E36M3 #2269

Tuesday, May 07, 2002 15:09:03

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#1. Re: [E36M3] bleeding clutch - from Matt Henson
#2. Re: [E36M3] bleeding clutch - from NickG
#3. RE: Rollbar & Harnesses - from Bob Stommel
#4. RE: Oil Starvation - from Legerlotz, Alan
#5. remounting Kumho Victoracers inside/out???? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#6. rear Brembo rotors - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#7. Steering wheel options... - from Juan Rico
#8. Re: [E36M3] remounting Kumho Victoracers inside/out???? - from Jim Bassett
#9. Re: [E36M3] Steering wheel options... - from Andrej Dolenc
#10. [E36M3] Laguna Seca Rocks! (Long) - from twisty M3

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#1. Re: [E36M3] bleeding clutch - from Matt Henson
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:24:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding clutch --- "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> wrote: > > I was wondering if I bled the clutch correctly > because it just went to the > floor and would not come up. I had to pull it up by > had each time. My son > would push it to the floor while I opened the plug > then I would shut it > before pulling it back up by hand. Thanks. > > Gary Preece Gary, It's normal to have to pull it back by hand. If a clutch is not bled correctly then the engagement point will be lower than normal. It will also feel soft at the higher end of the travel, you can push it the first couple inches without any effort and then it suddenly kicks in. BTW, it's really easy to get this wrong since the clutch fluid hose is fairly high up on the brake resevoir . You really have to keep the resevoir full when bleeding the clutch. -Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

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#2. Re: [E36M3] bleeding clutch - from NickG
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:26:48 -0400 From: "NickG" <nick@tech-nick.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding clutch Sounds like you may still have air in the system. When did you open the plug, when the pedal was already pushed down? or before and THEN the pedal was pushed down? Makes a difference.....The correct manual procedure would be to pump the pedal a few times, hold the pedal down, open the bleeder valve, release the air, close the bleeder valve, and pull up the pedal. But manually bleeding a clutch has always been a PIA for me. The solution: use a pressurized bleeder. Believe me, these things work GREAT for clutches. Makes it a one person job; you don't even get your hands dirty. Visit www.apexcone.com for directions on how to make one. Even the simplest version, for less than $25 in parts, is a big help. Nick > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:09:41 -0400 > From: "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> > Subject: bleeding clutch > > I was wondering if I bled the clutch correctly because it just went to the > floor and would not come up. I had to pull it up by had each time. My son > would push it to the floor while I opened the plug then I would shut it > before pulling it back up by hand. Thanks. > > Gary Preece

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#3. RE:  Rollbar & Harnesses - from Bob Stommel
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 11:52:40 -0500 From: Bob Stommel <rstommel@iquest.net> Subject: RE: Rollbar & Harnesses Andrew Taylor at Taylor Autosport (http://www.taylorautosport.com/frames2.htm) carries the Willans harnesses now. Click on "Safety" in the Catalog section. Bob Stommel SPG Motorsports Indianapolis .......................................................................... Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:08:37 -0400 From: "Rob Verenna" <rob@willraceforbeer.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rollbar & Harnesses Rob- I am looking for a set of Willans 6 points for my 325i race car and couldn't find any US dealers via a web search... well, I found one, but it was a Miata specific shop and I didn't feel real comfortable with their "expertise". I contacted Willans in the UK directly and got a response today; below are the US dealers they sent me. I have no knowledge of any of them, so if you contact them please let me know if you find a good one to deal with as I will be calling them all in the next few days to get info and place my order. Also, I don't think you want to run 6 points over the front of the seat anymore than a 5 point... from what I've found out, 6 points are basically meant to be worn like a parachute rig and in the race car will attach at the same point as the lap belt. I'm no expert nor do I claim to be one but I am interested in being as safe as possible out there and have been doing a lot of research for this build-up. Good luck! - rob Here's the list from Willans UK: B.R.I.T.S. Inc. Tel: (707) 935 3637 Fax: (707) 935 0942 Zephyr Enterprises Tel/Fax: (650) 496 1933 Transatlantic Racing Services Tel: (770) 889 0499 Fax: (770) 889 0657 Keister Racing Components Tel: (570) 966 2330 Fax: (570) 966 2417 Bethania Garage Inc Tel: (336) 922 3018 Fax: (336) 924 8293 North American Race Parts Tel: (317) 244 9694 Fax: (317) 243 8905

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#4. RE: Oil Starvation - from Legerlotz, Alan
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:59:22 -0400 From: "Legerlotz, Alan" <alegerlotz@kronos.com> Subject: RE: Oil Starvation >>Like Bob Stommel, I am just trying to gain some time to shut down >>completely if I have a total loss of oil pressure. Spending $30 and >>some ingenuity for an additional warning light seems relatively cheap >>compared to a new S50 motor. With this I completely agree. -Al

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#5. remounting Kumho Victoracers inside/out???? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:20:50 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: remounting Kumho Victoracers inside/out???? Group, Has anyone remounted their Kumho Victoracer 700's inside out? I only run 1.5 degrees negative camber so I've worn the outside edge down but the tire still looks new on the inside edge. Hey, this might also give me some more negative camber due to the wear pattern ;-)) BTW: I lost to a BSP C5 Vette for the first time, I'm bummed. Oh yeah, and I won't blame my tires, it was the rotten driver :-( TIA, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 BSP Champion 2001

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#6. rear Brembo rotors - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:28:39 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: rear Brembo rotors To all those interested in the GP, I talked to a Brembo rep today, and he said that rear cross-drilled or slotted rotors will be in production and available this July. So all those who want rear Brembo c/d or slotted rotors will have to wait just a couple more months. I think that's good news. Still trying to get GP price on fronts from Auto Addictions. Thanks for everyone's patience. More later, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 BSP Champion 2001

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#7. Steering wheel options... - from Juan Rico
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:01:56 -0700 From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Subject: Steering wheel options... Hi List, I was wondering if anybody had studied the various options available to those that want to upgrade or simply change their steering wheel for cosmetic or practical purposes. In my case it's purely cosmetic. That 4 spoke steering wheel although practical is simply hideous. I am only interested in steering wheels that offer the airbag option. I've seen a lot of aftermarket racy ones but without airbag. Also, it doesn't have to be a complete set, I've seen some "enhanced" stock steering wheels with added beefier grips. These look awesome, while still retaining the airbag. Anybody know where to get these? Lastly, I've tried to find a used stock 99 three spoke wheel to no avail. This would be the ideal setup, but I just can't find any... Thanks, Juan.

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#8. Re: [E36M3] remounting Kumho Victoracers inside/out???? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 11:20:56 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] remounting Kumho Victoracers inside/out???? At 10:28 AM 5/7/02, Mdriver13@aol.com wrote: >Has anyone remounted their Kumho Victoracer 700's inside out? Or, since you're going to have it dismounted, have it mounted in the correct orientation in the other side of the car? Serves the same purpose (getting the outside edge on the inside, yet keeps the tire running "forward"). But, to answer your question, it should be fine. The orientation of the tread is only a concern if you're dealing with a wet surface. Running the tire "backwards" is OK in the dry. Hope that helps, Jim Bassett

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Steering wheel options... - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:17:13 -0500 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Steering wheel options... Juan Rico writes: > Anybody know where to get these? Lastly, I've tried to find a used stock 99 > three spoke wheel to no avail. > This would be the ideal setup, but I just can't find any... This topic came up on the list a while back, it was something I was considering as well. Problem is that the airbag from the 4 spoke steering wheel will not fit into the 3 spoke steering wheel. So you have to buy the steering wheel as well as the airbag that fits into it. Total for the parts alone was over $1000. Enough for me to say 'errrrm that's ok.' Andrej '97 M3

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#10. [E36M3] Laguna Seca Rocks! (Long) - from twisty M3
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:02:24 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Laguna Seca Rocks! (Long) What an incredible track weekend on an incredible track! (this may be a long, pointless post, but I can't keep it all in.) I swear, that place is so great... AHHH! Can't even explain what a great weekend it was. As usual, first day was odd, trying to get used to the track. GT3 on Playstation is pretty accurate, but it just doesn't translate well into real life. I'm sure when I go back to play it, it'll be cool, but it's weird the other way around. I think the dowloaded videos were much more helpful. My 3rd session on the first day sucked too... I had 3 "bad" laps in a row (not terrible, just a little off line through a few areas) because I kept thinking about errors I just made rather than focusing on the next turn. I honestly had to sit in my car for several minutes afterwards until I remembered some of the stuff I read in "Inner Speed Secrets." (great book, btw) Then I realized that was all in the past and there was nothing I could do about it. Thinking about would probably just make me do the same things again. I told myself, "The next session is going to be great..." and it was. As were the next 9 sessions of the weekend after that. You read that right... I had 3 full days of Laguna Seca (okay, I actually sat out the last session on Monday). As always, it was absolutely great seeing some good friends (Donna Seeley, Jim Bassett and few others that I don't think are on "the list"), and making some new ones. I'll just never get used to how great track junkies are. ;) I've honestly never met a better group of people. Everyone is so willing to help and offer advice. Some really funny people too, and some great story tellers at the Saturday dinner. The first time I rolled out of the pits as a solo driver is when it really hit me.... "I'm driving MY car on Laguna Freakin' Seca!" What a rush!!! Oy! What a great time... words can't even express it, no matter how hard I try. Learned some new lines and techinques on Monday too, with Steve Walsh as instructor. Good guy! Of course, I think I like just about everyone I've ever met at these events. Still a compliment though. ;) He had me trail braking into turn two in 2nd gear to rotate the car, rather than straight line braking and then using throttle steering in 3rd to get around. The trail braking and then using turn two as a big skid pad was MUCH more fun, and quicker. Turns 3 and 4 are fun, but a bit unnerving at first because they're so flat... No banking on those ones at all. Turn 6 is great!!!! When you nail it, you can get on the throttle really early and it just shoots you out like a sling shot! It's flippin' fun! The uphill section is neat too. Full throttle in 3rd and I was just riding it up at around 6,300rpm to 6,500rpm for the first two days. On Monday, though, I was riding just a hair under 7,000rpm, which seemed a bit mean to my motor, so it necessitated a shift to 4th and a down shift before 8, which took some getting used to, not to mention the need for smoothness (many walls 'n stuff up there). Actually, I'm surprised that I never really thought about the walls at all, other than seeing the gophers popping over them to check out the on-track action. I still feel bad for our little friend between turns 5 and 6. ;) The corkscrew wasn't a big deal the first day but, as I was told, that was because I wasn't going fast enough. You can really come out of it with a bit of throttle, which makes 9 pretty interesting. That was the hardest turn to get used to, but when you get it right, it's great! Turn 10 is cool, but Turn 11 can be a real butt-clencher. Definitely the slowest corner on the track, and where one car was lost this weekend. Back up through the front "straight" is cool, but I sure as hell don't have the juevos to stay full throttle after turn one. That's some serious downhill business, and a place where I really need some confidence in my equipement and abilities. Some claimed to get to 130 or so, and I think that's where Dan Tacket got to in his NSX while I got a ride (what a great driver, and incredible car! He could stay in second all the way from turn 2 to just before 5. LONG gearing!) Not me though. Monday with Driving Concepts was incredible! Talk about track time! I meant to just stay for a half day and leave by 1 p.m. *Five 30-minute sessions* and I had as much fun as I could handle. ;) Got home at 10:30 last night after a wonderful drive down PCH from Monterey to San Luis Obispo. Pretty clear through the good stuff too, so I made better timing going home via PCH than I did heading up via the 101. Also got to be one of the five cars that went up to the cork screw to pose for pictures for their new DC brochure or flyer they're working on. Very cool! That's enough writing, because my break's about over, and I actually have a lot of work to catch up on. Sorry for the rambling, especially for those who already know how great the track is. For anyone debating on going to this, or any track, hopefully some of my excitement will rub off on you and you'll get out there. Best time of your life, every time! Jonathan "I really love driving, and turn 6 is fun! Then so is 2, 3, 4..." Lawson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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