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#1. Re: brakes. Forget something? - from Noah Paci
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:40:24 -0400 From: "Noah Paci" <npaci@rr.com> Subject: Re: brakes. Forget something? I had the same response, but I happened to have 4 replacement bolts fresh from BMW in my tool bag, as I am going to replace the stock ones with fresh bolts, and Damn, if the 5/8 6 point socket doesn't fit better. And for the high torque application that these bolts are put on by with folks with impact wrenches, I will take the better fit of the 5/8 socket, even if it does corrupt the metric purity of my garage. (btw, I had to use standard wrenches on my brake lines too...argh...who has a complete set of SAE tools anymore?) Items Recently Added to Tool Shopping List: 1/2" drive 5/8" 6 point shallow socket a set of SAE Wrenches & Sockets ... cheers, Noah. 95 M3, White P.S. Anyone going to Mont Tremblant this weekend for the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday school with the NER Porsche Folks? >Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 20:49:37 -0500 >From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> >Subject: Re: brakes. Forget something? > >on 5/9/02 4:58 PM, Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > The 16 mm bolts holding the brake/caliper is actually a 5/8" head bolt. > >Ah no, not really. it's 16 mm. > >Neil >96 M3
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#2. Lifts and hidden costs - from dholeman
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:25:54 -0400 From: "dholeman" <dholeman@racepad.com> Subject: Lifts and hidden costs Hi, The relative cost of lifts these days is low. The hidden costs and factors to consider are: Will it fit in your garage. Width and height of the lift and available space is an issue. Can you center up the opening of the lift with your garage door so you can drive your car straight into the lift. Usually a 4" thick cement floor is required. If not a larger plate needs to be used. You have a minimum distance from the edge of the garage floor that you have to consider. This can shift the whole lift in your garage to one side making it in accessible. If you have a two door garage you need to be mindful of this. If you have a two car garage you need to make sure that you can still fit your other car in the other bay. Place the lift on the right bay or your drivers door will slam into the lift post everytime you try to get in and out. All of these lift vendors quote a low price and include shipping but you have to arrange to the last mile delivery and a way to get the lift off the truck. Many times you need to specify a truck capable of unloading these. A ramp or lift gate is required. You will need a fork lift or some sort of way to lift the heavy beams and unload them from the truck and move them around. Two post lifts have to be secured to the floor via several bolts that are like giant molly bolts. You have to have someone come in and do this for you unless you have a way to drill a proper hole through the flooring and the tools to set these bolts properly. Best thing to do is to talk to the vendor and make sure you understand all that is required before buying a lift. Most can point you to a recommended installer. No point in making a mistake and having the lift topple over on you. If you are building a garage talk to the lift makers and space out and spec your garage with your builder to make sure that you get a proper floor, height and witdth to accomodate the lift. david
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 - from Michael
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:24:32 -0400 From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. I have to ask, where did you get your information? are you sure you heard it right? 15 secs? There is NO WAY he beat his lap time of an E-36 by 15-17 seconds. Maybe hundreths, not seconds. If so, he would have been able to lap an entire club racing field, including B & D mod cars which is not going to happen with a stock E-46 M3, the mod cars have more power, weigh less etc. Also, if he drives an I prepared E-36, which I believe I have heard he does, it should easily beat a stock E-46 M3. Laws of physics come into play here. Given the power to weight ratio, the E-46 simply loses the game, PERIOD. I dont know how well his race car is set up, but if he is that much faster in a stock E-46, he needs to park the race car. Around here, Road Atlanta, Sebring etc, no STOCK production BMW maybe excluding the F1 can post lap times comparable to the prepared E-36 M3s. try 1:39 at road atlanta, best an E-46 M3 can do there might be 1:43 or so. I would in fact wager a NEW E-46 M3 on the outcome of a race. E-46M3 vs H prepared M3, winner gets new M3 free and clear. any takers? hehe. Mike
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#4. Re: Long live the E36 M3 - from BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1)
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:27:19 -0700 From: "BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1)" <bill_boom@hp.com> Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:03:08 -0700 > From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> > Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > >So I guess the question that begs to be asked...Has the > >bar been raised or > >the ball been dropped? > > Well, if you go strictly on one car magazines comparo then > I guess you can think what you want. But here is some food > for thought. > > Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. I was at Thunderhilll in December when Navid was there with his E46 M3. The E46 was not stock - he had replaced the factory suspension with something more performance-oriented (and he had wider-than-stock, R-compound tires.) When I talked to him, he was only beating his E36 times by a second or so, but perhaps he's got his E46 times down since then. Regardless, I think the point of the original poster still stands: the reviews of the E46 tend to fault its soft suspension, and in that they may be right. - Bill
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#5. RE: brakes. - from Berney, Butch
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:20:20 -0700 From: "Berney, Butch" <butch.berney@lamrc.com> Subject: RE: brakes. Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:46:45 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: brakes. Trivia question: name E36 bolts that genuinely are SAE sized. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------------ I don't know the answer to this, but would have to guess either the wheel bolts, or the brake line thread. I can't think of anything else that would fall under some kind of "world standard". As long as we are on trivia. How did it come to pass that wheel diameter is measured in inches, and width in millimeters? Actually, I don't know the answer to this either, but have looked :-) Butch (who is old enough to have bought tires for his first car, a Cortina GT, with "ultra low profile" D70X13's...or something like that)
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#6. Re: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 - from Jason Sarich
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:42:58 -0700 From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 I appologize to ALL. My wires were crossed! Ok, (Huge mistake on my part). Navid did 1.5 seconds faster NOT 15 seconds faster at Thunderhill Raceway in the E46 M3 v. I-Prepared E36 M3. I read that someone tested the stock E46 at the Nurbergring and beat a stock? E36 M3 by 15 seconds. That is a MUCH longer course and could make up that time. I applogize again for my misinformation, I thought that sounded fast when I heard it too. Sorry, Jason ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Sent: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:24:32 -0400 To: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com>,"E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. I have to ask, where did you get your information? are you sure you heard it right? 15 secs? There is NO WAY he beat his lap time of an E-36 by 15-17 seconds. Maybe hundreths, not seconds. If so, he would have been able to lap an entire club racing field, including B & D mod cars which is not going to happen with a stock E-46 M3, the mod cars have more power, weigh less etc. Also, if he drives an I prepared E-36, which I believe I have heard he does, it should easily beat a stock E-46 M3. Laws of physics come into play here. Given the power to weight ratio, the E-46 simply loses the game, PERIOD. I dont know how well his race car is set up, but if he is that much faster in a stock E-46, he needs to park the race car. Around here, Road Atlanta, Sebring etc, no STOCK production BMW maybe excluding the F1 can post lap times comparable to the prepared E-36 M3s. try 1:39 at road atlanta, best an E-46 M3 can do there might be 1:43 or so. I would in fact wager a NEW E-46 M3 on the outcome of a race. E-46M3 vs H prepared M3, winner gets new M3 free and clear. any takers? hehe. Mike ---- End Original Message ---- ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com
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#7. is 'EM DREI' on the list? - from kitwetzler@mindspring.com
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:46:47 -0400 From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: is 'EM DREI' on the list? I think it was a 97 lux, with at least swapped strut hats and euro lights, stock exhaust, but the car was pretty quick! :) made my morning commute a bit interesting. (and considerably shorter, time-wise, yet somehow less fuel efficient) -kit 97 m3/4 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Re: brakes. - from Andrew-Taylor Autosport
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:41:56 -0400 From: "Andrew-Taylor Autosport" <astaylor@taylorautosport.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: brakes. > Trivia question: name E36 bolts that genuinely are SAE sized. Seat belt hardware. 7/16 UNF.
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#9. Re: Long live the E36 M3 - from kitwetzler@mindspring.com
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:53:18 -0400 From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. I certainly wouldn't call Navid's E46 to a stock one. :) He has huge hoosiers on it, with an Advance Design Ground Control suspension, with camber plates, and the works. It's really fast. I could hang in a straight line (at Laguna Seca) but he lost me pretty quickly in turns. (I was on my 235/40r17 MXX3s) -kit 97 m3/4 w/ a bit o' boost -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:00:51 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 Also, Something that may contribute to the extended margin that others may be unaware of, Thunderhill is 3 miles from start line to start line. Mel > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:03:08 -0700 > From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> > Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > >So I guess the question that begs to be asked...Has the > >bar been raised or > >the ball been dropped? > > Well, if you go strictly on one car magazines comparo then > I guess you can think what you want. But here is some food > for thought. > > Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. I was at Thunderhilll in December when Navid was there with his E46 M3. The E46 was not stock - he had replaced the factory suspension with something more performance-oriented (and he had wider-than-stock, R-compound tires.) When I talked to him, he was only beating his E36 times by a second or so, but perhaps he's got his E46 times down since then. Regardless, I think the point of the original poster still stands: the reviews of the E46 tend to fault its soft suspension, and in that they may be right. - Bill ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:05:49 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 At 09:08 AM 5/10/02, Jason Sarich wrote: >Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared >E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his >laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. >He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- >California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time >of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. I don't think it was that much; 2:07 vs 2:09, maybe? (But then, I had just been "rolled-over" at that event, so my memory may be a bit fuzzy <g>). Oh, and his E46 M3 is nowhere near stock - suspension work & running on *wide* Hossiers. You can see a picture of the car, in autox trim, at: http://www.opentrackchallenge.com/profiles/team80.htm (also was on the cover of the SCCA national magazine recently) >Just my 0.02 cents. Hope it doesn't ruffle and feathers. Nah. I think the E36 M3 is better for one simple, biased, fact: Sedan <bfg>. My 2 cents, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - The Ultimate Grocery-Getter? (not that I get groceries, but you get the idea :-)) 1993 325is #44 KP - faster than the M3 at Laguna, we'll see about THill this weekend
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#12. Re: Long live the E36 M3 - from david tow
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:04:33 -0700 From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 It is already a compliment to see a M3 being compared with real sports cars such as the Ferrari and the Lotus. Our M3, afterall, is just a "best handling" sports sedan (or coupe). The recent trend of car making is disappointing to some of us who still believe that sporting cars should be small and light. Take a look at the Z8: it was made using the most exotic material in an attempt to make it light, yet the thing weights almost a ton. In addition, it is so big, and yet it's only a 2-seater. Yes, the latest cars are the safest, but car makers have the technology to make them light and safe too. Unfortunately our consumers these days are somewhat after "features", not substance. The car makers are glad to load the cars up with "features". Hey, money in the bank too. David _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
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#13. Re: [E36M3] RE: Pads and Rotors R&R this weekend - THANKS - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:09:06 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Pads and Rotors R&R this weekend - THANKS At 09:08 PM 5/9/02, Michael Kelley wrote: >You guys are just great.....Thanks to Matt, Ron, Jim, Marc, Rex, and Mike >for all the great advice and tips. Need to spend just a little bit more $$ >but feel certain that 9:00PM Saturday night won't catch me with the car >still on jackstands, wife PO'd, me still dirty and whacking rotors :-)) <snork> Yeah, good luck with that <bfg>. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - BTDT, many times 1993 325is #44 KP - took til 9:30PM last night to get ready the car that was "supposedly" all ready for this weekend