shocks are under-damped on > compression and that is something you can not rectify with rebound > adjustment. I beg to differ here. Call up Eibach and ask them about their springs for the M3. They'll confirm that they are linear and that the rates (for '96+) is 136(front) and 440(rear). If you look at a stock spring off of a '95M3 (the one where the coils are uniform in diameter), you'll see that the spacing between the coils is even. Go to UUC's webpage for spring rates...the spring rate for the is around 95#/inch....through 4 inches of compression! I'd say that was pretty much linear. The problem is with progressive rate springs. What does compression have anything to do with any of this? A higher compression rate in the shocks would just give me a virtually stiffer spring, no? How would you explain using 375#/inch front and 450#/inch rear linear Eibach Racing Springs in my car with the Koni SAs and I have no bounciness? Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Weekend report :) (GC coilover review, other stuff)...LONG - from nabli@earthlink.net
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:53:04 -0400 From: <nabli@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Weekend report :) (GC coilover review, other stuff)...LONG Alex: ----- Original Message ----- From: <alex.fadeev@verizon.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Weekend report :) (GC coilover review, other stuff)...LONG Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > [...] > Anyway, after talking to Jay Morris of Ground Control, he confirmed that the > H&Rs are progressive rate and that really the only other springs out there that > are linear like stock are either Dinan springs or Eibach Pro-Kit springs. Go > figure! >Chester, >I hate to contradict Jay, but stock springs are most obviously progressive. >Both in coil diameter and the winding radius (aka barrel shaped). Not so sure I agree with you. When we were having the car aligned at the shop we had them test the rear factory springs from Chester's car. These are green stripped springs. @ 1" = 302 @ 2" = 607 (i.e., 303.5 @ 1") This was done with a Longacre digital spring tester. Unfortunately Chester didn't have the front springs with him. Perhaps I'm missing something? See also: http://www.bmw-m.net/techdata/spring.htm Cheers, Jim E.

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#4. Re: [E36M3] LTW Interior Info Request - from Alan Taur
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:06:06 -0700 From: "Alan Taur" <alantaur@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] LTW Interior Info Request Rich, I think this is exactly what you're looking for. http://www.tripledistilled.com/cloth.htm Thanks to Matt Malfa of UUC for the webpage. BTW, the 94 M-Technic has a different interior than the LTW. The M-technic had fake-suede bolsters, as well as non-leather "standard" E36 M3s. The LTW interior is all cloth, no hints of suede or near-suede. The bolsters, headrests were in black cloth that was actually quite slippery. Kinda neoprene-ish. How ironic for a near-racer. -Alan

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#5. Re: fade side moldings & masking tape - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:51:38 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: fade side moldings & masking tape >>You want to use "painters tape", not masking tape to do any masking on body panels<< I thought the stuff you use when painting was called Masking Tape....If its painters tape you use when painting, then what is Masking tape supposed to be used for? Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 45K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schaublin" <mike_schaublin@hotmail.com> To: <e36m3@bmw-m.net>; <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: fade side moldings & masking tape > You want to use "painters tape", not masking tape to do any masking on body > panels. It has an adhesive more like post-it notes, which leaves no residue > and won't lift dried paint. My wife has gone through miles of this stuff > painting the house, and I used it when painting the gray body lowers on a > 325. You can buy it at any hardware or home store. The stuff I've seen has > always been blue, but it may come in different colors. > > Mike > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > >

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#6. HK sound system option - from Mike Kanaly
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:47:42 -0700 From: "Mike Kanaly" <mike@worklife.com> Subject: HK sound system option Has anyone attempted to install the HK sound system in their non HK equipped car? How hard is the install? Would it be worth it? What exactly is the difference between the 2 systems on the m3? I was thinking of looking for the necessary parts, and then installing it in my 97 m3. Let me know! -Mike

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#7. Replaced That Ugly Slat Grill - from Jay Kenty
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:49:22 -0400 From: "Jay Kenty" <freedomnh@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Replaced That Ugly Slat Grill Ugly, at least in my opinion- the slatted grill on my lux '97 never looked quite right. After all, when you started salivating over the first E36 M3 that you saw in pictures it was that MESH grill that stood out. So in the year and a half that I've owned my slatted car, I tired more and more of it. Passing through Portsmouth NH last weekend, I decided to drop in at BavAuto and picked up a mesh grill. Installation wasn't that bad once I decided to remove the whole front bumper to get at those horrendous clips that hold the grill on the cheap spindly little plastic pins. Results- even better than I expected. The simple black mesh grill on my silver car are the perfect look- understated, elegant and just mean enough. Am I the only one to go "backwards" away from this lux package "feature"? Best, Jay Kenty '97 M3 Lux- but with great looking mesh grill (slat grill for sale if someone really wants it- slight dings) '01 525i stick- great ride, really

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#8. Rich Dorffer and LTW interior - from Marc.S.Edwards@QuestDiagnostics.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:02:33 -0700 From: Marc.S.Edwards@QuestDiagnostics.com Subject: Rich Dorffer and LTW interior Rich; Also sent you private mail. You don't have any LTWs showing up locally to look at? The LTW front seats are 325is sport seats. The cloth is "anthracite with hurricane seating surfaces" cloth. This looks like black on the side bolsters of seat and seat back and headrest and a black material with a background of light red and blue lightning bolt graphic accents on the seating surfaces. Same pattern with the rear. I am not aware that this cloth came with any other BMW imported into the US. Perhaps the non-leather seats in the 1995 M3 might be the same seating and back surface. However, those were Darth Vader seats and the side bolsters had suede on them. No suede or napa leather at all in the LTW. The door panels are regular 1995 M3 panels, all black. Regards, Marc 95M3CSL

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#9. LTW splitter with paint chips gone - from Marc.S.Edwards@QuestDiagnostics.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:06:02 -0700 From: Marc.S.Edwards@QuestDiagnostics.com Subject: LTW splitter with paint chips gone For those of you with a LTW splitter; Due to usage and time the leading edge and some of the top of the surface of the splitter has chipping. This shows a much lighter color than the black of the splitter. It is getting down to the cream/yellow color of fiberglass. I was wondering if anyone here has recolored their splitter or used anything to put the black color back into those areas. Yea, I know it is cosmetic and that it will continue to chip since I do use the car on the track with the splitter out. However, I am cleaning it up and showing the LTW at the LA chapter clean car contest and picnic this weekend. Want to make the splitter look purdy and uniform. Any ideas? Is this a repaint or black shoe polish temporarily or something else? Thanks, Marc 95M3CSL with pigment loss on splitter

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: fade side moldings & masking tape - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:12:22 -0400 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispy@ieee.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: fade side moldings & masking tape At 06:55 PM 4/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I thought the stuff you use when painting was called Masking Tape....If its >painters tape you use when painting, then what is Masking tape supposed to >be used for? Masking tape, as I found out the hard way, is reserved for taping on a painted wall to paint a trim color, such that the original paint is dutifully peeled off the wall when you remove the tape. To this day, I'm mad that "masking tape" was not useful in masking off a surface to paint. I learned the hard way - now it's blue 3M paint tape all the way. Granted, automotive finishes are more durable than simple house paints, but I wouldn't trust tan masking tape on any body panels, just to be safe. All you need is one rock chip where the paint adhesion to the primer/panel is slightly weakened, and... - Chris

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