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#1. RE: oil starvation - from BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1)
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 14:16:47 -0700 From: "BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1)" <bill_boom@hp.com> Subject: RE: oil starvation > -----Original Message----- > From: E36M3 [mailto:e36m3@bmw-m.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:26 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 #2255 > > > This digest contains the following messages: > > 1. Brake air intake > by: Edward N Frank <enf@iglou.com> > 2. how many shades of alpinweiss are there? > by: Jesse Caldwell <Jesse.Caldwell@Colorado.EDU> > 3. oil starvation > by: Dorffer, Rich <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > 4. oil starvation > by: Dorffer, Rich <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > 5. RE: [E36M3] Help!!: Cleaning Hawk brake pad residue from > by: Scott Yu <scott@ditherdog.com> > 6. Re: how many shades of alpinweiss are there? > by: slafredo <slafredo@fast.net> > 7. Re: [E36M3] oil starvation > by: Thomas G. Clark <toclark@cisco.com> > 8. RE: oil starvation warning > by: BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1) <bill_boom@hp.com> > 9. RE: [E36M3] RE: oil starvation warning > by: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > 10. Re: [E36M3] oil starvation > by: Joe Dyer <joedyer@attbi.com> > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:36:14 -0400 > From: "Edward N Frank" <enf@iglou.com> > Subject: Brake air intake > > I have smashed up the plastic brake air intake scoop and the plastic > pieces around the right wheel well. > > Can anybody suggest a good reasonable place to find such replacements > if they are available? > > > Thanks in advance. > > Ed Frank > 97 M3/4 > > > > > > > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:41:01 -0600 > From: Jesse Caldwell <Jesse.Caldwell@Colorado.EDU> > Subject: how many shades of alpinweiss are there? > > hi all, > > it's time to fix the body damage from my off-roading experience last > january. the most significant (actually, the only) damage was to > passenger front fender and bumper cover, so i plan to outright replace > both parts and have a body shop paint/install them for me. > > bimmerhaus recommended sve autobody in broomfield. i'm not going to > ignore advice from my favorite shop, so i just called sve and they > quoted me $1100 to paint/install the two items (does not include cost > of fender/bumper cover). here's what irks me -- the guy i talked to > said that bmw went through several shades of alpine white and so even > though they order their paint from the same place that bmw does, they > can't guarantee a match, and will probably have to blend the door and > hood to make it look right. > > i didn't damage the hood and i didn't damage the door so i don't care > to paint them. seems to me that for $1100 they can try every > variant of > alpinweiss out there until they get it right (i believe my car is > labeled alpinweiss-300 and some dealers list alpinweiss, alpinweiss ii > and alpinweiss iii as valid colors for our cars). i would > like to think > that a body shop wouldn't have any trouble finding out what paint got > slapped on 5/96 build date e36 m3s. > > i'm new to this bodywork stuff, so any opinions about this paint > matching business would be most appreciated. > > thanks, > > jesse > > > > -------------------- 3 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:11:27 -0400 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: oil starvation > > > Why do you think the oil pressure idiot light didn't illuminate? > > Because it only illuminates at about 8 psi IIRC. That is > pretty late warning in my opinion. I am looking at adding a > adjustable oil pressure light (Longacre) to my gauge set (oil > pressure and oil temperature) as another precaution set for > something in the range of 15 - 20 psi. > > I agree with Jason, my E30 325is has a light for low level > AND a light for pressure, and both have worked flawlessly. > The low level came on when it dropped just below the min. > mark on the dipstick. > > Later, > > Rich > > > > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:31:11 -0400 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: oil starvation > > Actually, I tried to just look it up. BMW states a switch-on > pressure of 0.2 ... 0.5 bar. I believe that equates to 2.90 > - 7.25 psi. Regardless, you pretty much have to lose nearly > all your pressure before the light illuminates. > > Later, > > Rich > > > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:32:49 -0500 > From: "Scott Yu" <scott@ditherdog.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Help!!: Cleaning Hawk brake pad residue from > > I had a scary experience with Hawk Blues on a wet day at NHIS > - I've got the RD Class II splitter on the front of the car, > and you could see the rust flakes deposited in a way that > showed the vortices in the airflow coming from the winglets > (interesting, but unhappy nonetheless). Also, my wheels were > in rough shape, mainly because I forgot what Kit said: "You > HAVE to spray your wheels with Pam(tm) Cooking Spray before > you head out. And you have to spray the wheels when they're > OFF the car." > > I think Kit found out that 2nd one the hard way. But yeah - > it took me about 8 hours to get the stuff off my wheels. > There's a bit of good news though - when you get those little > rust flakes on the paint, a simple treatment with 3M Imperial > Hand Glaze will take 'em right off. Of course you don't want > to use IHG all the time as it's a 'cleaner' but my car was > uber-shiny afterwards, I love IHG. Oh, and I love my hawk blues, too! > > Scott Yu > > Scott Riley wrote: > From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Help!!: Cleaning Hawk brake pad residue from > wheels > > I want to thank everyone for their help on cleaning my Fikse FM/10 > wheels that were encrusted with Hawk Blues brake dust. I > know that they > were some mildly heated discussions about Hawk pads and the damaging > effects that they have when used in rainy conditions or in > situations where > they do not reach optimum temperatures (e.g. autocross). My > '95 M3 is > a dedicated track car; however, it was early in the season and the > autocross was the only "fix" that I could find to feed my > track habit. To > make things worse, it rained and I didn't have time to clean > the wheels > until 24-48 hours later. I will know better next time to > simply change > the pads to something else (Pagids, Mintex, PF, etc.). It is well > worth the 30 minutes to change pads, than the 18 hours that I spent > cleaning my wheels. > > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:47:58 -0500 > From: "slafredo" <slafredo@fast.net> > Subject: Re: how many shades of alpinweiss are there? > > All colors vary from batch to batch and most of the time > they blend into adjacent panels. > > BTW, White is one of the HARDEST colors to match. > > S <- owner of white cars from 1987-2002 > > > i'm new to this bodywork stuff, so any opinions about this > > paint matching business would be most appreciated. > > > > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:52:58 -0500 > From: "Thomas G. Clark" <toclark@cisco.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] oil starvation > > Ok, can we find a replacement sender that will > light the light at a higher pressure? Does anyone know > how we'd research this? > > Tom > > At 12:35 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:31:11 -0400 > >From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > >Subject: oil starvation > > > >Actually, I tried to just look it up. BMW states a > switch-on pressure of 0.2 ... 0.5 bar. I believe that > equates to 2.90 - 7.25 psi. Regardless, you pretty much have > to lose nearly all your pressure before the light illuminates. > > > >Later, > > > >Rich > > > > > >************************************************************* > >List Commands > >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the > mailing list. > >DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > >GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > > >To issue a command/request to the server: > >Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > >subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > >************************************************************* > > > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 14:25:17 -0400 > From: "BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1)" <bill_boom@hp.com> > Subject: RE: oil starvation warning > > > Why do you think the oil pressure idiot light didnt illuminate? > > > > Paul Elliott > ---- > > Bob Stommel wrote that the stock switch comes on at 8psi. > > > > Chester > > That would explain why damage can occur long before the light > comes on. The > block requires 4 bars of pressure, which is about 58psi. > > - Bill > > > > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 14:54:50 -0400 > From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: oil starvation warning > > 4 Bars seems excessive. > > My gauge rarely runs above 60 and closer to 30 when hot at idle. > > Are you saying the engine needs higher pressure than it puts out? From the Bentley manual, the regulated pressure (at elevated engine speed) should be 4 bars. Minimum idle pressure is 0.5 bar. - Bill
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#2. Re: [E36M3] RE: oil starvation - from twisty M3
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Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:20:12 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: oil starvation That was mentioned, but not that we could hold up to 9 quarts. That's whole lotta earl!! I've always made it a point to add even more oil than normal at the track, but how can you be sure you're in the 8 quart range? I usually add until I'm just into or barely over the top notch on the dipstick. Jonathan L. >From: Bob Stommel <rstommel@iquest.net> > >I haven't been following this thread too carefully, so I don't know if >anyone mentioned this: you should add an additional FULL quart of oil to >the engine any time you run an E36 M3 on the track (for a total of 8 >quarts). The OEM oil pan will actually hold 9 qts. without causing a >"windage" problem from the crankshaft or engine over-pressure. PTG ran 9 >qts. of oil in their E36 M3 race cars with a similar pan, but then a >high-strung race engine tends to burn a lot of oil. > >Bob Stommel > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
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#3. OIL CAPACITY - from Gary A. Preece
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:42:40 -0400 From: "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> Subject: OIL CAPACITY I put in 8 full quarts of oil and it brings it up to exactly the top line on the dipstick. Of course, when I drain it I jack up the rear corner of the car opposite the drain plug. It gets out an extra full quart of dirty oil that way. More costly...but better. Should I put in an extra quart for street driving? any harm to this? Thanks. Gary Preece Louisville, KY
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#4. RE: oil starvation warning - from Bob Stommel
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Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:50:14 -0500 From: Bob Stommel <rstommel@iquest.net> Subject: RE: oil starvation warning You can save the engine IF you immediately shut if off as soon as the warning light comes on. This means in the middle of a turn if you have to. If you take time to think about whether the light really means you have a problem, that maybe you should do something about it, that you probably should turn off the engine -- you're too late. A higher pressure aftermarket warning light just gives you a few extra seconds to react. This may sound stupid, but you really should practice this procedure at least once on the street (hopefully when nobody else is around who may run into you). Drive along at a normal cruising speed, shut off the ignition and let the car coast to the side of the road. Then practice it in the middle of a turn. It may save you a $5K rebuild some day. Bob Stommel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:02:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: oil starvation warning The problem is the switch is non-intelligent. It just triggers when pressure drops below a certain value. Now, ~20 psi might be fine at idle and even if it dropped to 10 psi (there's an old saying about how many psi you need for a given rpm), you might still not damage the engine. What happens when you're running at anything other than idle....say 6k rpms..and you lose pressure (where it would normally be at ~60psi) to 10 psi? Damage is inevitable, no? Chester
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#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: oil starvation - from Bob Stommel
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Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:51:55 -0500 From: Bob Stommel <rstommel@iquest.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: oil starvation 1/8 inch over the top (full) notch is 8 qts. Bob Stommel >That was mentioned, but not that we could hold up to 9 quarts. That's >whole lotta earl!! I've always made it a point to add even more oil than >normal at the track, but how can you be sure you're in the 8 quart >range? I usually add until I'm just into or barely over the top notch on >the dipstick. > >Jonathan L.
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#6. 235-40-17 front 245-40-17 rear? - from Sean Burke
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:36:36 -0400 From: "Sean Burke" <sburke@ee.net> Subject: 235-40-17 front 245-40-17 rear? Has anyone had any experience running 235's on the front and 245's on the rear on an M3 with ASC? Is there enough difference in diameter to set the ASC off at speed? I currently have the staggered setup, but my fronts are about shot. I'd like to move the fronts up to 235's, but not have to give up my rears that have about 2/3 of their life left. Thanks, Sean '98 M3/4 Misc goodies
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#7. Positive Displacement vs. Centrifugal superchargers - NO M3 content but still great - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 22:49:11 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: Positive Displacement vs. Centrifugal superchargers - NO M3 content but still great There are 3 different supercharger systems currently available for NSX's and the Texas NSX group did a dyno day where they tested cars with similar configurations and each of the systems and then put together an EXCELLENT report with the results. The BaschBoost kit is a Paxton centrifugal type, costs a little under $6k and runs with a neat drive-shaft system. The Comptech and GruppeB systems are positive displacement type blowers and cost just under $10k and about $8.5k respectively. Why am I posting this to the M3 list? Look at the last few pages of the report for the best head-to-head comparison of the systems that I have ever seen and judge for yourself why every manufacturer goes for the positive displacement blower and why that is what I would really prefer to put on my M3 if one ever becomes available. Remember, the peak numbers are one thing but the total area under the graph is what really counts. http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Performance/images/NSteXpo2002_DynoReport.pd f If anyone is not familiar with the NSX community, Mark Basch (the designer/builder of the centrifugal kit) is probably one of, if not THE, best NSX resource/mechanic in the US and I am in no way trying to put down the kit that he designed. I just wanted everyone to see the differences. -Wayne '99 M3/2 '91 NSX (dad's car) with no blower just yet....
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#8. Re: [E36M3] 235-40-17 front 245-40-17 rear? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:09:28 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] 235-40-17 front 245-40-17 rear? In a message dated 5/1/02 9:39:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sburke@ee.net writes: > Has anyone had any experience running 235's on the front and 245's on the > rear on an M3 with ASC? Is there enough difference in diameter to set the > ASC off at speed? > No, but I run 225/45 front and 255/40 on the rear (Rear fenders rolled). Never a problem, and I love that beefy look in the rear ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 - Coupe
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#9. Anyone read this? - from Chris
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:44:47 -0700 From: "Chris" <ccurry@curry.org> Subject: Anyone read this? What do you think? http://www.bellengineering.net/BMWM3Turbo.html Chris -----Original Message----- From: Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering [mailto:ben@rogueengineering.com] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:25 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rebuilt Driveshafts? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:21:14 -0400 From: "Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering" <ben@rogueengineering.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rebuilt Driveshafts? Peter, Chances are very strong that your 95 driveshaft uses a 6-bolt connection to your diff. The later model M3s (97-99) use 4 bolt connections. We have a used 95 M3 driveshaft with 64k miles, if you're interested. Regards, Ben Liaw Rogue Engineering . 201.444.8150 > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:37:19 -0700 > From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> > Subject: Rebuilt Driveshafts? > > Anyone know of a source for used or rebuilt drive shafts? I'm looking for > one from a '96-'99 M3 5-speed to use on my '95. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > -peterg > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > > ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#10. RE: [E36M3] 235-40-17 front 245-40-17 rear? - from Bob Lenarcik
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Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:33:47 -0700 From: Bob Lenarcik <lenarcik@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 235-40-17 front 245-40-17 rear? Sean, I ran this setup with a set of Yoko AVS S1s and had no problems with the ASC+T. I've always replaced 4 tires at a time so I can't speak about worn rears vs. new fronts and ASC+T. I now run 245/40s all around to make it easy to balance out tire wear. - Bob -----Original Message----- From: Sean Burke [mailto:sburke@ee.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:36 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] 235-40-17 front 245-40-17 rear? Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:36:36 -0400 From: "Sean Burke" <sburke@ee.net> Subject: 235-40-17 front 245-40-17 rear? Has anyone had any experience running 235's on the front and 245's on the rear on an M3 with ASC? Is there enough difference in diameter to set the ASC off at speed? I currently have the staggered setup, but my fronts are about shot. I'd like to move the fronts up to 235's, but not have to give up my rears that have about 2/3 of their life left. Thanks, Sean '98 M3/4 Misc goodies ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************